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Role Play Challenge: Gandhi the War-Monger

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by madscientist, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. bestje

    bestje Big Game Hunter

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    because of all the fighting the tech pace in general has been quite slow, there is a good chance no one will be able to get a spaceship off before the end so culture is possible.
    the problem is it requires you to stop building units and build cultural buildings.

    having a lot of religions means it is doable though

    I would probably take out that aggressive neighbour of yours with jumbos, either way this would be helpful, its a bit more land and one less threat in the world
     
  2. futurehermit

    futurehermit Deity

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    gandhi the war-monger wins a cultural victory? :rolleyes:

    keep the war machine rolling and try to pump up the diplomacy ;)
     
  3. DMOC

    DMOC Mathematician

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    Whoa, this is really interesting. Could you post a screenshot of the foreign adviser just to see who is warring who?

    By the way, don't switch into serfdom, just stay in slavery and whip a worker every 2 turns.
     
  4. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Not a war-monger by choice!!!!
     
  5. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Remember it's marathon speed, so I get 30 unhappy turns for every whip.

    Serfdom is run right now mostly for saving money while making improvements faster. We are spiritual and can swap to slavery for 5 turns when we are ready to whip.
     
  6. bestje

    bestje Big Game Hunter

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    sensible strategy when spiritual is to be in slavery only when needed.
    minimises slave revolts and civic upkeep costs
     
  7. BalbanesBeoulve

    BalbanesBeoulve Emperor

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    Go for domination.
     
  8. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Well, complete failure! An inglorious ending to a string of great RPCs after the Louis loss. Just to review

    Stalin's Iron Fist
    The English Bulldog
    REXing Cathy 1
    REXing Cathy 2
    FDR's Dream
    Drunken Vikings
    Gandhi the Pacifist

    And he should have stayed there.

    I played it out to the bitter last longbow, the miserable recap to follow.
     
  9. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Gandhi the not so great War-Monger: END!

    Just forget the techpath, do not go there. Suffice to say we did fairly well by the end, unloading alot for backfill. Unfortunately we did not have enough military nor the tech elad over trouble.

    We start bu getting a GS



    Which we use to bulb Philosphy.

    We traded it as much as we could, trying to head down the Machinery path



    Soon we got dogpiled pretty well from two fronts



    Al from the ast and Khan from the north. Still we held our own



    Our last offense was to temporarily capture a Mongol city, only to be forced into retreat soon after



    Now it looked like Napolean and Cathy could be allies, but they went to war against each other! One of the problems of agressive AI, they never get along with each other.!

    A view of the complicated world



    Now, while we are fighting Khan and AL, notice that lone Zulu unit there



    Yes, well that is in fact a large stack and next.



    Hmmm, not good. We ship all longbows to the front cities making a last attempt to keep what is ours (or at least what was taken from Sury).

    Which went over real well



    We managed to get peace from Al, shaka took a little longer.

    Howver, we got this visit.



    We then lost a key Indian city to Shaka.



    And another city to sal.



    We managed peace for a bit here and turtled into our three cities



    Teching away, hoping to be forgotten.

    Unfortunately we were not!



    And a full view of the Indian DogPile



    And here is a final view of our last city, defended by a mere crippled longbow.



    Hey Shaka, how about peace now



    I guess not!

    I have included the save just before then end in case anyone wants to commetns on the status of the world. This is the third RPC that has come to an end at the hands of Shaka (Peter I and Charlemagne I).

    Well, it was a bonus RPC, Gandhi did prove himself the pacifist extreme in the previous game.

    No recap here, not much to say

    The RPC rules were simple, we did not survive.

    Why we lost, perhaps we should have taken our Hannibal earlier like the shadowed game. But still, all these assorted thugs and maniacs were just too tough.

    As a poster said once before, I gotta lose some of these RPCs once in a while to keep me honest!

    I'll decide on the nest RPC later today.
     
  10. bestje

    bestje Big Game Hunter

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    Unlucky, sounds like Gandhi would have been better off keeping Genghis' personality
    That looks like some dogpile, basically all your neighbours at once.... ouch. Hammurabi and Hannibal were pleased with you as well
     
  11. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    Gandhi should stick to pacifism, that's where he does best! :)

    Still, good try I suppose.
     
  12. oyzar

    oyzar Have quit civ/forums

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    I can't help but feel that at this leader with such a powerful leader the game could have be handled vastly different to a win...
     
  13. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Er, not sure what you mean here.

    Could I have played this map/game better and won? You bet I could have:D

    That Gandhi is such a powerful leader? I agree although I think Asoka the stronger of the Indians.
     
  14. oyzar

    oyzar Have quit civ/forums

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    Philo is arguably more powerful than organized and even way more synergistic with spiritual and as that is the only difference between the leaders you will find very few that agree with you... Afaik alot of top players have Ghandi as one of their best leaders, although he might have been better before GA's in bts nerfed spiritual and strengthening of GA's in general in bts as well as really slowing down of AI's(waaay less bonuses) compared to warlords decreased the power of light bulbing and "pure SE".
     
  15. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    I know few agree with me, I still think Asoka is the better of the two leaders.
     
  16. sanjay_111

    sanjay_111 Warlord

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    MadSc,

    I followed this and earlier pacifist Role Play of yours with great interest. I only play as Gandhi, pacifist. That is not for any reason other than the fact I get rather less time for gaming and have not been able to develop other styles.

    I tried warmongering earlier with different leaders. I always felt that you MUST have a strong UU for warmongering. Both Praets and Keshiks were very powerful and I loved them when I played warmonger as respective leaders. I really believe that at monarch and above (maybe even prince) the ending would usually be similar to what you got if you play Gandhi the warmonger.

    But very interesting game. I really admire your nerve in taking on so many enemies.

    Sanjay
     
  17. bestje

    bestje Big Game Hunter

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    the other problem with Gandhi is he is at a relative disadvantage at marathon speed
    his UU is at its best on quick where it makes a much larger difference.

    However you can warmonger successfully with any leader at any time and Gandhi's traits aren't weak for war, he is able to quickly adjust his civics between peace and war ones and Phi allows a strong SE game
     
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  19. clockworkspider

    clockworkspider Chieftain

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    :rotfl:

    That was a great spoof!

    Anyways, too bad how "hawk" Gandhi turned out. Are you going to try again later?
     
  20. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Probably not. Gandhi already won the Pacifist RPC and this one was just a bonus game. I think Asoka's game certainly held the honor of the Indian peoples war-Mongering abilities though!
     

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