Ruler of Greece

Ruler of Greece

  • A new Alexander head

    Votes: 14 36.8%
  • Leonidas Head

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • Bzyantine Head (please post who)

    Votes: 9 23.7%
  • Greek ruler (please post who)

    Votes: 10 26.3%

  • Total voters
    38
It would not be meant to be the same person. Of course you could give him a name, but in the editor one can rename the lh easily, and use the specific era he needs (altering the eras so that they could utilise the same face for more than one) :)

Although it could be too much work. I voted for Basil II, but Venizelos would be very interesting as well (and Partizanac could use him too)

Here is a pic of Otto:

200px-Otto_of_Greece.jpg
 
Considering 1 - Your fantastic work on LHs recently, and 2 - That I'm trying to make a scenario based around Alexander, I'll give you just one guess who I'm going for. ;) I second Varwnos' Otto pic as the Industrial era head.

I don't suppose you would consider doing two ancient era heads would you? One with Greek props and backgrounds and one with a more Persian look. :please: But if that sounds like too much (considering all the work you are taking on at the moment) then I understand.
 
Now the idea on the two Greek LH's isn't that bad. Both would be very useful.
Think about it one LH would be an Alexander (Jung LH) and for the second one an older LH, maybe Leonidas? people need him too, and he can be a King George in the Industrial era (Maybe give him some kind of a hat to cover the baldness :lol:). But its all up to you pall ;)
 
For Medieval you could go with one of the Palaiologoi who were the longest lived dynasty of Byzantium according to Wikipedia(No I didn't remember)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaiologos

I voted for Byzantium with them in mind, but if you will do 4 of them, my proposition would be uniformal leaders(both Leonidas and Pericles were great but mainly for Spartans and Athenians respectively, whereas Alexander of all Greeks)

Basil is a good selection too.

For modern/industrial I'd also suggest Kapodistrias who was short lived(like Lincoln, was assassinated) but was helping the cause before the state was re-established.

However Otto is very good as an option, considering he remained pro-Greek even after we ousted him(to replace him with others that didn't really do the job better).

Venizelos IS considered by many the most influential(though personally I consider him responsible for great catastrophes of that era and thus ego-centric and not Greek-centric as a leader should be, in that he could have helped the country but didn't in order to make the country "see' we "needed" him).

If you want the most up to date modern I'd rather go with George Papandreou
(or for others Konstantinos Karamanlis, I'm not that much on any party's chariot so it doesn't matter that much).
 
Hmm, could we do a "Plotinus" or well "Plotinos"? 8)
 
Hmm, could we do a "Plotinus" or well "Plotinos"? 8)

Ha, sounds like a plan!

He did want to set up a city run according to Plato's Laws (called Platonopolis), so he was almost a civil leader...
 
Voting for Pericles is a must need.I would like a Phillip of Macedon too as well since it can be optioned to be used as a ancient Pirate leaderhead.
 
I'd like to see/use that Leonidas that you started :)

Listen to this chap, he knows of what he speaks! Consider, Leonidas was an excellent leader, dying in the most honorable way thinkable, and sacrificed his life to give some of his soldiers the opportunity to escape to repel the Persians (successfully) later on (this was left out of "300" for those wanting to base any facts on that movie; remember, it's fictionalized history and therefore not the most accurate of sources, however, still a good movie with great action scenes). At the time, Sparta was considered the "protector of Greece" and therefore its leaders the de facto rulers of Greece, accordingly. Anyways, you've started work on him already so what's the harm in finishing him off? ;)

Goldflash said:
[...]the notion of having a Byzantine leader for Greece. If you're going to have a Greek leader , it might as well be Greek.

I agree with this. I'm really turned off by the fact of using a Byzantine leader for any of the Greek eras. First of all, the Byzantines are a seperate civ anyways, and are Roman rather than Greek. Second of all, the Romans never removed all the heads of state from each conquered nation, as is observable in the case of Israel during the Roman rule, where King Herod Antipas was a jewish king of the regions of Galilea and Parea. Typically, the Romans only had "overlords" watching over each part of their empire, as was the case with Pontius Pilatus, the governor of Judea (famous for presiding over the trial of Jesus of Nazareth). This was similar in Greece, where each state such as Thebes, Athens, and Sparta remained seperate but not independent states part of the Roman Empire. In fact, there was a battle at one point where Spartan hoplites were called upon by the Roman army to defeat an invading group of Germanic warriors, a task the Roman legions had been defeated at doing. So, Greek kings still very much existed during the Roman Empire, however, with little political influence beyond their small states. Definitely keep the medieval era head Greek rather than Byzantine.

flamescreen said:
(both Leonidas and Pericles were great but mainly for Spartans and Athenians respectively, whereas Alexander of all Greeks)

I'm of a different opinion on this matter. As I already said, the Spartan kings were the de facto rulers of the majority of Greece after taking the title of "protector of Greece" from the Athenians. And in the case of Alexander, he was strictly Macedonian, just like Leonidas was Spartan. He did unite Greece, but again, so did the Spartans (and the Athenians before them) to some effect. It just depends on your definition of uniting a nation in that sense. However, Alexander's empire was referred to as the Macedonian empire and not the Greek empire. So in effect, he was just as great for all of Greece as Pericles and Leonidas.
 
Listen to this chap, he knows of what he speaks! Consider, Leonidas was an excellent leader, dying in the most honorable way thinkable, and sacrificed his life to give some of his soldiers the opportunity to escape to repel the Persians (successfully) later on (this was left out of "300" for those wanting to base any facts on that movie; remember, it's fictionalized history and therefore not the most accurate of sources, however, still a good movie with great action scenes). At the time, Sparta was considered the "protector of Greece" and therefore its leaders the de facto rulers of Greece, accordingly. Anyways, you've started work on him already so what's the harm in finishing him off? ;)



I agree with this. I'm really turned off by the fact of using a Byzantine leader for any of the Greek eras. First of all, the Byzantines are a seperate civ anyways, and are Roman rather than Greek. Second of all, the Romans never removed all the heads of state from each conquered nation, as is observable in the case of Israel during the Roman rule, where King Herod Antipas was a jewish king of the regions of Galilea and Parea. Typically, the Romans only had "overlords" watching over each part of their empire, as was the case with Pontius Pilatus, the governor of Judea (famous for presiding over the trial of Jesus of Nazareth). This was similar in Greece, where each state such as Thebes, Athens, and Sparta remained seperate but not independent states part of the Roman Empire. In fact, there was a battle at one point where Spartan hoplites were called upon by the Roman army to defeat an invading group of Germanic warriors, a task the Roman legions had been defeated at doing. So, Greek kings still very much existed during the Roman Empire, however, with little political influence beyond their small states. Definitely keep the medieval era head Greek rather than Byzantine.



I'm of a different opinion on this matter. As I already said, the Spartan kings were the de facto rulers of the majority of Greece after taking the title of "protector of Greece" from the Athenians. And in the case of Alexander, he was strictly Macedonian, just like Leonidas was Spartan. He did unite Greece, but again, so did the Spartans (and the Athenians before them) to some effect. It just depends on your definition of uniting a nation in that sense. However, Alexander's empire was referred to as the Macedonian empire and not the Greek empire. So in effect, he was just as great for all of Greece as Pericles and Leonidas.

Well, I don't know how long has the span of a leader leading their people must be to become a leader. Alexander's was years while Leonidas was basically days, or months, depending on one's way of seeing things(including preparation and similar). And Pericles generally speaking did far more for his people but he was opposing Spartans and didn't get to win in the end either(like Alexander did). For Greeks generally and Alexander especially, I propose the following two links. There is reasoning there to support both Alexander AND a Byzantine leader(especially considering Byzantium ended in Greek territory speaking a Greek language and having a Greek culture without including Rome as territory since the division in two and the Fall of Rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks

Ofcourse your opinion is respected and so will be the final choice whatever that is.
 
Ehm, Shiro- which of the Greek eras are you considering to stand for "Greece"...

I.e.
Dark Ages (i.e. Pre-Classic) = Agamemnon
Classical = Alcibiades and/or Miltiades the Younger
Madedonian = Alexander the Great
Modern Greece (war of independence-> today) = Hero Theodoros Kolokotronis

I wouldn't promote Kings such as Otto (von Glücksburg, Bavarian Prince), My personal favourites are Agamemnon and Kolokotronis :)


EDIT: Ah I c u already got a winner :)
 
Ehm, Shiro- which of the Greek eras are you considering to stand for "Greece"...

I.e.
Dark Ages (i.e. Pre-Classic) = Agamemnon
Classical = Alcibiades and/or Miltiades the Younger
Madedonian = Alexander the Great
Modern Greece (war of independence-> today) = Hero Theodoros Kolokotronis

I wouldn't promote Kings such as Otto (von Glücksburg, Bavarian Prince), My personal favourites are Agamemnon and Kolokotronis :)


EDIT: Ah I c u already got a winner :)

Kolokotronis would be nice but he's more of a hero to me. But if Alexander hasn't won and he was a candidate, I think he's the second best, in my heart.
And Kapodistrias third for that matter.

I do want to make a Kolokotronis unit eventually(after I learn how to properly animate horses, he's a cavalier in my mind.)
 
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