Serial rapist may only serve 9 years

[Valka D'Ur]

Jesus christ, what is with you people? When did I say "if he rapes one time, it's acceptable"? I never said anything about "acceptable excuse". The only thing "old fashioned" going on here is some people living in the pre-historic times where they're illiterate and can't actually read what other people are saying.

I said: The punishment for raping once should not be the same as the punishment for raping multiple times.

That doesn't mean no punishment at all for one rape. In fact, if you read what I actually said (instead of putting words in my mouth, as usual) you'd see that I said 10 years for one single rape, which is far harsher than the law actually is, with multiple rapes being a minimum of 30 years. You people are absurd with your false accusations against me.

I wonder why you all jump at me when I actually agree with you, I suppose I was "asking for it".

Simmer down, 'k? I didn't see your conversation with the others, and only replied to your comment about not caring about the excuse for multiple instances. It appeared that you were saying that one time was more okay or less reprehensible than multiple times.

 

[caketastydelish]

Well, the punishment for one time should be less than the punishment for multiple times. I honestly don't see how anyone could say otherwise.

edit: The point is, otherwise there'd be no stack value.

 

[classical_hero]

This is why we should be punishing people and not trying to rehabilitate, as the current system is built upon.
http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/adrian-bayleys-reign-of-terror-how-the-system-failed-us-20150326-1m6aj3.html.html?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Afac-14omn0013-optim-nnn%3Anonpaid-25%2F06%2F2014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-smh-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook
This case is about the rape and murder of Jill Meagher by a guy who had been convicted numerous times of rape and violent behaviour and yet was on bail at the time he committed the crime after only committing a violent crime a few months beforehand. We just don't treat rape seriously enough when punishing people.

 

[caketastydelish]

I honestly don't see how you can 'rehabilitate' someone if they're a rapist as opposed to some other felonies, such as robbery.

If someone steals to make money you can teach them a trade skill in jail and then they have a steady job when they leave. People aren't raping for money, they rape because they're sadistic- it's harder to change a person from within than change their circumstances (as would be applicable with some other kinds of felonies).

 

[JollyRoger]

This is why we should be punishing people and not trying to rehabilitate, as the current system is built upon.

Rehabilitation goes back at least to Cain.

 

[Akka]

I honestly don't see how you can 'rehabilitate' someone if they're a rapist as opposed to some other felonies, such as robbery.

If someone steals to make money you can teach them a trade skill in jail and then they have a steady job when they leave. People aren't raping for money, they rape because they're sadistic- it's harder to change a person from within than change their circumstances (as would be applicable with some other kinds of felonies).

You're mixing rapists and psychopaths.
There is obviously overlapping, but it's not the same population nevertheless.

 

[caketastydelish]

You mean sociopaths? And how are they not the same?

 

[Akka]

You mean sociopaths? And how are they not the same?

I mean psychopath.
And they are not the same because, despite Hollywood clichés, not every criminal is a psychopath (and not every psychopath is a criminal either).

 

[Farm Boy]

I'd still posit that most rapists, according to our definition of rape, receive consent retroactively and are never considered as criminal individuals. Though, for a period of time, they most likely were.

 

[caketastydelish]

I mean psychopath.
And they are not the same because, despite Hollywood clichés, not every criminal is a psychopath (and not every psychopath is a criminal either).

Psychopath is someone with problems from within, mostly delusional beliefs. Sociopath is someone that has problems centered around other people (such as the belief that raping others is acceptable).

 

[Akka]

Psychopath is someone with problems from within, mostly delusional beliefs. Sociopath is someone that has problems centered around other people (such as the belief that raping others is acceptable).

A psychopath is not delusional, he's unable to feel empathy.
A sociopath is more often than not the result of trauma or troubled past.

The first one is not rehabilitable (because the lack of empathy is most probably inherent - it's the brain which is hampered, so there is no way to "fix", the person might learn to mimicry what's expected, but he'll not feel it).
The second might be (the sociopathic behaviour being more often than not a result of his past, there is the possibility to "teach" him about correcting his problem).

Hence your claim rapists are not rehabilitable is simply mixing psychopathy with rape, which is false and was exactly what I was pointing.