Ruff06 - Testing / Illustrating BUG!
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EmperorFool
Deity
Edit: Oops, wrong forum. Ignore this post.
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negyvenketto
Scientist
It's seems to be a very long day for you 
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
ahh, well - I didn't manage to sneak in any turns. Anyone can grab this game now.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
since transplanted aussies are such spoil sports, i have got this. report tomorrow i think.
negyvenketto
Scientist
I need a skip on the following 2 1/2 weeks, back after 5 Dec. Good luck.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
sorry for the delay, but i've played and am doing up the rport.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
I started off by finding Izumo
In 1170, FDR made peace w/QSH, and Biz got all demand-y on us:
Next turn, the AP had another vote:
and a farm was destroyed by someone:
Sitting Bull wanted a trade in 1190:
but I turned him down.
Stalin won the elections:
Next turn, more sabotage: a cottage got destroyed.
And heres your BUG feature:
In 1240, Sally wanted us to turn out the coffers for him:
Again, I said no.
The Spanish made a move on the barb city just as I was about to:
Engineering came in, and I went to with Philosophy next.
We also hit 5 million people:
There wasn't a whole lot else to do as our borders seem reasonably secure . . . for now.
In 1170, FDR made peace w/QSH, and Biz got all demand-y on us:
Next turn, the AP had another vote:
and a farm was destroyed by someone:
Sitting Bull wanted a trade in 1190:
but I turned him down.
Stalin won the elections:
Next turn, more sabotage: a cottage got destroyed.
And heres your BUG feature:
In 1240, Sally wanted us to turn out the coffers for him:
Again, I said no.
The Spanish made a move on the barb city just as I was about to:
Engineering came in, and I went to with Philosophy next.
We also hit 5 million people:
There wasn't a whole lot else to do as our borders seem reasonably secure . . . for now.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
I have it - playing now.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
teaser ... report to follow ...
Spoiler :
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
Here is a picture of the world as we know it. Civs far a way are our friends (Bismark, Stalin, Khan) and they get what ever they ask for. We also like trading with them. Civs a little way away (Saladin, Roosevelt) are ok and we can trade with them. Civs near us (Isabella, Qin) are our enemies and they get their just desert!
So, in light of that,
I also check our civics to find that we haven't revolted to Bureaucracy (where is Fox when you need him) ...
. I swap to this and Org Rel to spread our religion around (BTW - we are in 'no state religion' for the culture?). Lunacy - I swap to Hinduism later in my turn set (3 of our buddies are Hindu).
During my turn set ...
So, where is this game heading? Here is the state of play re relationships ...
Qin and Isabella hate us - that is ok because we hate them! Our relationships with our buddies are improving. We are paying 19 gold per turn in army upkeep. Should we make them pay their way? If we remove Qin, a bunch of the '-4 you declared on our friend' might go away.
A change for BtS (I think), previously, you could tell if an AI didn't have something as it would appear on your list of things to trade to them (see pic, iron, copper and horses to Isabella). I know she has them (see insert).
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/64034/Ruff06_X-Tokugawa_AD-1350.CivBeyondSwordSave
So, in light of that,
- I trade Machinery to Bismark for Feudalism and 50 gold
- try to talk to Kublai Khan who will not even do that (!)
- Trade Machinery plus 25 gold to Roosie for Theology and Horseriding
I also check our civics to find that we haven't revolted to Bureaucracy (where is Fox when you need him) ...
. I swap to this and Org Rel to spread our religion around (BTW - we are in 'no state religion' for the culture?). Lunacy - I swap to Hinduism later in my turn set (3 of our buddies are Hindu).During my turn set ...
- Qin asks to convert to Judaism - HA! no way
- I find Satsuma on permanent Samurai build - that is a bit of a no no in an SG - turn that off
- see that hindu buildings give us +2 hammers and take about 30 minutes to figure out why (haven't played much BtS)
- finish our ring of cities
- vote YES for 'Stop Trading with Isabella' in the Apostolic Palace vote (vote fails)
- decide not to give Isabella 390 gold after she asks for it - the cheek
- give Bismark (our buddy) 380 gold when he asks for it
- learnt literature and start on The Great Library (failed, it fell to Roosie)
- Started the Epics - decided that Kagoshima is to be a GP farm (gave it the pigs from next door) and started to build some farms there - also build a farm or two so that our military cities can work the mines
- Traded rice for fish with our buddy Bismark
- Swapped our spying around to watch our buddies Stalin, Sitting Bull and to keep watching Isabella and Saladin (I don't trust those two)
- Traded Engineering to Bismark for Philosophy and 155 gold
- Gave Civil Service to Sitting Bull (our buddy) after he asked for it
- Turned Isabella down after she rudely demanded Philosophy
- Discovered Music (free artist - what should we do with him? He will lightbulb Drama or Islam if we learn Drama - I am inclined to settle in our capital)
- spread Hindu to our cities / also spreading confucianism
So, where is this game heading? Here is the state of play re relationships ...
Qin and Isabella hate us - that is ok because we hate them! Our relationships with our buddies are improving. We are paying 19 gold per turn in army upkeep. Should we make them pay their way? If we remove Qin, a bunch of the '-4 you declared on our friend' might go away.
A change for BtS (I think), previously, you could tell if an AI didn't have something as it would appear on your list of things to trade to them (see pic, iron, copper and horses to Isabella). I know she has them (see insert).
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/64034/Ruff06_X-Tokugawa_AD-1350.CivBeyondSwordSave
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
Roster:
Greyfox (up - some decisions and direction required)
·Imhotep· (on deck)
EmperorFool
Pholkhere
Ruff (I cannot believe I put fox after me - what was I thinking! - expecting some blistering comments for GF)
negyvenketto (skip)
Greyfox (up - some decisions and direction required)
·Imhotep· (on deck)
EmperorFool
Pholkhere
Ruff (I cannot believe I put fox after me - what was I thinking! - expecting some blistering comments for GF)
negyvenketto (skip)
EmperorFool
Deity
Yes, and on top of that they will actually buy those duplicate things from you now. I can understand this in light of corporations, but it seems goofy in some cases, like this one with Iron to Isabella who would have to lose her capital to lose her Iron.
BTW, did I get skipped? I was waiting for more people to play after you last played since you played right after me, but now you've played again. I don't much care, but weekends are my best chance to play and report, so if it's cool I'd like to play this weekend.
I sometimes use the free artist for a GA, but I'm cool with settling in the capital. I'm in favor of a little skirmish with Qin, more so in favor of removing him from the game. I never could figure out why destroying a civ didn't turn those "-2 you declared war on our friend" to "-5 you destroyed our friend".
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
EmperorFool - the roster got totally screwed so if you want to - grab the game and play.
EmperorFool
Deity
Got it. Playing 10 turns now.
EmperorFool
Deity
And Hindus hate Osaka. Two missionaries failed to spread Hinduism to this quaint little backwater town. Heathens I say! Of course, this same town was the main producer of Confucius missionaries -- who were all successful in spreading their faith thankyouverymuch, so I guess it all balances out.
Edit: I forgot that I settled the GA in the northeastern city instead of the capital. It already has a market, and the +12
will help push out the border there.
An AP vote was called to stop trade with Qin. Our friends voted against it, but our semi-enemies voted yes, so it passed.
The turnset started out nicely enough. Bismarck declared war on Kublai Khan on turn 1, and Saladin followed suit on turn 2. Spain laid low except, moving around some troops (7 catapults and 2 elephants up Northwest) and founded a city, completing the encirclement of our territory on the west coast.
Qin or Isabella no doubt were responsible for the poisoning of Satsuma's well.
This wouldn't be the last little spy adventure in our territory. Apparently we have a few "admirers."
Bismarck asked us to join in his war with Kublai Khan,
but KK is our friend, and the enemy of my friend is not my enemy if he's my friend, or something like that.
While our Hindi expansion may not have gone very well this turnset, everyone else went bonanza. Here is one turn:
I thought my game had gone awry when the sound kept repeating until I noticed the messages were for different cities.
Somewhere around here a windmill and hamlet were destroyed by more spies. Our spy, however, brought back the first maps of China's capital and southern coast.
And while Osaka clearly doesn't like Hinduism, it sure does love copper.
And now my turnset has come to a end (notice BUG's addition of displaying reminders that fired that turn in the flashing end-turn text). I'd trim this screenshot if I weren't feeling so lazy right now. Look at the bottom center of the image, in the trees.
Here's a look at the various attitudes with the war indicators.
This gave me another idea for BUG's scoreboard. Back when I was building the aligned icons feature, I made translucent versions of the various icons that show in the scoreboard, including the fist. I was thinking that this version of the fist could be used for two different purposes (via option or just choosing one):
Okay, turn log:
And the save: Ruff06_X-Tokugawa_AD-1450.CivBeyondSwordSave
Edit: I forgot that I settled the GA in the northeastern city instead of the capital. It already has a market, and the +12
will help push out the border there.An AP vote was called to stop trade with Qin. Our friends voted against it, but our semi-enemies voted yes, so it passed.
The turnset started out nicely enough. Bismarck declared war on Kublai Khan on turn 1, and Saladin followed suit on turn 2. Spain laid low except, moving around some troops (7 catapults and 2 elephants up Northwest) and founded a city, completing the encirclement of our territory on the west coast.
Qin or Isabella no doubt were responsible for the poisoning of Satsuma's well.
This wouldn't be the last little spy adventure in our territory. Apparently we have a few "admirers."
Bismarck asked us to join in his war with Kublai Khan,
but KK is our friend, and the enemy of my friend is not my enemy if he's my friend, or something like that.
While our Hindi expansion may not have gone very well this turnset, everyone else went bonanza. Here is one turn:
I thought my game had gone awry when the sound kept repeating until I noticed the messages were for different cities.
Somewhere around here a windmill and hamlet were destroyed by more spies. Our spy, however, brought back the first maps of China's capital and southern coast.
And while Osaka clearly doesn't like Hinduism, it sure does love copper.
And now my turnset has come to a end (notice BUG's addition of displaying reminders that fired that turn in the flashing end-turn text). I'd trim this screenshot if I weren't feeling so lazy right now. Look at the bottom center of the image, in the trees.
Here's a look at the various attitudes with the war indicators.
This gave me another idea for BUG's scoreboard. Back when I was building the aligned icons feature, I made translucent versions of the various icons that show in the scoreboard, including the fist. I was thinking that this version of the fist could be used for two different purposes (via option or just choosing one):
- Civs that are at war with a civ that you are at war with (war allies, in a way, even though they could be your enemy as well), or
- Civs that are at war with some other civ.
Okay, turn log:
Spoiler :
And the save: Ruff06_X-Tokugawa_AD-1450.CivBeyondSwordSave
GreyFox
Make it so ...
So, the question now remains is where do we go from here now that the ring is completed? Diplo? Space? Cultural?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
A quiet turnset, the only highlight which I am glad to report is I accomplished what Emperor had not ... completing the Hindu Ring 
About victory direction, I think it might be best to go for space. So, when we got guilds:
I immediately go for Education, which was bulbed when a scientist was born:
And we are now a few turns away from Liberalism. I don't think anyone can snatch it from us, so might be possible to switch to other techs one turn before Liberalism is in to enable a more expensive tech for Lib freebie.
Related to teching, Hinduism building just got a bit more lucrative:
Production wise, I built a few knights and pikes, seeing that Izzy is heavy with elephants, cats, and knights. Also built a few spies to be stationed in our cities, since the number of sabotage is getting frequent.
Well, I suspect its either Izzy or QSH. If it was the former, she got what she deserved then:
Despite sabotaging our mines, we still manage to pop something out of them:
Note that Izzy is amassing quite an army in the NE as indicate din the above screenie. Might be good to beef up our defense a little.
About victory direction, I think it might be best to go for space. So, when we got guilds:
I immediately go for Education, which was bulbed when a scientist was born:
And we are now a few turns away from Liberalism. I don't think anyone can snatch it from us, so might be possible to switch to other techs one turn before Liberalism is in to enable a more expensive tech for Lib freebie.
Related to teching, Hinduism building just got a bit more lucrative:
Production wise, I built a few knights and pikes, seeing that Izzy is heavy with elephants, cats, and knights. Also built a few spies to be stationed in our cities, since the number of sabotage is getting frequent.
Well, I suspect its either Izzy or QSH. If it was the former, she got what she deserved then:
Despite sabotaging our mines, we still manage to pop something out of them:
Note that Izzy is amassing quite an army in the NE as indicate din the above screenie. Might be good to beef up our defense a little.
Spoiler :
Sam_Yeager
Another Original Geezer
lurker's comment:
Looking at GreyFox's post it's interesting to notice that AP resolution results do not appear to be logged. Is there anyway that this can be done? I suspect that UN resolution results aren't logged either.
Looking at GreyFox's post it's interesting to notice that AP resolution results do not appear to be logged. Is there anyway that this can be done? I suspect that UN resolution results aren't logged either.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
Roster:
EmperorFool
Greyfox (what? no gripes?)
·Imhotep· (up)
Pholkhere
Ruff
negyvenketto (skip)
EmperorFool
Greyfox (what? no gripes?
)·Imhotep· (up)
Pholkhere
Ruff
negyvenketto (skip)
