Role Play Challenge: Gandhi the Pacifist

[TheMeInTeam]

It's actually unlikely to happen until astronomy - the AI isn't known for spreading across countries with caravels. In that case you might even want to delay astro for a while, unless you meet lincoln and find he's got a religion in ALL of his cities already.

A note: Shame on you for building the AP in the dominant religion when you had a choice . If you'd built it in christianity or another less-popular religion, you'd have kept the hammers and votes to yourself, able to distribute at needed to the AI's.

Otherwise just hope darius/liz go FR - they'll be less likely to vote for the remaining AIs still in the religion.

 

[madscientist]

Perhaps you are right there, but does not feel right wiht the RPC rules. We spent the time converting to our faith, Gandhi does not want to screw with his new friends. In fatc, he doesn't want ANY chance of getting the heathen religion penalty in diplomacy even if for 5 turns. Defending teh capital with a warrior the entire game leaves me little, conservative.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don't see how it goes against any of your rules. It's a diplomatic tactic, Gandhi's forte . You're right about the 1 warrior/city factor though, that's 5 turns of sweat!

Besides, Gandhi founded several faiths, and he may have wished to honor a less popular one by using it for his protection .

Anyway, it's moot now. Try to delay Astro until the AIs get liberalism and switch out!

 

[madscientist]

Gandhi the Pacifist: Part III

Well, these peaceful RPC games seam to move along VERY fast! Went pretty far tonight, and I am expecting to finish this up at the next sitting, unless of course we get attacked!

But do not fear, Gandhi was truely showed the world the ways of peace!

To start we make a few trades

I don't care at along about the military, but I do care about teh techs.

Techpath was very simple: Education/Liberalism, then a long period of 100% culture, then we switched to consitution/democracy during a Golden Age, and swapped back.

We popped another Great Prophet so we used both for

We continued to make trades, I will not bore you with them.

We did finish

We also got a Great Scientist which we used for an academy in Bombay.

We finally got

We took Printing Press so as to help the maturing cottages.

We bolted to free speech and ramped to 100% culture.

Nopte we have 6 cities now, more on that later.

And here is the first of our culture flipped cities.

I kept them because we can afford them and it's another city for a temple.

We also gifted this tech to Darius

Which successfully got him to Free Religion. Still only pleased but definitely safer.

We got this request which we honored for 5 turns then switched back to pacifism.

We then culture flipped another city.

And we finally meet

He's behind in tech, so I gifted fuedalism which got him to pleased. we then opened borders and we converted one city of his to Judaism.

We then popped another GP we did not want. We actually only got ONE Great Artist teh entire segment.

Well, we start a golden Age with 2 GPs and decide to tech constitution and democracy, not for happiness or the SoL but because Universal Sufferage is Fred's favorite civic, and emancipation is ABe's (if he ever get's that far.

And you cna see we are moving along in culture.

We flip another city

This one is very useful as it's the first Confuscian city we got. Hopefully I can get a monestary and some temples before the game ends!

Speaking of which, we are essentially building temples/monestaries/catherdrals aplenty. we also got nationalism in a trade which allowed us to get the Hermitage in Bombay.

We also got this random event

WOW, 4 free knights just what we wanted. I sent one to each civilization and gifted them.

After democracy we adjust our civics

And stupidly realized we did not need to shift out of Caste system. We switch back in 5 turns.

Here you can see how many turns are left for legondary status, and the fact that we have 9 cities now! Each city can now get a catherdral for each religion!

We popped another city, and we are very close to flipping Susa, Darius' #3 city.

We saved here

Land

Cities

And Victory conditions

OK, I am just plodding along the cultural path, but with our popularity and Liz in Free Religion we still have a chance at the AP Diplo win, if the damned election would ever come up.

 

[harusame]

uhm i would play, but WHY FORBID SLAVERY?
especially with all those floodplains

 

[ranion]

you still have quite a ways to go to hit legendary with all 3 if thats your goal, i hope you can keep the world in love with you long enough to manage it, either that or get the ap elections up soon... maybe you need to spread the word of judaism a bit more, and or get those extra religions flourishing in your empire to speed up the culture push

 

[molson]

well i played a shadow game ( almost didnt since every time i see no slavery in rules, im out) and managed to win in 1820 AD, UN elected Diplo-win. I wasnt smart with the AP since i built it under Hinduism which i had spread for cash in about every possible city of the continent.

I had a different strategy than the prevous shadow game and Mad's game with back-to-back-to-back wonders before massive settler spawning. Stonehedge, GW, Oracle. After that, i built cities to cut off my neibourghs, way down south and way east. Ended up with 12 cities, with on being flipped and one build on an island near Egypt.

A few intersting facts about this game though:

-not a single war across the entire globe (unless egypt and america fought before i met them)
-i managed to build a massive number of wonder despite not being able to slave and limited productive cities, got all the late wonder.

-but the amazing thing about this game , despite a later finish, was my score:

an all-time high of 402579 points!!!!!!!

 

[PimpyMicPimp]

uhm i would play, but WHY FORBID SLAVERY?
especially with all those floodplains

Somehow, Ghandi cracking the whip doesn't seem to fit into this RPC...

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Somehow, Ghandi cracking the whip doesn't seem to fit into this RPC...

One day there will be a "ghandi the death god" RPC. Slavery and Nationhood will be requirements.

This is not to be confused with "ghandi the wonder turtle that will NUKE you to death at the end".

 

[madscientist]

One day there will be a "ghandi the death god" RPC. Slavery and Nationhood will be requirements.

This is not to be confused with "ghandi the wonder turtle that will NUKE you to death at the end".

Believe me, I strongly considered Gandhi the Grim Reaper. Fear anyone who confront the Mahatma! But in the end I figured we needed some peaceful RPCs to balance games out and show how to place peacefully!

 

[sanjay_111]

Fear anyone who confront the Mahatma!

I am an Indian and intrigued by this comment (and by the way, I ONLY play pacifist Gandhi). Why should anyone have to fear the Mahatma ?!

 

[NintendoTogepi]

Believe me, I strongly considered Gandhi the Grim Reaper. Fear anyone who confront the Mahatma! But in the end I figured we needed some peaceful RPCs to balance games out and show how to place peacefully!

I was actually wondering whether you would do "War Gandhi" or the much more true to life "Pacifist Gandhi".

Frankly I'm glad to have the pacifist game for once, but War Gandhi is a funny idea.

Also nice going on the game. I just played a OCC as Gandhi, one of the most interesting games I've ever played. I was DoW'd on by four of the six AIs over the course of the game! And by the time the game ended, I was Pleased with 4 of the people who had DoW'd on me! I even got two of them up to Friendly for a while! Furious to Friendly...

 

[bestje]

@ Sanjay: For these RPCs either they are as Mad is doing quite similar to the real leader or they are playing as an opposite

@NT: OCC and declared on 4 times! pretty good going to survive IMO, did you manage to win? There isn't a diplo penalty for being DoWed on so once the war ends they will be back to cautious

@Harusame you don't need to use slavery to win, it just means its a bit more difficult

@Mad: don't want to speak too soon but the diplo looks like its going well, most of those AIs won't DoW at pleased regardless of how weak you are and the culture is a third of the way there

 

[NintendoTogepi]

@NT: OCC and declared on 4 times! pretty good going to survive IMO, did you manage to win? There isn't a diplo penalty for being DoWed on so once the war ends they will be back to cautious

Actually, about 7 or 8 times, it was 4 leaders that did it

1. Suleiman (DoW'd on me...I think twice, was the game leader and also Pleased with me at the end)

2. Hannibal (DoW'd on me...twice as well. Pleased with me at the end. He and Suleiman were always fighting, and they both DoW'd on me on the same turn in the early game)

3. Tokugawa (DoW'd on me twice too towards the Industrial era I got him Friendly as we were both the same religion and I was running Mercantilism, he was Pleased at the end, with a defensive pact with me, he was free religion and running Environmentalism though)

4. Justinian (DoW'd on me once...towards the Renaissance and Industrial era I switched from the Buddhism I founded and that me and Charlemagne were in, to his Hinduism that he founded and that he and Tokugawa were in. I was also in Theocracy quite a bit whenever I was building units so that got him Friendly. Towards end I switched to Pacifism which dropped him to Pleased, and then after I launched my spaceship I changed to Buddhism for aestehic purposes, which brought him down to Cautious...heh, Cautious with a Defensive pact!)

I got a spaceship victory, all of the petty bickering had left some of the AIs weak, and several of them suddenly shifted to culture at the end. (they could have possibly won a space race, but for some reason they switched to culture which they had no chance of winning)

Twas a fun game although the constant risk of DoW was quite threatening! Fortunately the AI sucks at invading.

 

[madscientist]

Fear anyone who confront the Mahatma!

I am an Indian and intrigued by this comment (and by the way, I ONLY play pacifist Gandhi). Why should anyone have to fear the Mahatma ?!

I hope I did not offend you, I meant none! I tend to add alot of variety to my games, in victory conditions/economy types/leaders characteristics/CIV charateristics. I also tend to have interesting historic twists to certain leaders, such as Shaka getting a Cultural win (OK, he killed two leaders first) or ASoka getting a domination win in a bllod-thirsty game. I don't take all this too seriously, as you can tell if you look at my Washington RPC. I am American and Washington is my greatest historic hero, yet the game I played certainly had him rolling over in his grave

Regarding the Mahatma line, it is actually from an American TV show called "Celebrity Deathmatch". It's a claymation animated 30 minute show that had famouse celebrities fighting each other to the death in a wretling ring. Examples, Sylvester Stallone vs. Arnold Swartzanagger, or my favorite Dolly PArton vs Jon-Lo . They brought in a time machine once and brought back Ganghis Khan and Gandhi to fight each other. Gandhi turned into a fighting monster wrecking everything in site, standing on the ring ropes screaming something like "You want a piece of the Mahatma!". Of course the show characters realized there was a glitch in the machine switching personalities of the two individuals. But I just always have a view of Gandhi going crazy like that! As you can see, I take none of this seriously!

I actually consider Gandhi a pretty strong war-monger because of his starting traits and techs. I am still considering a war-monger Gandhi RPC right after this one, but nor sure if that would be just another Asoka game. But then again what's the problem with another rampaging Indian madman!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Fear anyone who confront the Mahatma!

I am an Indian and intrigued by this comment (and by the way, I ONLY play pacifist Gandhi). Why should anyone have to fear the Mahatma ?!

Basically, we're joking around about taking a leader and intentionally playing him out of context. An example would be playing Stalin as a really, really nice guy, or taking someone like Gandhi and playing him like an evil warmonger. Those are probably the most extreme examples I can think of.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

Basically, we're joking around about taking a leader and intentionally playing him out of context. An example would be playing Stalin as a really, really nice guy, or taking someone like Gandhi and playing him like an evil warmonger. Those are probably the most extreme examples I can think of.

I LOVE Pacifist Stalin I play that all the time. Okay, usually not entirely pacifist, I usually use Aggressive for a quick axe rush but after that it's pacifism, peace and niceness all the way.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I LOVE Pacifist Stalin I play that all the time. Okay, usually not entirely pacifist, I usually use Aggressive for a quick axe rush but after that it's pacifism, peace and niceness all the way.

How do you manage that?! With those cheap forges and his aggressive trait I keep wanting more and more hammers in units . It takes discipline to avoid turning into the 2nd coming of Shaka with him, at least for me!

 

[NintendoTogepi]

How do you manage that?! With those cheap forges and his aggressive trait I keep wanting more and more hammers in units . It takes discipline to avoid turning into the 2nd coming of Shaka with him, at least for me!

Industrious is used for my beloved wonderspam, and Aggressive (after the axe rush) is used so that my defensive units may be more powerful. '

It works quite well, I have won many Culture and Space Race victories as Peaceful Stalin.

 

[sanjay_111]

I hope I did not offend you, I meant none! !

No question of offense whatsoever. I was only curious and thought you knew something which showed the Mahatma as an aggressive man in reality. Now I understand it was some sort of reverse role play.

PS: My fav leader of all time and all places (in reality, not in civ game) is Lincoln !