2024 US Presidential Election Watch Party

[Ziggy Stardust]

Oh dear. What groups have been calling their opponents fascist, racist, nazis etc? hmm?

Republicans.

The left is the one throwing those labels about willy nilly to anyone who does not agree 100% with their views.
Not the right.

yeah, we're about done here.

If you believe Trump is the left, yeah, we're about done here.

I call'em the Loony Left myself. That's the polite term.

*I'm* throwing labels around?

 

[choxorn]

Accusing Trump of sexual assault is as unreasonable as Republicans accusing Biden of being a sexual assault criminal.

My guy, he was found liable for sexually assaulting E Jean Caroll in his civil trial a while back. An actual jury of his peers ruled that he's a rapist, and a judge upheld that when he tried to appeal it.

I can't understand why you think this is reasonable.
When I first listened to them(the Trump voters), I thought the government paying for transgender surgeries was just an exaggeration from Trump voters.
Because it sounds to me like if this really happened, the US government would be really sick (even if it just happened few times)
But if Democrats feel like you, though that they shouldn't care about those few money.

What's your actual problem with transgender surgeries that you think it would be "really sick" if the government was funding them?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

What's your actual problem with transgender surgeries that you think it would be "really sick" if the government was funding them?

It's transphobia

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Gender transition is obviously not a "need", but closer to a "luxury".

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Technically, taxation IS theft.

No it's not.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Imagine thinking being trans is a luxury when being overtly trans is a crime in the majority of the world and harshly penalized socially even in supposedly progressive countries, let alone impossible medically in some places. @b81a98 doesn't have a goddamn clue how difficult it is

 

[Verbose]

Technically, taxation IS theft.

Not according to the parliamentary formula – the nation has a right to tax itself – as represented by its legislative branch of government. ("The inalienable right of the nation to tax itself" is part of at least my constitution.)

If you're in an autocracy – like it used to be historically – well, then taxation might be likened to theft.

And if someone just does not recognize being part of a society, a nation, then they might arguably think of it as theft.

 

[JollyRoger]

sigh.

sigh.

On behalf of myself and @danjuno, we accept your surrender

 

[Angst]

The progressive elite dipsticks in Ottawa that are currently in charge of country.
(the only part about running it, is they are hell bent on running it into the ground)

nowhere in the world does there exist a progressive elite

caveat: celebrities are usually left leaning, but the people that own their licenses aren't

 

[Angst]

If you believe Trump is the left, yeah, we're about done here.

wait. huh??? i missed this

 

[Joij21]

I think the reverse would be required actually, why do you think capitalism = markets? Do you think trade did not exist until capitalism came about?

Of course trade existed and so did private property as well as currency. What changed specifically that suddenly made everything "capitalist"?

 

[Estebonrober]

Of course trade existed and so did private property as well as currency. What changed specifically that suddenly made everything "capitalist"?

Are you wanting me to type out an economic history from feudal economies to mercantilism to capitalism? The dramatic expansion of financing through interest bearing instruments and corporate stocks. Perfect tools for creating empires and monopolies.

 

[Birdjaguar]

What he said ^^^^.

Dutch East India Company 1602 changed the financial world forever.

The world’s first IPO - The World’s First Stock Exchange

The Dutch East India Company (VOC) held the world's first IPO in August 1602. This is a key event in the history of the capitalist world.

www.worldsfirststockexchange.com

 

[Canadian Bluebeer]

On behalf of myself and @danjuno, we accept your surrender

nowhere in the world does there exist a progressive elite

caveat: celebrities are usually left leaning, but the people that own their licenses aren't

Except Ottawa. (at least according to some of our newspapers)

 

[Joij21]

The dramatic expansion of financing through interest bearing instruments and corporate stocks. Perfect tools for creating empires and monopolies.

So this is what is meant by capitalism. Equities & IP (non physical capital) and a system based entirely around increasing their value.

 

[Joij21]

What's your actual problem with transgender surgeries that you think it would be "really sick" if the government was funding them?

Why should I pay the government money to give someone a free sex change when the government doesn't even give me basic dental???

 

[choxorn]

Why are you getting mad at the person wanting their gender-affirming surgeries to be covered by insurance instead of getting mad at the government for not covering your dental health?

 

[Birdjaguar]

So this is what is meant by capitalism. Equities & IP (non physical capital) and a system based entirely around increasing their value.

Pretty much, yep.

 

[Gorbles]

Why should I pay the government money to give someone a free sex change when the government doesn't even give me basic dental???

You're right, you should stop paying taxes. Best of luck buddy.

 

[Estebonrober]

So this is what is meant by capitalism. Equities & IP (non physical capital) and a system based entirely around increasing their value.

yea, pretty much and with a highly regulated form of capitalism maybe you can incentivize good behavior and make it reasonably moral... that is not what we have done... my tax dollars are currently going to murder people in at least 13 different countries atm... none of which will help me at all, forget any of it being in the defense of America. I have come to the conclusion that this economic system itself is the corruption there is no way to wrangle it because it necessarily and most powerfully incentivizes bad behavior.

fwiw I've come to the sad conclusion old Gene Roddenberry was right and it will take WWIII for us to fix it. Obviously the first two wars resulted in the wrong conclusion...