boneys26
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Dale said:Happens to me with boneys files too every now and again when he forgets about his own units.
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not had any problems yet in vanilla mod or warlords mate
[SDK] Dale's Combat Mod!
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not had any problems yet in vanilla mod or warlords mate
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""But I still see this flicker when ending a turn, the screen does an annoying "refresh" kind of action, which makes the map go black for a split second.
I also notice it sometimes when AI initiates diplomacy between turns. All the terrain tiles go black, but the outline is kept. Looks rather weird. Anyone that can tell me what is going on?""
Its what your useing for graphics try and update your drivers if you have a card. If your useing a chip set buy a card i have the same problem with civ moded or not
doesn't hurt game play but looks like theres a problem
I also notice it sometimes when AI initiates diplomacy between turns. All the terrain tiles go black, but the outline is kept. Looks rather weird. Anyone that can tell me what is going on?""
Its what your useing for graphics try and update your drivers if you have a card. If your useing a chip set buy a card i have the same problem with civ moded or not
doesn't hurt game play but looks like theres a problem
Immacolata
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Unmodded, or running with another mod, there are no problems. I am using Catalyst 6.8 drivers, but it also happens with 6.4.
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Chieftain
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i havent gone out and bought a video card so i'm used to this stuff
the damn chipsets are so out of date its pethetic and good luck trying to find drivers for them that are not more than a couple years old i finally found moded drivers that fixed all my major graphics problems i still get the same stuff as you but whats funny is when the map go's black i just minimize the screen then bring it back up and its gone i'd like that one explained to me
the damn chipsets are so out of date its pethetic and good luck trying to find drivers for them that are not more than a couple years old i finally found moded drivers that fixed all my major graphics problems i still get the same stuff as you but whats funny is when the map go's black i just minimize the screen then bring it back up and its gone i'd like that one explained to me
boneys26
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Immacolata said:
I haven't tried the Catalyst 6.8 drivers I've had to go back to 5.11 for some strange reason they work better and as for 6.7 catalyst worst driver i've ever had full of 3D bugs
Immacolata
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My card is pretty state of the art, Radeon X1900XT. Works flawlessly with all games, even Civ 4. Except when running Dale's combat mod. Then the terrain tiles refresh very oddly and noticeably between turns by going black, then refresh again for a split second. Super annoying >.<
Anjin Sushi
Chieftain
Graet idea and work Dale. However:
Does this mean that if 3 swordsman attacks a longbowman, the battle could easily not be won? Since only one of the swordsmen really attacks the longbowman, and then the battle ends. If this is the case, can the swordsmen that havent moved , attack again , since they werent in a battle?
Another comment. Is it realistic that defending ranged units (archers) aims for the opponents archers. Wouldn't the attackers ranged unit normally stay out opf range, so the defending archers would aim for the charging melee units?
Otherwise great work, even though I have some problem making it work. It seems my large stacks, which normally would win without problems get defeated to small defending city stacks. But maybe I just need to change my stacks content when I get the hang of the new system.
Does this mean that if 3 swordsman attacks a longbowman, the battle could easily not be won? Since only one of the swordsmen really attacks the longbowman, and then the battle ends. If this is the case, can the swordsmen that havent moved , attack again , since they werent in a battle?
Another comment. Is it realistic that defending ranged units (archers) aims for the opponents archers. Wouldn't the attackers ranged unit normally stay out opf range, so the defending archers would aim for the charging melee units?
Otherwise great work, even though I have some problem making it work. It seems my large stacks, which normally would win without problems get defeated to small defending city stacks. But maybe I just need to change my stacks content when I get the hang of the new system.
boneys26
BTS Play session tester
Immacolata said:
AS with all mods fraxis gave us the SDK but not the code for the graphics engine so while we can make mods or edit the game we can not do any thing with the way the graphics engine handles new things although it may be annoying its not making the game crash nor is it getting in the way of your turn. most of the time i'm up out my seat while the AI has a turn so i don't notice it.. but untill fraxis take on dales idea's were going to have to play round it
Quetz
The Tallest Lilliputian
I would love to give this a whirl but the comments about small stacks crushing big ones are kinda scaring me. (see Anjin Sushi's posts above)
rockinroger
WoC Team Member
Just a update. Ive tried this mod with warlords also. It did crash once but i think thats because i played for like 15 hours straight and my computer was tired. that was Sunday, when i played from same point tonite it worked fine. so as of now its running good. good job!! especially the combat much better with ranged cats and trebs.
rockinroger
WoC Team Member
Oh i forgot. I am going to try this mod for regular civ 4 tommorrow. see if starting a new game fixes what ever was causing crash
Been playing with the mod for a few hrs now..seems most of my probs went away...maybe something was conflicting(?). Tho I also get the stalled animation on the end of the turn, but I found that if you go back to before the end of the turn, and enable 'quick offense and defense' in the options menu the stall no longer happens. Hope this helps.
And besides that I also noticed I am in 900AD and no warlords units yet. Am hoping these bigger issues get cleaned up in 1.03. Thanks again for the mod.
And besides that I also noticed I am in 900AD and no warlords units yet. Am hoping these bigger issues get cleaned up in 1.03. Thanks again for the mod.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
OK played my first game of Warlords with your mod and got a stall right away, plus i noticed that the barbarians go after the weakess unit in a town to fight??
Was playing as the Americans am sending files to help.
Was playing as the Americans am sending files to help.
Snerk
Smeghead
sweetpete said:
Can anybody help me on this question?
Also,
How do you use fighters when attacking with a stack?
I mean, fighters can only base in cities, how do you include them in an attacking stack in the field?
Maybe someone can give me some general information on how stack attack works in this mod. I've read the first post but there are some stuff i stilll dont understand. But i will try my first game this this mod now and perhaps i'll understand it some more then.
Thanks for any replies...
Quetz
The Tallest Lilliputian
suggestion: Missiles shouldnt be able to transfer/do recon. They should have to be loaded in towns onto ships or launched from a silo improvement (from RogerBacon's Flying mod)
boneys26
BTS Play session tester
sweetpete said:
I'm not sure about fighters being in a land unit stack (never tried it always used them to protect cities) but if you load them into a carrier then put that carrier in a stack of naval ships the fighters are then part of that stack and if attacked or attacking they too are used,
In my land stacks i put a least 1 unit from the unit list, my list for my stack modern 2x modern tanks 2x mobile infantry 2x sam units 2x marines 1x gunship (or more) that way i have protection for most attacks. but i have noticed the AI loves to stack mobile infantry and are very good at using them
all in all make sure you know what the AI has and plan against it spies are good for this also whith this mod its harder to fight a battle and hair pulling hard to fight 2 at once
Dale
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Sorry I haven't been in to reply recently. Been really busy on other things the last few days. However when I get time I will reply to all.
Just quickly though:
Immacolatta:
The graphics engine gets quite a workout with this mod. You might have been just under the limit normally but this mod pushes you over the limit. That would explain why it works fine in other mods/vanilla.
Dale
Just quickly though:
Immacolatta:
The graphics engine gets quite a workout with this mod. You might have been just under the limit normally but this mod pushes you over the limit. That would explain why it works fine in other mods/vanilla.
Dale
I have downloaded the mod for Warlords and gotten into a small war just to see how it plays out.
I am very excited about getting to know this mod. Like everyone else, I have questions though.
If an attacker attacks a group of defenders on a tile, will those defenders behave as a stacked army if they have not been grouped by the player/AI? For example, if my units are all sent to a rally point, and fortified when they arrive, will they count as a stack if attacked at some point? Does being in a city effect this?
After some attacks, some of my stack will not have used any of their movement points. Reading through these forums, it seems that this could be a result of that unit not having had a melee "buddy" to fight against on the opposing line. Is this correct?
How do unit specific promotions play out in combat? Do the units get randomly shuffled in combat, and you just have to hope that your Shock, Combat III axeman winds up fighting an enemy sword instead of an enemy Shock Horse Archer? Not understanding this, I am tempted to go with nothing but Combat and City Raider promotions.
How does the Barrage promotion work, with collateral damage having been removed as we know it?
Am I correct in understanding that unless you bring units from different "lines" into an army stack there is no benefit in combat to grouping units? What I mean by that is, if there are two armies of nothing but axemen, the final result won't really be different if they fight one by one or as a group, will it? Throwing a couple of archers into one side will make a difference though, because archers occupy a different "line." Am I understanding this?
Will ranged units "step up" to the front lines? I had a two archer stack make neat work of an enemy axeman, so I assume one of them was "frontline" and one was "ranged."
In the same archer/axeman battle I just mentioned, one of my archers died but I didn't see a combat log event telling me so.
And lastly, what are the odds we could one day get a "stacked Combat" tab on the event log? What I would like to see is a list of how the matchups happened without all the clutter of individual combat rounds and damages. One stacked combat can make the regular combat log very difficult to interpret. I picture something that details the four lines for each side, then describes the damage done to each side in each phase of combat.
I am very excited about getting to know this mod. Like everyone else, I have questions though.
If an attacker attacks a group of defenders on a tile, will those defenders behave as a stacked army if they have not been grouped by the player/AI? For example, if my units are all sent to a rally point, and fortified when they arrive, will they count as a stack if attacked at some point? Does being in a city effect this?
After some attacks, some of my stack will not have used any of their movement points. Reading through these forums, it seems that this could be a result of that unit not having had a melee "buddy" to fight against on the opposing line. Is this correct?
How do unit specific promotions play out in combat? Do the units get randomly shuffled in combat, and you just have to hope that your Shock, Combat III axeman winds up fighting an enemy sword instead of an enemy Shock Horse Archer? Not understanding this, I am tempted to go with nothing but Combat and City Raider promotions.
How does the Barrage promotion work, with collateral damage having been removed as we know it?
Am I correct in understanding that unless you bring units from different "lines" into an army stack there is no benefit in combat to grouping units? What I mean by that is, if there are two armies of nothing but axemen, the final result won't really be different if they fight one by one or as a group, will it? Throwing a couple of archers into one side will make a difference though, because archers occupy a different "line." Am I understanding this?
Will ranged units "step up" to the front lines? I had a two archer stack make neat work of an enemy axeman, so I assume one of them was "frontline" and one was "ranged."
In the same archer/axeman battle I just mentioned, one of my archers died but I didn't see a combat log event telling me so.
And lastly, what are the odds we could one day get a "stacked Combat" tab on the event log? What I would like to see is a list of how the matchups happened without all the clutter of individual combat rounds and damages. One stacked combat can make the regular combat log very difficult to interpret. I picture something that details the four lines for each side, then describes the damage done to each side in each phase of combat.
