RT-01 Triadic Warfare

[Rex Tyrannus]

But what do you want, K? Peace, war, or french fries?

 

[Kikinit]

Rex, I would go for french fries but my wife says that I've got to diet. So let's take the war option instead. We've got to eliminate Asoka as we can't declare again.

EDIT: I just actually read your turns and I've changed my minds. We need to sue for peace now. We'll just have to deal with the yearning for the homeland anger. We need to keep researching and with WW where it is we are going to fall behind too much.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

To be clear, a good bit or our 0% and still losing money is due to our massive expansion. That should come under control a bit. Right before I took Calcutta, we were at -35/turn. But Calcutta's Versailles gave us about 15/turn. Have we built the Forbidden Palace yet?

A few more courthouses, some banks, and peace will see us shoot up, I think. But yes, we yearn for our homeland disease will probably mean about three or four angry in each of those cities.

We can declare against Asoka again, if we need to. It'd just waste one more declaration. At this point, we have nothing to gain from more territory. Yes, we'll want to save at least one war for late game if Mansa or HC starts building spaceship parts. (I just realized that I've never left HC alive to reach late game. What's he like? Aggressive, financial could be quite formidable.)

What might be really cool is to wait until Asoka gets into a defensive pact and declare on his pact-buddy. Will AI sign a DP with a weak civ?

Either way, my vote is to make peace before we start striking. Then take all those red-shirts in the capital and make priests out of them. Get us a prophet and a Budhist shrine. Then spam missionaries while building infrastructure.

But still keep soldiers coming. Dedicate two cities (probably) for military only builds.

Let's have more votes.

Edit: Oh, and K. You're up next. Do you want me to finish my set or do you want to take over?

 

[GreyFox]

I have looked at the save, Asoka seems to be halfway dead already. It will be a pity not to take him off ... but he is willing to part with all his gold (150) and Education (save us 5 turns of research), so I guess we could do peace and starts rebuilding. Our GNP drops like mad.

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[namliaM]

Atleast try and take Osaka's citys on our good land due west?! IIRC you meantion you have some units heading there allready.

As long as we are waiting on that we can keep pushing our main force as well... towards any usefull city and/or one that is near Versailles that will not cost to much in upkeep

 

[blid]

@Rex : this mercantilism/representation combo is really strong. We have as much beakers as the 90% money spent on maintenance. Check F2

I think it will be hard to finish Asoka without killing our economy and the cities down south are not some fertile juicy targets. Ther are mediocre at best. My vote is sign peace. Let's hear the last vote from Bede

Concerning DPs, I had a game when Cyrus had a single city left and he managed to sign DP with Hatty which was the most powerful civ. So it is feasible. But in this game, Asoka needs to switch religion first to hope to get peace

Concerning the remaining turns, I think K made it clear you had to finish them yourself

@namliaM : Asoka is mad at you always calling him Osaka . At least, Toku is not in the game so there is no confusion possible

 

[namliaM]

Osake Smosake... Okinawa, smokysawa...

Whats in a name a dumb AI is a dumb AI.... and only good for just about 1 thing...

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

@Rex : this mercantilism/representation combo is really strong. We have as much beakers as the 90% money spent on maintenance. Check F2

That's why I did it. Our foreign trade routes were bringing in about 70 gold per turn. We lost that unless you generate domestic trade routes (can't remember). But a free scientist gets six beakers with representation. We have 20 cities now, so thats 120 beakers per turn for zero gold spent. Watch our research tank when we switch off it.

 

[Bede]

My usual preference is to finish the opponent off without keeping the dud cities. And 20 turns at the current burn rate is just about what we have in the kitty.

So the warhorse votes war!!! Surprised?

And for God's sakes turn those scientists into Merchants. Education is not going to help us win this war, or any other.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

You turn those scientist into merchants and we're on the dumb bus faster than you can say Chowdah. We're supposed to be peaceful and learned, aren't we?

 

[Bede]

You turn those scientist into merchants and we're on the dumb bus faster than you can say Chowdah. We're supposed to be peaceful and learned, aren't we?

There is a time for everything and everthing has its season (Is that eccleisiastical enough for you?) So do the math. If you run a dozen merchants that's the deficit plus and you get the Representation beakers, too. So run down the treasury then hire enough merchants to stay in the black. That is not going to hurt the research pace much.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Okay. I see the logic in the Merchants. I'm playing now and will at least continue the war through the end of my set.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Okay, back at the helm and I decide to try out the Bede doctrine. I hire 6 merchants and fire 6 scientists.
We're at +2 and education goes from 5 to 6.

End of turn 7

End of turn 8

Drat. Asoka sneaks around our forces at calcutta and puts a musket right next to Bombay with another two squares away.
Bombay only has a Longbow in it (I thought it was safe) and my closest reinforcements are two turns away.
Fortunately, Bombay is on a hill and the Longbow has 6/2 XP. So he gets an upgrade to Garisson II. Baring bad RNG, we'll be able to hold out.

Hmmm. I spy another Grenadier/Musket pair moving away from Asoka's cities. Beware of sneak attacks in Bombay or Napa.

Asoka's new city (Bengal) offends me. So I brought three grennies and a knight to "invite" him over for dinner. Upgrade one to cover and combat 2 to take on longbow on a hill at 85%. He wins. Combat III gren takes on the remaining longbow at 73%. He wins, we get 4 gold, and the city is auto-razed.

Asoka's city Etruscan (Can't see the name because the worker is in the way) is very near Napa. But we can't yet take it. I'll hold these forces and wait for reinforcements.

We've exausted our supply of useful tiles to work. Maybe we should "retire" a few workers?

End of turn 9

IBT the Indians sneak-attacked Calcutta and Delhi. Both are in resistance, so both have FOW right next to them. Both defenses held, but I'll probably withdraw some attacking troops.

Up in Bombay, the muskets didn't attack, but they did pillage.

Our good friend HC planted a shiney new city three tiles from Delhi while we still have resistence. Prick.

Meanwhile, we might lose either Bombay or Delhi on the next players first IBT. I'm trying to figure out the defenses. Because Delhi's still in resistence, troops can walk right up to it on roads before I know they're there. I can see two cats, a grenadier, and a horse archer within reach to strike IBT. (More might be just out of sight.) But I have no troops that can reach the city in time.

I'm leaving two knights with movement south of Bombay for the next player to decide where they can should go. The knights, both injured, can't reach Delhi, but they can reach the grenadier near delhi.

War weariness is now 14 in the capital with an additional emancipation penalty. I really can't see a justification for continuing this war. Asoka now has grenadiers and is apparently able to attack, meaning that his remaining cities are well defended.

We're at -46/turn thanks to WW and that's only getting worse. Maybe playing with all merchants will get us out of this hole, but most cities are starving. We can't create food from red-shirts.

 

[namliaM]

We've exausted our supply of useful tiles to work. Maybe we should "retire" a few workers?

To bad there is no more slaves like in C3C... Our workers must still have something to do. If only in former Asoka lands?

War weariness is now 14 in the capital with an additional emancipation penalty. I really can't see a justification for continuing this war. Asoka now has grenadiers and is apparently able to attack, meaning that his remaining cities are well defended.

Hmz... He does seem to keep on comming ...

We're at -46/turn thanks to WW and that's only getting worse. Maybe playing with all merchants will get us out of this hole, but most cities are starving. We can't create food from red-shirts.

I would still very much like to "deny" Asoka's cities to our west, that little vertile land that is there...

 

[Kikinit]

I'll be able to get to this tonight guys.

 

[Kikinit]

Got it now. So under this variant, I can't even call a cease fire and then declare again in a few turns? What a bummer. Guess we are going to loose a city then Rex? I'll see how that goes.

What's the scientist to be used for? I'll see if I can work that out during my turns. Also have we any preference on tech path? I can't recall any talk. Guess that's up to me to reason out too. I'll try my best guys.. thanks for the vote of confidence .

Got it and playing now anyway. I want to get to bed early so I can watch the Aussie team play tonight. Better bloody well win and make it worth my while getting up at 3am.

 

[GreyFox]

Got it now. So under this variant, I can't even call a cease fire and then declare again in a few turns?

You can, actually ... just that it counts as 2 war declarations and we have only 3.

What's the scientist to be used for?

I think Academy is the best ... remember, we are heading for space.

 

[blid]

@Kikinit : at work so can't give any lightened advice
It would be the second time we loose Delhi. Arghhhh
Well, I can understand we don't want peace before wiping Asoka, but loosing 2 cities !? Send the knights to try and get back those cities next turn. They are more valuable than the crappy ones in the south

For me, 3am is more like a stay awake late rather than wake up early
good luck

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

I was thinking the scientist might want to set up an academy in Delhi. When it gets rocking, it'll produce some beakers for us.

A sudden outbreak of peace would save us from losing Delhi again. Though, honestly, we have nothing invested in Delhi. Losing it for a few turns would only mean an extra 10 turns of resistence and a sudden jump back up to 60% defense for Asoka.

I still say we need peace. Our cities are starving at an alarming rate. I'm still wondering why WW is so high. We were at war a lot more in Fox3, but WW wasn't much of a problem. It is because our troops are dying so much? (RNGod)

 

[Kikinit]

Didn't loose anything. But also didn't do an acadamy. Not to matter, we'll have a few more scientists soon and delhi is still not doing much for us. Report at 10.