Scenario Preview - The Great German Reich

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First of all, probably none of you will know me. I've never posted before and although i've followed the forums and mod packs made here for a while now i've never thought i'd need to post, but seeing i've begun to make a scenario I should post whats happening to it.

Second of all, this is a WIP. Most of the races and cities are done, though the US and Canada are tricky to finish because of the large land mass (especially with having done the Germans too).

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Imagine if 1942 had not been a turning point for the Allied Nations. The year is 1989, and the battles of El Alamein, Midway and Stalingrad that we know of were not the significant turning points we know of. D-Day, or what we know as D-Day never happened, the USSR and China never turned into the great Communist Superpowers during the Cold War, and 'peace' is secured in the Middle East.

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Instead of waging his ideological war with Russia in the summer of 1941, Hitler saw a huge oppurtunity in the deserts of Africa and the Middle East. Obliging to Rommels requests for more troop to be put towards his Afrika Korp, German and Italian troops break through British lines in Egypt in Summer 1941. At the same time, the neutrality of Turkey is violated, and German troops march to Istanbul. Turley subceeds and allows German troops to pass through its borders. Axis troops now surround the British Commonwealth forces in North West Africa, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan.

The Middle Eastern Nation's resistance crumbles under the German Panzers and are forced to agree with German demands for Oil and territory. With the Middle East secured, Germany has removed any British hope of assaulting the continent from the South, and Italy finally has its empire in Tunisia and Libya. The Great German Reich expands from Brest in France, to Tehran in Iran. Russia also now has two borders against German forces, and Hitler begins planning for 'Operation Barbarossa' for April 1942.

However, the Middle Eastern countries free of Nazi tyranny agree a pact. 'The League of Islamic Nations' (LIN) is formed between West Iran, Southern Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Palestine, Southern Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (free of British Imperial rule). Although Germany allows the organisation, it is aware that this may lead to a future war in case Islamic tensions rise over what many are calling the 'Western Crusade and Colonisation' of the Middle East.

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In late December 1941, the American island of Hawaii and its key military installation, 'Pearl Harbour' is secretly attacked by Japanese forces. Knowing that if Japan does not confront the US it will lose its hold in Asia, the Land of the Rising Sun puts everything into an attack against the US Navy Base. The US Navy Carriers, USS Saratoga, USS Enterprise, and USS Yorktown and USS Lexington are almost destroyed in the attack, and will take months to refit them. In this time, Japanese forces go on the offensive and fighter planes from their Carriers catch the rest of the American fleet at Midway.

Without an American intervention in the West Pacific, Japan easily conquers the Pacific islands, Burma and most of East Asia. With its border secured along the Russia Front, Japan gains its foothold it has always needed.

By spring 1942, Japanese forces prepare to storm Hawaii itself. By cutting off supplies from the US west coast, American soldiers, around 40,000 are cut off and Japanese soldiers storm the island after dealing the troops weeks of time without food. The battle of Hawaii lasts for two months, with heavily casualties on both sides, but without reinforcements or supplies, American troops finally succumb to the Japanese onslaught.

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With the war in the East going seriously badly, America reconsiders its war options. Instead of its 'War with Germany First', Roosevelt is forced to concentrate on the Pacific. British landlease is reduced, only a quarter of the promised American troops are sent to Britain, and because of American Fleets being sent to the Pacific in hope of a change of fortunes, German U-Boats reign supreme in the Atlantic, destroying both American and British shipping at will. Britain is on the brink of collapse, and without an Island to launch an invasion of the Fatherland from, the allies are ruined. Churchill suffers a stroke over the winter due to stress, and is forced from office due to ill health. Anthony Eden, British Foreign Minister, takes over and is immediately begins to search for a cease fire with Germany.

With Hitlers apparant security in the West secured, the German Wehrmacht turns towards Germany. With oil reserves almost quadrupled from oil wells in the Middle East, Army Group North heads towards Leningrad and Archangel, Army Group Moscow heading through Minsk and finally Moscow, and Army Group Volga towards Kiev and finally to link up with Rommel around Stalingrad. Rommel leads 'Army Group South' through the Caucasas, towards Stalingrad and Army Group Volga.

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On April 22nd, 1942, German Panzers break through Russian lines and race towards their targets. Infantry behind them close in gaps around the inferior Russian Divisions and deal heavy casualties and capture thousands of troops. Rommel waits until May 1st, and although fighting heavy guerilla warfare through the Caucasas mountains, finally breaks through and begins the drive to Stalingrad. By October 1942, Germany controls Stalingrad, Moscow, Leningrad and cities beyond. Only Archangel eludes them, protected by the remaining key Russia divisions.

Rumania and Finland also take part in the attack, with Rumanian forces conquering land along the Black Sea. Finland approaches Leningrad, but halts when German troops over run the city. Finnish armies also conquer Murmanks along Finnish borders, and push out Russian armies from inside the country.

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1942 ends quietly compared to the two previous years. Russian soldiers skirmish with German troops and all appears 'Quiet on the Western Front'. 1943 begins just as quiet.

However, this is shortlived.

In June, 1943, Operation Sledgehammer, the last ditch Allied invasion of mainland France to relieve pressure of the Russians takes place. British forces from the Middle East and fresh Canadian and American troops take part. Normandy is chosen as the target, and although Allied forces make reasonable gains against a weak German defence in Cherbourg and Caen, more experienced units rush to the battle, and quickly push back the Allied forces. It is the Allies worst defeat of the whole campaign.

Roosevelt is given a vote of no-confidence by Congress, and is replaced by Ted Dawney who proceeds to develop the Atom bomb in hope of preventing German expansion in the East. With news of its development through spies, Hitler orders the Vengeance project to be sped up. V1 and V2 rockets devastate British cities, and the V3, the first Inter-continental missile, is launched against New York on July 4th, 1943. It lands in Brooklyn, and although there is no nuclear payload, it shows that German abilities in rocketry are far in advance of America's decision to use bomber-planes to devlier atomic weapons.

However, American scientists soon catch up with German rocketry advances. America develops its first ICM tests it against Japan. With a new age of rocket delivered nuclear weapons, a stalemate is found in the war. American atomic weapons far outnumber German, but to launch a nuclear holocaust would mean the end of civilisation. After several months of each side practicing brinksmanship, President Dawney offers an ultimatum to Germany; talk of a peace deal between Allied and Axis forces, or both sides face total destruction.

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The Bern talks in neutral Switzerland are agreed upon, and staged between April and June, 1944. Representatives from America, Germany, Japan, Britian, France, Italy and other key nations attend the talks. However, the USSR is denied access by German troops because of the continuing conflict in the East. America and Germany, the key players, begin to debate over peace deals.

To the dismay of Eden, the British PM, the Empire of Britain is dissolved. However, Germany promises to help rebuild the war-torn country, hoping this involvement will influence the British people to one day accept National Socialism. In exchange, French and Belgian freedom is allowed from Germany, although Holland, Norway and Central Europe. Charles De Gaulle is elected French President, although to the dismay of Germany hoping that Marshall Petain would be re-elected.

America agrees to stop its expansion in the Pacific, for the return of the Hawaiin islands (although there was to be careful Japanese checks of military installations). Most of East Asia is kept by the Japanese, although China is allowed some independence.

With these decisions, the Second World War has ended almost 5 years after its beginning, and a Cold War is set to last between the Allies, now the 'United Nations of Freedom and Liberty' (UNFL) and the Axis Forces and its leader, 'The Great German Reich'.

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After the Bern talks the world erupted in 'mini-conflicts'. With German support, Fascist governments take power in Argentina and Chile in the early 1950s. They immediately join the Axis forces, and threaten a take over of Southern America. To combat this, the US enlists the remaining South American countries, headed by Brazil, to contain the expansion. They join the UNFL.

In Europe, terrorists from Yugoslavia and Russia strike German controlled cities and carry on guerilla tactics in the Serbian mountains, and Russian Urals. Communist uprisings in Yugoslavia and Greece, headed by 'Tito' are brutally crushed by German forces.

Spain also vies for control of Morocco with France. Niether wish to give up control of the country, and a 'colonial war' begins in 1958. Italy appears to begin to intervene, with Mussolini's brash thinking almost creating a 'Third World War' between the UNFL and Axis powers.

In the Middle East, the LIN and Islamic Fundamentalists begin pressurising German occupied Oil Fields. Suicide bombers target key German installations, and reach as far in Europe as Prague and Vienna, rocking German annexed cities with bombs. Turkey also faces terrorist attacks, blamed for not preventing a German onslaught in the Middle East. Both Georing and Himmler are assinated by terrorists in 1959, and Germany blames the LIN and Russian collaborators for the events. A new middle eastern conflict appears to have emerged.

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On the 3rd of November, 1961 Hitler dies. The allied world rejoices in the dictators end, only to see Reinhard Heydrich take power. The butcher of Jews (The Jews fate is not widely known to the world), makes new promises to destroy terrorist from the world.

However, Heydrich dies of old age 3 years later, and again a new German leader is announced. Erwin Rommel is announced Chancellor of Germany in 1964, and instead of beginning a new reign of terror, begins rebuliding relationships with the Allied forces. However, his relaxment on policies towards the West are unpopular, and an unsucessful coup (helped along by Germany's loss to England in the 1966 World Cup) forces Rommel to rethink his plans. Rommel ends investments into Britain (under PM Wilson, a left-wing detested by Nazi's), now a prosperous nation and a leading force in the creation of the European Union with France, and increases state security. Rommel is forced to reject membership of the EU, and continues a policy of agression towards the USSR and its 'terrorist' activites.

The US also begins to deploy nuclear missiles on the UK. With no world organisation to restrict nuclear development, countries such as Finland, Sweden, Italy and Span quickly produce there own.
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Little in the political world changes until 1989. Germany has brutally prevented a rebellion in the Middle East, pushed back the USSR beyond Archangel and made a 'cease-fire', although skirmishes still occur. The US is the worlds 2nd superpower, although no where on par with Germany in terms of military might. Germany still has an appalling human-rights record, with organisations such as the Red Cross refusing to help any German supported country with aid. The US successfully lands a man on the moon 3 weeks before Germany. However, Germany makes 10 visits in several days and by 1987, was already planning for missions to Mars and Jupiters moons.

Japan, lacking nuclear weapons (through Germans fears of their miss-use) and facing rebellions on mainland Asia and in Japan itself, appears to be crumbling. A huge power-void begins to appear in Asia needs to be filled in, and America begins to take the oppurtunity.

Ireland has managed to be reunified. Devastated protestants left Belfast and evacuated to North West England. Parliament passed the 'Irish Re-unification Act' in January 1972, after 12 unarmed Roman Catholic Civilians were supposedly shot by British troops, sparking mass protests and uprisings in what many were calling 'Bloody Sunday'. Irish Republicans, possibly supported by Germany, push British troops off the island. Margaret Thatcher, elected Prime Minister in 1978 begins by improving relations with Germany, and offers economic alliances with Germany accept, although attempts at making a German controlled Fascist government in Ireland fail.

In the Middle East, an Islamic fundamentalist named 'Bin Laden', has called for the LIN and Muslims everywhere to push back Germany and the from their homelands. Although many support his cause, they daren't go against the Germans, who have huge forces guarding oil refineries there.
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That is the basic outline for the scenario's I'm making. I originally intended to make two. One for Europe in 1989, and one for the Pacific with the collapse of the Japanese Empire and America's expansion.

However, I though of expanding the amount. I'll probably make a Middle Eastern scenario to show Germany's confrontation with the League of Islamic Nations, and perhaps others based on events earlier in the timeline (Spain vs France, with possibly entry of Italy; Expansion of National Socialism in S. America; German invasion of Middle East) though this really does depend on time.
 
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Anyway, at the moment i'm focusing on the European Scenario.

So far there are 16 playable nations:

  • Italian Empire - Controls Italy, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Tunisia, Malta and Libya
  • Portugal - Controls Portugal and The Azores
  • Sweden
  • Great German Reich - Controls Germany, Holland, Norway, Austria, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Greece, European Turkey, Western Russia, Caucasas region, Egypt, and parts of Middle East
  • USSR - Only a few cities
  • USA - USA, 'occupied' Iceland and 'occupied' Greenland
  • France - France, Morocco, Algeria
  • Belgium
  • Canada
  • Great Britain - Britain and Cyprus
  • Spain - Spain, Northern parts of Morocco
  • Finland - Finland, North East Norway and parts of Russia from the White Sea (Arctic) to the Gulf of Finland (Baltic)
  • Turkey
  • Ireland - Both Republic and Northern Island
  • League of Islamic Nations (Western) - Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Lebanon
  • Rumania - Romania, Moldova and area around Odessa

Hopefully each side will all have their own units (British and Americans already do) although i'll be using the normal Civ3/PTW graphics and nothing new. They'll also be a few new governments, hopefully new technologies.

The scenario begins in January 1989 with a meeting near Casablanca in Morocco between key European, Middle Eastern and N. American leaders being attacked by terrorists.

I'm using Risbinroch's 'WWII Scenario Map - North America, Europe and North Africa', so he gets full credit for doing a substantial amount of the work :goodjob: He's given me permission to use it. Thanks!

Also, i'd like to mention most of the inspiration (and crazy idea's) are taken from the novel 'Fatherland', by Robert Harris, and essay's of Allied/Axis military operations during WW2 by John Keegan, Theodore F. Cook, Elihu Rose, and Stephen E. Ambrose, which can all be found in the book What If?' edited by Robert Cowley.

Though before you get any crazy idea into your head I would've like a German victory in WW2 I don't. I'm totally against people such as Hitler, and many of the issues in the scenario I believe can act as warning future generations of the terrible consequences caused by Hitlers madness. Think of it more as showing how close we came to not only losing the war, but losing international stability and liberty. However, some events to echo what happens in real life (Such as Bloody Sunday, Englands football win :D, and a prospect of a Middle Eastern crisis over oil in the 1990's), and how close the Allied forces came to being suppressed by Fascist forces.

Hopefully this scenario will be out before the end of Easter, as i'll have a significant amount of time to work on it during the holidays :)

I'll get some screenies out in a minute.
 
An edited map of Europe that I based the game on.

*Ignore the fact that Turkey has the Axis allies colour. Its not supposed to be pink, rather its own colour.
 

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Nope!
 
Sounds great! Maybe Italy should have Albania?

And if you're into Alternative History, you should really buy lots of books by Harry Turtledove. Probably found in your local SF bookstore. PM me if you want some more specific book tips.
 
If germany occupies all of the western Russia it should also occupy France etc.
I think you should leave the German Reich (Das Deutsche 3.Reich) as germany austria,switzerland, Poland , denmark, Yugoslawia, Ukraine (all the back then, german speaken countries! +france)
 
Sounds great! I'll play as Finland and "liberate" Sweden ASAP. Then to Norway and Iceland ;)
 
I think it's unlikely that Germany would give up all of territorial France. The most likely border revisions would be the return of Alsace-Lorraine and possibly some small adjacent areas that are important economically or strategically.

@Bidyah...Austria, Switzerland and roughly half of Stalin's Poland's Borders were German speaking countries. Others which you didn't mention would be the Northern part of Holstein which was in denmark, more than less in Alsace-Lorraine, Luxemburg, Sudetenland in chechzoslovakia, Southern Tirol in italy, and small bordering minorities in neighboring countries. In Yugoslavia there might at best have been some small German communities as remnants from Austrian days. The Ukraine is out of the ballpark from being German speaking. During late WW2, and afterwards, the millions of german refugees fleeing from eastern european stalinism have made left only Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Luxemburg as predominantly german-speaking without any great german majorities outside these borders.
 
Germany had to give up France or suffer mutually assured destruction from the USA's nukes. :)

I REALLY like this story, its well-written.
 
Shady YES I know this:)
even though denmark was conquered by germany anyway
Hitler said "Every country that speaks german shall be (belong to) German(y)"
roughly translated...
(that's how they figured what countries to unite to form germany)
well I guess you misunderstood me, I never said just bc theiy speak german they Belonged to germany, but to 98% that was the case
Others which you didn't mention would be the Northern part of Holstein which was in denmark
:goodjob: (Schleswig-) Holstein is german :) , except of denmark,duh :)
Sudetenland in chechzoslovakia as I said was pretty much german ... I mean ever read "Night" by Elie Wiesel ? :)
Did I write Ukraine ?? I think I meant Hungaryhere this is used to be part of germany !
But I think they lost that after the versaille treaty, just as many other "countries/colonies" parts of germany, which hitler reconquered and broke the Versaille treaty
aight I found now a good picture of the territory of the 3.Reich

FOR the SCENARIO though I would leave it as Germany and IF part of Poland... or does the scenario take later place after all the "land" is conquered?
 
I took an Eastern European History class last semester and I found out all sorts of things about ancient Europe I had no idea about. Now during the early middle ages in E. Europe, it was most empty space, lots of room on the plains. Local kings and warlords wanted riches from this empty land but they couldnt organize their own poeple enough to live there and use the resources to make money. So what happened was they recruited the most eager and industrious poeple at the time, Germans. Sometimes whole towns would be transplanted and put in these previously empty plains. The immigrants could keep many of the rights and systems of government that they had back home. They would be the mercantile and manufacturing class, living in little universes surrounded by poor slavic serfs that were little better than slaves. The two worlds would VERY rarely interract so up until the 20th century there would be wholy german speaking pockets scattered throughout eastern europe because hundreds of years ago german pioneers settled them at the behest of local kings in order to create a tax base. This ended after ww2 with the forced relocation of many of these poeple, mostly by USSR, so that the "Hitler" fascination about uniting germans wherever would not happen again. Ideas would spread much more than blood, so the serfs got some ideas what freedom could be like because they had never known any other life. This was the first hint of a rights and self-government movement among the serfs.

I hope I explained why there were bits of german litteraly anywhere. Now, am I German myself because I seem to be idolizing them as pioneers? NO. I am a history major, but more importantly I am Polish. I dislike Russians and I dont trust German, for historical reasons.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. Its been really helpful!

Just to answer a few of your questions:

@emu, Bidyah, Shady
I put the main reason for French independence for the end of the British Empire. Britain was made to give up its Empire (which it would probably lose within 30 years like in our world) with probable strong US pressure so the French could be free. The US could view France as a more valuable ally, more than Great Britain being so close to Germany.

I'll think about the moving the border though. Any ideas to what extent?

@mrtn
Thanks, i'll look into that :)

@Bidyah
The scenario takes place in 1989, so all the 'land' will have been conquered and agreements made.

I've tried to make the scenario seem slightly historically possible but the amount of things that could've happened are just endless so creating a defining one is very hard. I've tried to make it interesting by combining the story with it.
 
Nope!
 
Which countries exactly have nukes?
 
@emu
France still has Morocco and Algeria. The US wouldn't really want them to lose France's control over those countries as to apply pressure to the Italian and German forces in N.Africa.

If anyone wanted France to lose its Empire it would be Germany, but Britains control over its Empire was lost.

@immortal
Which ever countries have Uranium will be able to bulid ICBMs. Germany has its own, the V6 and V7 (ICMB and tactical respectively) which are slightly more improved. However, nukes are going to be quite expensive, as its reasonably unfeasable that Sweden would have anywhere near the amount of the US or Germany. At the moment, these countries can build nukes:

  • Germany
  • France
  • Britain
  • Sweden
  • Spain
  • USA
  • Canada

Though I don't expect to have countries such as Sweden and Spain to start with nukes, they will have the ability to either build them or sell the uranium to other countries. Basically the lack of the UN allows countries to obtain nukes without much of the international community preventing them. For instance, Germany might sell Uranium to Romania and Finland, but the US can't stop them unless they want a full scale nuke war.
 
Nope!
 
First of all, probably none of you will know me. I've never posted before and although i've followed the forums and mod packs made here for a while now i've never thought i'd need to post, but seeing i've begun to make a scenario I should post whats happening to it.

Emu, read that. He says that he's started it. I think its obvious that its far from finished. :)

Bongo, this is shaping up to be an excellent scenario, I await its completion.

I see no reason to modify the Franco-German border, as was stated before, France had to be restored for WWII to end. Germany still was able to keep a GOOD chunk of Europe, I'd say they certainly came out ahead in the end, even without any of France.
 
Well, a key aim of capturing France was to prevent there being any strong Western Front, meaning Germany could focus on its war with Russia to gain the Ukrainian plains for food, and the Russian oil reserves (as well as those captured in the Middle East). I expect Germany wouldn't think as France as much of a threat along its borders, especially when it would have several hundred nukes pointed at every major French city.
 
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