Russia was humiliated in WW1 and the Russo-Japanese war, and the demographics actually say something different. I don't understand why anyone is so forgiving for the tsars and that we all have to believe that communism is the worst, because it was not as long Stalin wasn't in power.
Russian advancement might have happened a lot faster if Brits (among several
others) had not interfered directly to hamper the efforts of the Bolsheviks. A
particularly nasty episode was the establishment of a British concentration camp
in Archangel in 1918. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41271418
So, anyone for concentration camps in the new expansion? Every civ can have
them!
Russian advancements where?
When the allies moved in there it was because Russia withdrew from the war and the British was worried about equipment in the area falling in the wrong hands
Russian advancements where?
When the allies moved in there it was because Russia withdrew from the war and the British was worried about equipment in the area falling in the wrong hands
I believe he's referring to social rather than military advances, but the North Russia Intervention in an essentially rural area of northern Russia during the civil war was of no consequence in that regard.
The British certainly had incentives beyond military considerations for moving against communism (although the "wrong hands" they had in mind certainly included Russian Bolshevik forces). The country was the most hostile to communism certainly of any in Europe at the time, and likely globally - I've read suggestions that British propaganda played a significant role in developing America's cultural aversion to communism, Britain at this stage still being the senior partner in the nascent trans-Atlantic relationship.
British leaders had been in perpetual fear of a revolution of some kind since the mainland monarchies began collapsing in the 19th Century, and as the most heavily industrialised nation in the world - and as such critically dependent on a large force of manual factory workers - British officials were very alert to any scent of Bolshevism. As late as the 1930s Britain remained passive and turned a blind eye to Hitler and Mussolini's support for fascist forces in Spain (to the surprise of both, one of whom remarked that they wouldn't get away with it if the British worked out what they were up to - in reality it was in British interests for them to succeed), since although Britain wasn't willing to officially support fascist forces itself it was in its interests to see Spanish communism suppressed.
OK last history note from me before I move to the history forum... The Bolsheviks controlled relatively little territory in 1918. It was an uphill climb. The British was a minor hindrance compared to the fact that almost all aspects of Russian society was not on their side.
I did love that BBC story. When in travelled in Communist Eastern Europe I remember so many "museums" just like that. It was very fascinating to see the fate of that one
I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but tomorrow doesn't seem too far-fetched. With 9 first looks to show off (8 new civs + the new alt leader) and as many weeks before release to upload them, I think there's a decent chance we get one tomorrow. Also consider how Christmas week might effect their uploading schedule. Though Christmas is on a Monday this year, Firaxis may very well block off the entirety of that following week for its employees. On top of that, I figure they'd want to be done with reveals by release week.
In any case, there's really not a lot of time to drag out their reveals.
I'm late to the party, and now there are 37 pages of discussion already. Oh well.
This expansion looks interesting, although it is hard to tell how a lot of these features are going to impact the game overall. It seems they may be trying to make the game more dynamic, making changes that will upset the balance of power throughout the game. This is a good thing. If it succeeds, perhaps I will no longer know who have won by the early medieval era.
I am also hopeful that the new loyalty mechanic will be effective in limiting and pacing expansion. Ideally, I hope that tall will be made feasible again, but even if it isn't, just having some mechanism which makes overextension a consideration will be an improvement on how things are currently.
I wonder how the new uses for coastal tiles will affect Indonesia's relative power level. Currently, most coastal tiles are fairly useless for most civilizations, unless you luck out and get Auckland. Indonesia is the one civ which can make great use of them, but that may no longer be the case in Rise and Fall.
Another thing I am hoping for is a UI and AI overhaul, although I am not terribly optimistic.
same here, i hate civ 5. I prefer a thousand times more civ 6 with it's ai, than the worst civ game ever: civ 5. I played civ 6 more 3 times more than civ 5, and it's still one year after the release of vanilla. Going wide is not viable in civ 5 (at least not for me).
If these were the olden days, I would be challenging you guys to a duel by now.
I loved Civ 5, and I loved playing tall. Perhaps the mechanisms they used for limiting expansion were not the best, and perhaps it went a bit too far in favor of tall, but at least both tall and wide were somewhat feasible. That's basically what I want. Both playstyles, and even something in between, should be viable. I am not asking you guys to "go play Risk or Monopoly" because you like wide, I want it to still be feasible. But there does need to be some restrictions in how fast and wide you can expand without getting into trouble. As it is currently, the optimal strategy is always to beat up your neighbors (which is extremely easy) in the ancient or classical era, and just cruise to victory.
I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but tomorrow doesn't seem too far-fetched. With 9 first looks to show off (8 new civs + the new alt leader) and as many weeks before release to upload them, I think there's a decent chance we get one tomorrow. Also consider how Christmas week might effect their uploading schedule. Though Christmas is on a Monday this year, Firaxis may very well block off the entirety of that following week for its employees. On top of that, I figure they'd want to be done with reveals by release week.
In any case, there's really not a lot of time to drag out their reveals.
On one hand, they may save most til nearer launch to double up in a week and generate more excitement building up to the launch. Otoh maybe some big names dropped now might get the pre-order in as a Xmas gift request.
With the expansion arriving in the beginning of February, I doubt anyone on the Civ team is getting Xmas week off. Though I'm sure a number will be working from laptops at their family houses or the like. It does seem like a bad week to drop a first look though, I agree.
It had a famous eruption in 2002 which unfortunately killed a lot of people. I think it's one of the most famous African volcanoes. Meanwhile, right now Agung is preparing itself for a medium to large eruption right now, so interesting times ahead. And in Iceland, a volcano that didn't erupt in 300 years is also preparing itself for an eruption / awakening / showing activity so our next Iceland natural wonder in civ VII may very well be Oraefajokull.
It had a famous eruption in 2002 which unfortunately killed a lot of people. I think it's one of the most famous African volcanoes. Meanwhile, right now Agung is preparing itself for a medium to large eruption right now, so interesting times ahead. And in Iceland, a volcano that didn't erupt in 300 years is also preparing itself for an eruption / awakening / showing activity so our next Iceland natural wonder in civ VII may very well be Oraefajokull.
I am supposed to travel to Bali next month but I am concerned that Mount Agung will keep the airport shut down. I love hiking Indonesia's volcanoes because they are beautiful, but the current situation is a reminder that Mother Nature rules at the end of the day - especially in the "archipelago of fire"
I am supposed to travel to Bali next month but I am concerned that Mount Agung will keep the airport shut down. I love hiking Indonesia's volcanoes because they are beautiful, but the current situation is a reminder that Mother Nature rules at the end of the day - especially in the "archipelago of fire"
Indonesia is a beautiful country with lots of volcanoes. I think I know several volcanoes like Toba, Maninjau, Ranau, (Anak-)Krakatau, Sinabung, Merapi, Kelud, Ijen, Batur, Agung, Rinjani/Samalas and Tambora. That's plenty of them. It has a violent past. Tambora caused a Year Without A Summer in 1816 and is the most explosive recent eruption (and it's situated so close to Agung). Rinjani (the direct neigbour) may very well be the largest eruption of the last 2000 years in 1257, plunged us into the little ice age (the trigger), stopped the Mongol expansion, and destroyed an entire Indonesian kingdom completely (it's called The Pompeii of the East). The other very large eruptions are an eruption of the Taupo Volcano in 260+-, Lake Ilopango (in El Salvador) around +- 535 (that caused extreme weather events and turmoil in the Mayan Empire), Paektusan (The Holy Mountain of North Korea) did erupt around +- 970. Eldgja also did erupt around then in Iceland (a flood basalt that lasted 6 years). Laki in Iceland in 1783 caused a very large magmatic eruption, possibly triggering the French Revolution due failing crops, and creating famine in India since monsoons were altered because of the volcano. Huaynaputina in Peru in 1600 or 1601 caused famine in Russia after a very large eruption. Krakatau was deadly, and had a notable effect on the climate too. Mount Mazama (or Crater Like in CIV VI) did erupt +- 10.000 years ago (not entirely sure about dating), creating the "crater lake". The largest eruption of the last 2 million years ago was Lake Toba, only 72.000 years ago, creating the human bottleneck generation (the reason why we have so few DNA variation compared to other animals, since the human race almost went extinct to the volcanic winter that did follow. Campi Flegrei may have played a role in the extinction of the Neanderthalers +- 39.000 years ago (although there are records that they were still walking around 30.000 years ago).
This is Tambora. It's crater looks nice (formed in 1815). In the winter that did follow, snow was being reported in the summer multiple times in both New England and Europe. To me, that sounds so hard to believe but it's called the Year Without A Summer for a reason, and recently we had a lot of Sahara Dust and Forest Fire Dust in England and Belgium that was being brought by us due Hurricane Ophelia (another unique thing...), that covered the sun for 1-2 days, lowering temperatures during those days with 5 degrees Celsius more than what they did expect (and on Twitter everyone was talking about the Red Sun or the eerie-looking outside world). When a volcano erupts in a very explosive way, the same must have happened but for a year or longer (together with changes in stratosphere / monsoons ... )
This is Toba Lake$
Unbelievable that this lake was generated by a single volcanic eruption. This lake contains more water than The Dead Sea. Most likely nothing in Indonesia must have been left alive, and the volcanic winter that followed on this eruption lasted according to models for 50 to 100 years.
And massive Siberian volcanism (flood basalts) may also be responsible for the Great Dying Event 250 million years ago, killing 96% of all animal species back then, paving the way for the Dinosaurs for world domination (although ecosystems only fully recovered 30 millions years later). This is known as the largest volcanic event known. There is even a theory that an asteroid did hit the antipole of Siberia back then (where Siberia was located), and created a mantleplume on the other pole, and analysis indeed uncover a possible large crater under the ice cap of Antarctica (most likely created 250 mya, and at the antipole of Siberia back then, and two and a half times larger than the Dino Asteroid Crater in Yucatan. They also tracked the mantleplume (since continental crusts move over time over hotspots and mantleplumes), and the mantleplume that created that mass-extinction event back then, is now located right under Iceland (responsible for the formation of Iceland and it's volcanism).
I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but tomorrow doesn't seem too far-fetched. With 9 first looks to show off (8 new civs + the new alt leader) and as many weeks before release to upload them, I think there's a decent chance we get one tomorrow. Also consider how Christmas week might effect their uploading schedule. Though Christmas is on a Monday this year, Firaxis may very well block off the entirety of that following week for its employees. On top of that, I figure they'd want to be done with reveals by release week.
In any case, there's really not a lot of time to drag out their reveals.
I doubt we will get first looks this week. The release is still some time away, and with the announcement of the expansion this week, they probably don't need to release anything until next week to keep the discussion going. I would love to be wrong, though. The first looks will hopefully reveal more details about the new features.
Do you guys think there is going to be any sort of secondary edition of R&F with some more stuff added in (like how I got the Digital Deluxe version of the base game) or anything like that?
Or maybe I should be asking: is there any reason for me to not just pre-purchase what is already on the Steam store right now?
Do you guys think there is going to be any sort of secondary edition of R&F with some more stuff added in (like how I got the Digital Deluxe version of the base game) or anything like that?
Or maybe I should be asking: is there any reason for me to not just pre-purchase what is already on the Steam store right now?
Nah. If they follow the Civ V model (which I think they've hinted they will), the days of individual DLC are over, and any future expansion will take the same form as Rise & Fall.
But also there doesn't seem to be any reason to pre-purchase: no discount, no preorder bonus. I'm going to wait until release.
It had a famous eruption in 2002 which unfortunately killed a lot of people. I think it's one of the most famous African volcanoes. Meanwhile, right now Agung is preparing itself for a medium to large eruption right now, so interesting times ahead. And in Iceland, a volcano that didn't erupt in 300 years is also preparing itself for an eruption / awakening / showing activity so our next Iceland natural wonder in civ VII may very well be Oraefajokull.
Well, going to nitpick a bit, but the Niyragongo didn't killed a lot of people, just a few hundred but it was more indirect casualties form collapsing buildings.
The city was half razed though, and there is nowadays a district called "Les Volcans" rebuilt upon the lava path.
Anw, back on topic: for me the biggest concern is still the AI: I'm no way a very good civ player, I think I got 150h in civ6 so far, but I can arguably tell that deity is a joke; my last Polish game, was toying around religion and playing supbar. Runaway AI can't even manage to get a space victory with more than 25 tech ahead! Entered the 5th in the Space and finished easily with the second having a least 1tech + 2modul to go.
As others have said, with more complexity, it's not going to better itself, rather the contrary!
I believe he's referring to social rather than military advances, but the North Russia Intervention in an essentially rural area of northern Russia during the civil war was of no consequence in that regard.
Yes, I was referring to social advancement, and that it might have occurred
faster if there wasn't interference from Britain, France and several other
countries. The effect might not have been of huge importance in the north,
but setting up a concentration camp there 100 years ago is an important
historical fact. Brits and others might like it forgotten, but it's remains are there
as a disgusting reminder to Russians.
Of course, Britain has been interfering or outright warring with a
lot of countries during the last few hundred years, and have also been on the
receiving end of horrors themselves. So have many other countries.
I love it when those self-same imperialists complain about Russian or other
interference in their politics these days. It bolsters my view that humans
really are hypocritical and repulsive en masse.
A nice touch in Civ would be a death count, to show players at what cost they
built their empire.
Moderator Action: OK time to get back on topic, if you want to discuss world history and politics please head over to our OT section where you will be warmly welcomed --NobleZarkon
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