[RD] LGBTQ News II

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Are we just going to replace otherwise "being in disguise" with "transgenderism" in historical discourse?

Moderator Action: Attempting to pathologise queer identities is considered trolling. Do not do this again. ~ Arakhor

 

[Ordnael]

Maybe Mulan is a transgender as well!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Are we just going to replace otherwise "being in disguise" with "transgenderism" in historical discourse?

The word "transgenderism" is a massive red flag for me.

Maybe Mulan is a transgender as well!

Maybe, maybe Mulan was non binary in todays terminology? You got a problem with that?

 

[Arakhor]

According to legend, Marina entered a monastery as Marinos and was later accused of fathering a child with an innkeeper's daughter. Rather than explain why this was impossible, Marinos admitted fault and was expelled for ten years, raising the child with sheep's milk, before re-entering the monastery and accepting heavy labour as penance for his supposed sin. His actual sex was not discovered till after death, plus other hagiographical shenanigans that obviously didn't happen. Then again, pointless suffering to show your devotion to God was a big thing in early Christian circles.

 

[Evie]

While it's hard to say with any great certainty any specific historical figure was transgender because there *could* be other explanations, and different cultural expectations may mean we miss nuances of some of those situations and claiming all of them without discrimination is a little ridiculous, it's infinitely more ridiculous to look at all those figures and conclude "Nah, gender dysphoria and being more at ease assuming a gender other than the one you were born with is a modern invention, not a long-established part of human nature".

And yet...

 

[IglooDame]

Are we just going to replace otherwise "being in disguise" with "transgenderism" in historical discourse?

Are you one of those people that, when told that two women (usually one of them a historical figure, or prior to say the 1980s some woman in the family and her 'friend') were inseparable lifelong friends, lived together, they were like sisters, etc etc etc and resolutely avoiding the fact that they were almost certainly lesbian lovers?

 

[choxorn]

Well obviously they were just roommates.

For 67 years.

And had only one bed.

Yep, just roommates!

 

[Evie]

Close friends, besties, roommates, colleagues
Anything but lovers

 

[danjuno]

The word "transgenderism" is a massive red flag for me.

The only time I've ever heard it used is by right-wingers to label LGBT people wanting to be allowed to exist as an "ideology". Wow, what a radical ideology, wanting to not be murdered or forced to hide in fear?

 

[Ordnael]

Maybe, maybe Mulan was non binary in todays terminology? You got a problem with that?

Why would I have a problem with your opinion?
IMHO I don't think she was [shuffles deck] gender fluid. You got a problem with that?

Are you one of those people that, when told that two women (usually one of them a historical figure, or prior to say the 1980s some woman in the family and her 'friend') were inseparable lifelong friends, lived together, they were like sisters, etc etc etc and resolutely avoiding the fact that they were almost certainly lesbian lovers?

I think believing them to be lesbians lovers makes it them more interesting in my, not at all without it's healthy dose of pervert, mind than just lifelong friends!
Heck, I would rather go with lesbian lovers from the beginning of any story.

 

[choxorn]

Okay, fine, pretend it's two longtime male "buddies" cohabiting, or being more friendly towards each other than Achilles and Patroclus. Are you still going to see them as lovers, or is your mind now going to be avoiding that fact because it can't get off to it anymore?

 

[Ordnael]

Got a problem with my sexual preferences?

 

[Evie]

I don't think the problem is with your sexual preference so much as questioning whether you would recognize and accept historical queerness if it's not related to your interests, given the way you phrased your statement, and the relative commonality of "lesbians are okay because they're hot but gays are not" in its many, many, many, many forms.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Why would I have a problem with your opinion?
IMHO I don't think she was [shuffles deck] gender fluid. You got a problem with that?


I think believing them to be lesbians lovers makes it them more interesting in my, not at all without it's healthy dose of pervert, mind than just lifelong friends!
Heck, I would rather go with lesbian lovers from the beginning of any story.

Why are you in this thread stirring up trouble?

 

[Lexicus]

Got a problem with my sexual preferences?

Sorry, I did not realize you were 14

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The only time I've ever heard it used is by right-wingers to label LGBT people wanting to be allowed to exist as an "ideology". Wow, what a radical ideology, wanting to not be murdered or forced to hide in fear?

I've asked this before, but what would be the correct word that is equivalent to "homosexuality", for example, then? Is "write a longer sentence" the only option?

Also would albinism be considered an "ideology"? Lesbianism?

 

[Evie]

It's a valid question - back when the term was transsexual we had transsexuality, but we did not really update that word for transgender, leaving us with a bit of a hole. I suppose the logical choice would be transgenderity (with the bonus that it can be read as a shorthand of transgender identity), since -ty is the usual suffix for expressing a quality or inherent trait, something that's just "who we are", but it feels awkward because it's so little used.

But "ism", a suffix implying a system of belief, really isn't a way to describe what people *are*.

 

[Lexicus]

Transness is the term I feel like I've seen people use

 

[Manfred Belheim]

But "ism", a suffix implying a system of belief, really isn't a way to describe what people *are*.

Well... tell that to lesbians then? Unless I missed an update, "lesbianism" is an acceptable gender-specific version of "homosexuality" isn't it? Perhaps it isn't anymore and I genuinely did miss an update (more than possible), but I still don't think you'd accuse anyone of implying an ideology if they used the term. Unless they're prefacing it with some other word like "political".

 

[Cloud_Strife]

WTH is a "trans ideology"?