[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

Not red. :p

After all, Rome and Germany are in the trailer, and they're already in the game;

Maybe it's a hint that either Rome or Germany are getting an alt-leader? Vespasian or Helmut Kohl? :p
 
I'm positive that Dutch civ fans will embrace Wihelmina as a capable, interesting leader for Netherlands and a new fresh face for the series.

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Haha just kidding, there will be nerd tears, walls of text telling why she's awful choice, complain about not being attractive enough "unlike the real dutch girls" etc.
 
Why did Australia stole the Dutch colors anyways? :p Are orange and white relevant colors in Australia?
 
Orange background, black symbol?
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Like a Jack-o-lantern?
 
Here are some screenshots from the blog post on the official website:

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The red stuff in the tundra could be part of a forest fire event, like in this mod of Infixo.
 
Here are some screenshots from the blog post on the official website:


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What could be this desert/coast building on the right side?
 
Why did Australia stole the Dutch colors anyways? :p Are orange and white relevant colors in Australia?

Honestly some of the color choices for VI seem a bit questionable. I'm not sure why they chose to invert Egypt's scheme for instance--Rome was yellow-on-purple in V, while Egypt was purple-on-yellow. No issue there. So obviously the correct thing to do in the next game is to keep Rome yellow-on-purple.. and then make Egypt ALSO yellow-on-purple? Then Norway/Indonesia/Korea all sharing the same colors in VI even though Indonesia had a different scheme in V with Gajah Mada, who was contemporaneous with Gitarja. I get swapping colors to make them more historically accurate, and if Korea ends up using something more akin to the yellow and red in its older flags that would make sense, but the changes from V seem somewhat arbitrary and nonsensical. Australia "stealing" Netherland's colors is another thing, but I can understand changing Netherland's colors at least if it's a different leader than, say, William of Orange.
 
What could be this desert/coast building on the right side?

It's likely to be a new World Wonder. Some people thought it was a Portuguese feitoria. Others a Swahili palace.
 
I'm having flashbacks to the first 10 pages of the Screenshot Analysis thread. :lol:
 
It's likely to be a new World Wonder. Some people thought it was a Portuguese feitoria. Others a Swahili palace.

It could be something from the Sultanate of Oman. It is oman architecture, I guess.
 
Why did Australia stole the Dutch colors anyways? :p Are orange and white relevant colors in Australia?
To me it looks more golden than orange. If they use the same Icon I would expect a brighter version of Orange and maybe make the lion yellow, since that is the color I see on all the various coat of arms.
 
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I hope we get a new leader for England. Oliver Cromwell!
Ugh. God forbid. :p If we get a male leader for England, let it be Henry V.
 
*Cough* Alfred the Great *Cough* :p
I want him very badly, but I want him given the Alexander treatment, leading the Kingdom of Wessex. ;)
 
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