Saudis blame west for orgies, wife swapping

[Katheryn]

Wow. Fundy Arab Muslims are starting to talk like Fundy American Christians - blaming others for creating an environment in which they can't handle the temptation.

Here is how they handle it in Saudi Arabia:



Mesyaf (Summer Holiday) Marriage, New form of Prostitution in Saudi Arabia!
Part of Haitham's adventure in Failures, Say That Again, Saudi Arabia, Culture, Human Rights, Islam, Religion, Middle East, Arab
09. June 2005
No, I’m not kidding. Alarabiya reported this… marriage (in Arabic) and here is my translation to part of the article, followed by my comments:

After Almesyar marriage, blood, cassette, secret, on home, and the pleasure marriage, lately in Saudi Arabia a new form of weird ways of marriage is spreading called “Almesyaf Marriage” (Summer Holiday Marriage) specially between businessmen and businesswoman, to travel together during summer holidays in a state of husband and wife, but breaks as soon as the return home.

The businessmen have some conditions in these “travel wife”, most important is that she should have good command of English language both spoken and written, nice looking, sexy and do not mind attending mixed parties.

Some of the Gulf Ameers put condition that the Saudi woman for such marriages should be from a rich powerful and known families, white skin, pretty face, sexy and accepts to travel with him anywhere in the world, specially during summer, she should have good command in English, and the pay (Maher) is not less than 150 thousand Saudi Riyal plus a car and a top class villa.

On the other hand, it’s not only businessmen who are looking for wives. Also Saudi Businesswomen go looking for a husband to become “Mehrem” for her during her travel abroad, in a condition that the husband should give her the permit to travel while he should accompany her, but do not stop her from going anywhere once they are outside Saudi Arabia. All that for in return that he can live with her or she buys him a car, etc…

Sheikh Ahmed Abdulqader, an Islamic consultant and a legal marriage officer in Saudi Arabia say that “Summer Holiday Marriage” is important so that men do not fall in prostitution during their travel abroad, specially that some woman are lately not ready to devote enough time for their husbands due to their life occupation, so the husband understands these circumstances and therefore such different type of marriages become necessary such as “Summer Holiday Marriage”.

Mrs. N.C. 33 years old, married her friend’s husband with the knowledge of her friend and family, who understood the necessity of her getting married before she can travel aboard to get her Ph.D

Is this legal prostitution or not? Come on, this sucks!!! Is this the rights the Saudi woman are looking for? I mean how can they call for right (these rich ladies) while they act in such a such prostitution mind? Is this the freedom you are fighting for? I mean how you want us to sympathy with Saudi ladies when we hear all of this ****? Com’n, have some dignity and honor, and I’m speaking only to those Saudi woman who accept and believe in such cultural failure. You suck, you are no more than a prostitute and for those men, you are no more than sex sick maniacs, and should be hanged from your balls. I don’t even feel sorry for you, you made me feel disgusted, and shame of being called an Arab citizen!

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/...age-new-form-of-prostitution-in-saudi-arabia/

 

[warpus]

^^ Sex between two consenting adults, I don't see a problem there.

 

[C~G]

It's nothing new to religious fundies or conservatives (in general) blame something coming outside to effecting the morals of society negatively.

Perhaps you have a source for this claim? Or is it trolling?

It cracks me up how much this happens here at this forum.

As soon as anyone in whole world acts up, it is immediately equated with 'Fundy American Christians'. It's like, do we really deserve all this attention, all this obsession? I'm already quoted in two people's signature. Does that make me important or what? Why do you care so much about what one fundy says?

Do muslims need your attention?
Why do you care how much one fundy muslim says?
(Tthese are rhetoric questions. No need to stark talk about the TRUTH. We know everybody is just trying to warn us of the "dangers" of Islam.)

It cracks me up how much this happens here at this forum. Few posters have nothing else to do during their day than post articles about muslims. Nothing wrong there of course, as it is just act of love.

Mesyaf (Summer Holiday) Marriage, New form of Prostitution in Saudi Arabia!
Part of Haitham's adventure in Failures, Say That Again, Saudi Arabia, Culture, Human Rights, Islam, Religion, Middle East, Arab
09. June 2005

And the last paragraph or so is probably part of blog.
Do you equatate your opinion with that view?

 

[Katheryn]

http://home.swipnet.se/islam/articles/Temp.Marriage.htm

The chapters on "Temporary Marriage" in the book "Vassa'el" report that the Prophet posted an edict in the streets and bazaars which read: "O people! God's Apostle has made temporary marriage permissible for you, for the quenching of the fires of the sex instinct, and for turning it to sound uses, that ye may not be the slaves of sexual licence, fornication or illicit relationships." By this law the man and woman enter upon a marriage, not of permanence, but of a limited time, and live as man and wife until the expiry of the stated period.

The only difference in this type of marriage is that it does not carry with it the same rights of inheritance, nor does the man have to continue to provide the woman's food, clothing and shelter after the termination of their relationship. But to preserve proper order all the other rules that govern permanent marriage must also be observed in the temporary marriage.

A woman who enters such a contract is counted as the man's real wife and can claim all the rights which are legally specified as such. As it is written in Sura IV. Nisa'a-"The Women" (verse 24): "To women whom you choose in temporary and conditional (muwaqat and muta'a) marriage, give their dowry, as a duty."

The only difference between permanent marriage and temporary marriage, so far as its social status is concerned, is its duration. If the contract specifies a definite and limited period, that is a temporary marriage. But the wife is as much a wife as if the contract had specified "a permanent and unlimited period." The children of the temporary marriage are recognised on precisely the same footing as those of a permanent marriage, and enjoy all the legal and canonical and customary rights of children whose paternity is recognised.

One reason for prostitution is that some men find it not within their reach to enter upon a permanent marriage, either because their personality or their finances prevent them undertaking the heavy lifelong responsibility. or because their stay in any one place can only be short. Merchants, soldiers, students and even tourists find themselves in these conditions. It is the realistic recognition of these facts, and Islam's consistent "yes!". to life, which have produced the institution of "temporary marriage".

What better solution could there be? Properly practised. this institution is a powerful antidote...

I see... so the man gets the girl's dowry, but she gets no promise of assistance. Nice solution FOR A MAN, that is!

 

[Gelion]

Your title is deceiving.

There is a grand total of one Saudi saying that the orgies (and what not) are a result of Western culture.

ONE!

And all of you are jumping on the bandwagon.

Maybe read the article first before posting?

I'll bold this just in case. Does anyone wish to reconsider their statements? Guess not...

 

[Katheryn]

It's nothing new to religious fundies or conservatives (in general) blame something coming outside to effecting the morals of society negatively.
Do muslims need your attention?
Why do you care how much these fundy muslims says?
(Tthese are rhetoric questions. No need to stark talk about the TRUTH. We know everybody is just trying to warn us of the "dangers" of Islam.)

It cracks me up how much this happens here at this forum. Few posters have nothing else to do during their day than post articles about muslims. Nothing wrong there of course, as it is just act of love.
And the last paragraph or so is probably part of blog.
Do you equatate your opinion with that view?

OK, let's see, at least TWO posters here say that they are from Arabia, are CURRENTLY IN THE UNITED STATES, they say they are screwed up, but their home country is immeasurably more screwed up to the point that they don't want to go back. They are thinking about staying here, but on the other hand, they feel resentful of the prejudice they get here. So I'm wondering, Why do they think it's their right to stay anyway? They need to be applicants first, I think, and we have way too many immigrants in the U.S. already, so I think there is a long line.

My sister-in-law just became a citizen and it took her 5 or 6 years.

She is NOT resentful of anyone or anything in the U.S. but if she were, I would wonder if she is a good candidate for citizenship, or residency.

Maybe after people come for an education, they need to go home and FIX what is wrong in their country. If Egypt is screwed up, and if others around the world are nervous at having them emigrate because of it, then go home and fix your problems. Don't screw up other countries.

People need to wake up. The multicultural dream is over. It turned into a nightmare.

 

[Katheryn]

I had something you wrote in my sig because it was so stupid, not because you deserve attention

Either way, I'm not sure if such a comparison to fundie Christians is warranted in this case. Sure, both tend to be sexually repressed, and sure, sometimes fundie Christians claim that America is turning into a land of sin because of the liberals.. but nah.

How ridiculous.

 

[C~G]

Maybe after people come for an education, they need to go home and FIX what is wrong in their country. If Egypt is screwed up, and if others around the world are nervous at having them emigrate because of it, then go home and fix your problems. Don't screw up other countries.

I don't honestly understand what you are talking about here.

Are you asking muslims go to back to their home countries or what?
But you already have pointed out what you truly want and that is giving up their religion which ain't gonna happen as much as you won't give up Jesus-talk.

People need to wake up. The multicultural dream is over. It turned into a nightmare.

It ain't over till it's over.

And it ain't dream or nightmare, it's reality. Try to adjust to it and cope with it, like rest of us do.

There's no need to warn anyone about anything since everything has already happened, now we deal with the situations as they come along.

And I don't need to remind you that Saudi Arabia is the ally of US.

 

[Mise]

What really gets me is how certain posters talk about Muslims as if they weren't even human beings; to these posters they are scum, the lowest of the low, who roll around in their own filth like rabid dogs, raping everyone in their path and then blaming their owners. And by owners I mean the West, because it is our responsibility to train the inbred mongrels into a civilised Christian pedegree. We must either domesticate them, or they must be exterminated as the disgusting pests that they are, for their own good and for the good of God loving Americans.

It makes me want to puke, whenever I read certain posters' posts. When I read them I realise why slavery existed.

 

[Gelion]

But what do you personaly think about that "responsibility" issue?

 

[Mise]

But what do you personaly think about that "responsibility" issue?

What do you mean?

 

[Gelion]

And by owners I mean the West, because it is our responsibility to train the inbred mongrels into a civilised Christian pedegree. We must domesticate them

I want to know if you support this to some degree.....
and I also think you made a good post.

 

[Mise]

I want to know if you support this to some degree.....
and I also think you made a good post.

I think we have a responsibility to help them as equals. In Africa for example we give them money and resources to help them out of poverty. In our own countries we have insitutions and governmental assistance to help people out of poverty. But in Muslim countries, it's different, for some reason, and it shouldn't be. That's if they want our help that is.

 

[Eukaryote]

Blame? Doesn't he mean, thank?

 

[Comraddict]

Your title is deceiving.

There is a grand total of one Saudi saying that the orgies (and what not) are a result of Western culture.

ONE!

And all of you are jumping on the bandwagon.

Maybe read the article first before posting?

Maybe you should too. King also agrees with such statement, since he represents everybody, conclusion is simple.

 

[skadistic]

I think we have a responsibility to help them as equals. In Africa for example we give them money and resources to help them out of poverty. In our own countries we have insitutions and governmental assistance to help people out of poverty. But in Muslim countries, it's different, for some reason, and it shouldn't be. That's if they want our help that is.

The west gives alot of aid to muslim countries. Some get billions not to wage war on Israel some get aid everytime there is an earth quack or other natural disaster. They don't as much aid as some african nations because they sit ontop of seas of oil and natural gas. Why is it up to the west all the time? Why can the muslims give more aid to poor muslims. Lets just take the pallies for instance. The west gave them billions upon billions and what happened to that money? With all the money they got they should have every bit of inferstructure they need. They chose to build bombs instead of buildings with what was left affter the corruption got its massive cut. Now you have Iran spending untold amounts in arming the pallies and hamas and hezbula. Would that money be better spent on hospitals? Sadam gave money to families of suicide bombers. Could that same money have gone to build schools? Why is it the west that should bear the responcability? So many want to blame the west first for not doing enough but fail to look at the middle east and how it does nothing to help and alot to forther the suffering. So yes its all the wests fault all the wests respouncability and none of the blame goes to muslims.

 

[Trajan12]

I think we have a responsibility to help them as equals. In Africa for example we give them money and resources to help them out of poverty. In our own countries we have insitutions and governmental assistance to help people out of poverty. But in Muslim countries, it's different, for some reason, and it shouldn't be. That's if they want our help that is.

Oh thats just rediculous. We give them billions. What do they do? Sqaunder it. It is our fault, weve been to leniant with our wallets.

 

[Elrohir]

They are the same thing....

Don't be intentionally ignorant. They aren't the same, and you know it.

 

[Mise]

The west gives alot of aid to muslim countries. Some get billions not to wage war on Israel some get aid everytime there is an earth quack or other natural disaster. They don't as much aid as some african nations because they sit ontop of seas of oil and natural gas. Why is it up to the west all the time? Why can the muslims give more aid to poor muslims. Lets just take the pallies for instance. The west gave them billions upon billions and what happened to that money? With all the money they got they should have every bit of inferstructure they need. They chose to build bombs instead of buildings with what was left affter the corruption got its massive cut. Now you have Iran spending untold amounts in arming the pallies and hamas and hezbula. Would that money be better spent on hospitals? Sadam gave money to families of suicide bombers. Could that same money have gone to build schools? Why is it the west that should bear the responcability? So many want to blame the west first for not doing enough but fail to look at the middle east and how it does nothing to help and alot to forther the suffering. So yes its all the wests fault all the wests respouncability and none of the blame goes to muslims.

I never said that we should give them money. I don't think they need money. I said that we shouldn't treat them like the inbred bastard nephew.

 

[Trajan12]

I never said that we should give them money. I don't think they need money. I said that we shouldn't treat them like the inbred bastard nephew.

What do we do to treat them any differently than everyone else? They have too many of those people who do things that just totally make you want to not be bothered with any of them. They are having an identity crisis and they need to be more active in who represents them, who they are, and what they stand for. If they do that they would get no worse treatment than the Canadians or the French.