CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
ha ha, very funny, not.
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Sex, Drinking, Cars, Kids and Laws
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ha ha, very funny, not.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Ohh, T.M.I!
no, it's hilarious.
CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
I fail to see what is funny about it, but anyway, this thread has been derailed! I hope someone can put it back on track.
Rulle_Kebab
Warlord
Toput it back on the rail...
The sexual knowledge of poeple might be very off.... now I don't know about the USA but here in Denmark you hear a lot of silly things(to us danish people bear in mind) about the USA and about what people believe or what the government imposes.
Is it that religion is the only deterrent? Don't you honeslty believe that with more information in for example the third world there would be less spread of diseases?
Spread of diseases in genereal here, meaning both STDs and other kind of diseases?
The sexual knowledge of poeple might be very off.... now I don't know about the USA but here in Denmark you hear a lot of silly things(to us danish people bear in mind) about the USA and about what people believe or what the government imposes.
Is it that religion is the only deterrent? Don't you honeslty believe that with more information in for example the third world there would be less spread of diseases?
Spread of diseases in genereal here, meaning both STDs and other kind of diseases?
Stds spread here almost as fast a gal wearing a purity ring.
Many conservatives have dreamed up this idea that giving teens factual information about sex is equal to giving them permission to have sex. And so any information at all has to be kept from them. That is the reason that the abstinence only education is such an amazingly spectacular failure. The teens that receive that simply do not have any facts to use to make a decision.
"You must abstain"
"Abstain from what, exactly?"
"We can't let you know that."
"Abstain from what, exactly?"
"We can't let you know that."
Rulle_Kebab
Warlord
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we teach them more or less the opposite.
That sex is a wonderfull thing. That sex is something to enjoy and that it is something we all can have and like and find even funny and heck even something we encourage!
Encourage under the right circumsances ofcourse!
Hell wear a condom dude! It is not many sexual diseases that are vibrant and active in Denmark that can't be held off by wearing a condom!
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Got your attention. I have a few questions of fact and opinions.
1) A question of law. We all know there is an age of consent but I often read people saying that it is illegal to have sex under this age. That is not my interpretation but simply that it is illegal for someone over that age to have sex with someone under it. Is that true (In the US or your country)? I have never heard of 2 15 yr olds being charged with what having illegal sex. And if the surveys of teen sexual activity are correct this is never reported as the massive crime wave it would be.
2) What is the drinking age in your country? That is, at what age can you go into a store or restaurant w/o a parent and buy alcohol legally or culturally (ie it is technically illegal but no one cares)? What age do you think it should be?
3) At what age can you drive a motor vehicle alone? What age do you think it should be?
4) What does your country do with juvenile offenders and what age is considered a juvenile? Is it a strict cutoff or flexible? Too harsh or too lenient?
How does your system work out for your country? Do you have a lot of juvenile crime? Is there a lot of drunk driving? Drunk teens getting into trouble?
So in the US as many have pointed out we have a crazy system where 12 yr olds can be charged as adults and sentenced to death while 20 yr olds are not mature enough to drink and 17 yr olds cannot consent to sex with their 18 yr old BF. Everyone drives at 16 and if there was one age I would raise it would be that. I dont know the statistics but the impression from the news is that we have lots of juvenile crime, lots of drug and alcohol related car deaths, lots of teen pregnancies, it seems a rather ineffective system. On the one hand people want to protect and infantilize kids for much too long (21 for alcohol) and on the other we get off on being as punitive as possible when kids do something wrong esp. serious crimes. Combine that with puritanical views on sex and you get the hodgepodge mess we have.
1) Don't really know the specifics, but I don't know of any cases being prosecuted.
2) Light drinks (beer) from the age of 16, at 18 you can drink anything. Culturally, people could start drinking from, let's say, 14. But I think the trend is to be stricter about this, with concerns over young drinkers.
3) 18. There are plans to allow 17-yos to get a special licence where they can drive under supervision of a parent. (I believe this is what they do in Germany.) I think that's good, letting them get experience will improve their driving. One thing to mention here might be that public transport is pretty good and most people can get to school/work by bike too, so getting a drivers licence is less important. Because of various taxes and insurance, driving is pretty expensive so most people get their first car when they start working full time, not during their study.
4) Ooh, I don't really know. I believe the trend is to be stricter towards young offenders, with our current right-wing government. I believe most young offenders tend to get Community Service and their criminal records are deleted/archived when they come of age, so it doesn't hurt their chance to get employed.
Drunk driving is reducing. Previous generations thought that drinking a little and driving was okay, but public awareness campaigns have mostly removed that notion.
innonimatu
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In Portugal:
1) No one really seems to care about an exact consent age, though I believe that it is officially 16. Unless there is a complaint by anyone involved, of course. Which is the sensible thing to do: punish actual crimes against people's will, not what people willfully do.
2) Another one no one really cares about. Officially I believe that it is also 16, which means that supposedly alcoholic drinks cannot be sold to anyone under that age. Never saw it applied. Some night clubs and the like may occasionally put on some effort to pretend to comply with it.
3) 18, for cars.
4) Not sure whether it is 16 or 18. Never seemed to be a problem here.
Our judicial/police system ends up being unusually permissive (or, in a less sympathetic view, incapable) compared to that of most other countries. Not sure why it turned out this way, and there are people who keep complaining about it. Me, I like it this way, even if it does means it is also permissive with corruption, etc.
1) No one really seems to care about an exact consent age, though I believe that it is officially 16. Unless there is a complaint by anyone involved, of course. Which is the sensible thing to do: punish actual crimes against people's will, not what people willfully do.
2) Another one no one really cares about. Officially I believe that it is also 16, which means that supposedly alcoholic drinks cannot be sold to anyone under that age. Never saw it applied. Some night clubs and the like may occasionally put on some effort to pretend to comply with it.
3) 18, for cars.
4) Not sure whether it is 16 or 18. Never seemed to be a problem here.
Our judicial/police system ends up being unusually permissive (or, in a less sympathetic view, incapable) compared to that of most other countries. Not sure why it turned out this way, and there are people who keep complaining about it. Me, I like it this way, even if it does means it is also permissive with corruption, etc.
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