Role Play Challenge: Pollution Bull

[madscientist]

Pollution Bull: Part IV

Moving right along with a rather peaceful game. A big surprise considering our neighbors! Do not fear, a look at the segment near the end will any ideas of a pacifists Native American game!

First of all, the techpath!: Math/Construction/Monotheism/Code of Laws and started Calendar.

Once again you sort of see where I am going here!

First we used our Dogs with a few added Swordsmen to capture the last of our desired Barbarian.

That was the last city we added. Buddhist shrine or not, our economy is stretching quite a bit. We got a little more gold whipping a few walls at 1 turn left for gold overflow.

We also finished scoping out our continent

Looks like Shaka has about as mush lands as us, while Napolean is in a whole although he has wonderspammed quite a bit.

We met another AI, yet another Hindu AND techer.

Well, two financial techers are Hindu brothers while us war-mongers are Buddhists. Let's see which will win out!

We then start making some trades

Yes, so generosity to the Hindu slime but we need the cash and really want to get those religious techs as we have a Prophet sitting in the capital waiting to bulb theology.

And once we researched Monotheism.

And lo and behold......

So we founded Christianity, and notice that it went into Monty's old capital for a double Holy city! I quickly added a priest specialist to the 2 Scientists in the capital, hoping to pop out just one more Prophet.

We adjusted Civics although I wish I had waited 1 or 2 turns. My initial idea was to start mass chopping CR II cats, CR II Swords, and Flanking II HAs.

And since we founded Christianity you can see we have a Monopoly on the tech

SInce I have an urgent plan I decided to have a theology fire sale.

Currency provided a very big boost allowing us to tech Code of Laws faster and Spam even more military. We also got the next GP

So we shrined Christianity also, then started building a MArket in the double Holy City.

And as you can see, we have been massing some troops on the Zulu fronteir.

We saved here after on more trade

Which showed us that

Shaka is doing worse than us and does NOT have HBR to damage out catapults.

And the Power numbers

SO the Native Americans are set!

Pollution is ready to extract vengence on Shaka in the name of past failed RPCs!

Many more units will be on the way soon as we continue to chop every remaining forrest, and we have ALOT since old Polllution Bull was focusing on tile improvements first!

My plan is to make a path directly AT the Zulu capital, taking 2 cities first and severely crippling him. The key is to keep Napolean from attacking our southern flank!

Once the Zulu are gone, we can wipe out the French, rebuild the economy, and trash the environment!

 

[PaulisKhan]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


(seal of approval)

 

[Stewie0416]

I expect blood Madscientist, I EXPECT BLOOD!

 

[Joshua368]

Probably should trade away Code of Laws and maybe Mono for Metal Casting before the war, don't you think?

 

[assass1n]

Yeah I think get MC out of Shaka before killing him off

 

[cripp7]

There will be BLOOD!!

 

[Kev]

If you can get MC for COL and Mono then by all means. Likely not going to happen. I would not trade HBR to Shaka before the war with the risk of of seeing HA coming at me. We know he has horses and would likely have chariots around he could upgrade on the cheap. Perhaps he might part with the tech after you've beaten him down a few pegs.

I would suggest selling Mono for his cash. It means he has less or none for upgrades or bribing Napster. Seems he won't have techs to offer the Frenchman either.

I know that you have the Buddhist shrine and all that, but would you consider going Hindu if the opportunity arises? Seems you'll be at war with the other Buddhists anyway, and it would be helpful to trade with the big techers. Perhaps you'll wait until after your Shaka beat down to help ensure that Nap won't attack (not that this has helped before).

 

[madscientist]

If you can get MC for COL and Mono then by all means. Likely not going to happen. I would not trade HBR to Shaka before the war with the risk of of seeing HA coming at me. We know he has horses and would likely have chariots around he could upgrade on the cheap. Perhaps he might part with the tech after you've beaten him down a few pegs.

I would suggest selling Mono for his cash. It means he has less or none for upgrades or bribing Napster. Seems he won't have techs to offer the Frenchman either.

I know that you have the Buddhist shrine and all that, but would you consider going Hindu if the opportunity arises? Seems you'll be at war with the other Buddhists anyway, and it would be helpful to trade with the big techers. Perhaps you'll wait until after your Shaka beat down to help ensure that Nap won't attack (not that this has helped before).

I guess this sums up most posts, so I will respond here to all comments

I do not think Chariots can be upgraded to HAs.

Adopting Hinduism may eb an option later, but right now I think I need that second promotion from Theocracy to deal with the Agressive Shaka and the Charismatic Napolean.

I have no problem with trading with Shaka, but I am not sure that extra 10 turns of forced peace is worth it. On one hand I can built a stronger army, on the other hand so can Shaka.

Depends on whether the kids finish their projects this afternoon or tonight as to whether I play this out today or tomorrow.

 

[Joshua368]

I have no problem with trading with Shaka, but I am not sure that extra 10 turns of forced peace is worth it. On one hand I can built a stronger army, on the other hand so can Shaka.

There is only forced peace if you demand or beg something for free and they accept. (or vice versa) Regular trades don't create treaties, you can declare on the very same turn.

 

[bestje]

chariots can't be upgraded to HAs
My suggestion would be bribing shaka to war with someone else, diverts his troops and the mutual struggle bonus will wipe out the backstab penalty

are you sure trading gives a ten turn can't declare, i thought that was just for demands/gifts. i think the exception might be open borders but i'm not sure

 

[madscientist]

Pollution Bull: Part V

I decided to move along with the war real fast. I tried to get metal casting for CoL and Monotheims but Shaka would not take it and wanted HBR. No good there, but we did get this

And we certainly could use the gold.

We then marched our army towards the border and called on our good Zulu friend

YOU SHALL PAY SHAKA!!! This is for Charlemagne, and Peter, and Gandhi, and other RPCs I can no longer remain. If we lose this RPC it will NOT be because of this guy.

Meanwhile we used our Great Prophet for

Too bad we cannot also build a grocer in the double holy city!

Anyway, back to the war. We took the closest Zulu city.

We did an excellent of conserving catapults, losing maybe 2 the entire segment.

Now in our empire we concentrated on only 2 things. Building military (chopping ALOT) and whipping courthouses as we could. We still ran into some serious economical problems.

But Sitting Bull does not want to hear about health or Gold, he wants results! So we sent out stack off to Shaka's #2 city.

Shaka wasted alot of good units attacking that stack on a hill! Cut his power doen a good amount.

At this point Shaka has taken a good hit on Power.

As the treasury looked real bad (we had NO courthouses yet) we bummed 200 gold from our friend Napolean and changed civics to gain us 2 turns from losing gold

We then got a random event to improve relations with the French.

Although rather tedious, I plan to show EVERY SCREENSHOT from every conquered Zulu city.

We took another city

Which happens to be Shaka's lone metal source on the continent although he may have some off-shore. What he does have is war elephants, but our initial damage is too severe for him to recover.

I was then surprised to get Pacal cautious and willing to make a trade.

Heritary Rule goes a long way, and who does not like the King of the Native Americans!

So we took another cirty, claiming alot of dye.

AT this point we regrouped, healed and caught our breathe. Meanwhile we got another Great General which we used for a supermedic Horse Archer.

Another look at the power numbers

Shaka is not a dead fish and our power is keeping the other AIs in line. Not bad considering teh world has longbows while we still have archers!

AFter healing we started up our Stack of Doom again, this time for a direct assault on the Zulu capital.

Shaka had just finished the Mauseleum in the capital for us, what a guy!

We also took the coastal city.

One thing to note, Shaka has at least 1 off-shore city making eliminating him rather difficult at this time.

Of course this did NOT stop us from claiming more Zulu lands.

To Be Continued...............

 

[madscientist]

Pollution Bull: Part V conitnued

KABOOM!!

And tacitus came arround to declare the baddest leader on the earth

THAT is what I like to see!!!

After finially finishing Fuedalism (by the way, that was our entire techpath) we opted for an obscene amount of XP

And we finally brought Shaka to the negotiation table.

Machinery and a vassal for peace! You bet, and we have a very efficient war-monger at our side! It also keeps three Zulu cities on teh French Border, thus Napolean has to go through Shaka to get to us. By the way, Napolean has enough on his hands and is the worse enemy of Darius.

The funniest thing though was immediately after getting epace with Shaka, we met the last leader.

Sure what the hell. Another War-Monger for us to deal with!

Looking at the map

THAT is a good amount of land, and we have done a good job of cutting down forrests to the north. The south has plenty of production for the Native American Axes, we just need many more workers to completely deforrest the area.

Looking at Techs

Not as bad as I feared, and noone has education YET!. Perhaps we can pop a GS to bulb it if we can ever stop whipping our population away.

And a look at victory conditions.

Pacal is not slouch in this game!

So here we are!

My plan right now is to make nice with Napolean. Keep the military WAY up (CG III longbows baby!). Remove all vegetation, and start looking to tech to space! We may get involved in some wars later, but we need to recover the economy before we can Start Polluting Native America!

One last point. I decided to enter world builder and eliminated any graneries from conquered Zulu lands. Stupid concept, just eat the damned food and the hell with tomorrow!

 

[Shadowcrow]

Wow, that's quite a few cities. Maybe you should start spread Christianity and Buddhism across the empire to help your economy out a bit.

 

[Stewie0416]

Oh.....my......GOD......was that a stack of 30 troops in 450 AD!!!HOW DID you do that!! Jeez i barely get 15 troops. Nice job mad! This is why you're me favorite!! Always entertaining and destructive! I wanted blood. I got it!

 

[madscientist]

Pollution Bull: Part VI

A rather long and dull segment here. Just re-establishing ourselves in the economy and making a decision how to approach the rest of the game. Some of my ideas on this at the end.

To start, the techpath went: Civil Service/Paper/Education (mostly bulbed)/Philosophy/Guilds/Banking/Economics/Liberalism/Gunpowder/ most of Printing Press.

We started by maing a trade with Ragnar.

When possible we trade with the Vikings and Zulu first. The Napolean and finally PAcal. We kept the Tech leader Darius out of loop.

Here is a good view of our remaining Army as well as the GS we used to bulb education.

Once we got education we saw we did not have a monopoly on it.

Rather than trade it away, we found other ways to get some tech backfilling.

There was a minor war between Ragnmar and DArius which did not stop us from trading with the Vikings.

we did manage to get a map showing the world on the other side.

Ragnar/Darius/Pacal all on the same continent. Yes we will continue to trade military techs to Ragnar.

But we still traded with our Buddhist Brothers.

And still Ragnar

And back to Shaka

So by trading with the weaker tech Ais we managed to catch up with the 2 tech leaders.

To further catchup we used the next GP

For a Golden Age (remember we get 24 turns coutesy of Shaka building the Mausoleum), and adjusted civics.

The capital is a strict GP farm so Bureacracy is rather useless. Fuedalism to clear out alot of the forrests/jungle in Shaka's old lands, and Free Market for the extra trade route.

We managed another great trade with Ragnar

Once we teched Liberalism and adopted FS and FR. At the end of the Golder Age we onc emore adjusted civics

Back to theocracy to get Napolean Pleased and build some stronger military.

We saved here, on the verge of finishing Printing Press.

Techs

Power

Demographics

Religion

And a view of our cities

Most are without Forrests/jungles now and you can see unhealthiness is starting to rear it's ugly head. Also beakers are pretty much obtained from all cities with none really a scienc epowerhouse.

So a few questions/comments

1) Do we move and take out Napolean? I can pop out a dozen or so trebs and smash him pretty fast. My guess is he is a problem before the end of the game.

2) I am planning on a space Race win to really play up the pollution angle as mush as possible.

3) What is everyone's opinion on the food corps? That fit in with the RPC or whould we adopt State Property when we get communism?

 

[assass1n]

You can keep your citizens unhealthy but you can't deny food can you ?
Go Sushi you still can't grow your cities big enough

 

[AlejDuke]

Kremlin might be a good investment if you wish to whip away the sick people.

 

[Killroyan]

Nappy looks way to clean and well shaven to stay alive. Come on, you are a dirty bull. A nice smelling Frenchman is like a red cloth on you. Smash, crash, maim. Can I get a second vasal??? Say Amen!!!

Food corps are fun. Abundance of food in your cities but they they are still small because of the unhealthy. It will be cool to see how much unhealthiness you can cause in a city.

When I saw the screenshot from the other continent I was like Holy smokes Darius is big. Mad is screwed. Then I realised half was Darius and the other half Pacal. Damn those colors.

 

[Capellan]

Napoleon: Kill him or make him a vassal, but don't tolerate an enemy on your own continent.

Corps: State Property all the way. If you allow private individuals to own land, they might do something weird with it, like plant trees!

 

[Killroyan]

Nonono, We want corps. We want to see as much pollution as possible so cities need to be big. Boooh to state property!!! Way too clean.