~ SG: Utopia of Babylon ~

I'm at work now. Will try to play when I get home.:)

(It'll be be tough though. I've had a rough day and I'd rather fight it out with the Germans than build a granery.)

Hey, BTW, what is a granery?:confused:

I'M JUST KIDDING!:lol:
 
Guys, I had a brutal 12 hour day at work, and Im dog tired.
I'll post more tomorow, I cant even think straight right now.

I will say this for now:

Forget war. Lets flip the German cities.
All those extra units can be disbanded for shields in cities trying to build improvements.

donsig-
The city by Hannover and Munich is CRUCIAL!
Library and temple ASAP!!!

Sirian is right, I wandered from the path a little. Old habits die hard. :D
However, in my defense, I did build over a dozen city improvements, extra wonders and most of those workers during my turn.

I'll be back after work tomorow. See ya then.
Goodnight.
 
Ibbi-Sin, a distant descendant of Hammurabi the Lawgiver, was chosen as Prime Minister in 560 AD. That same year a grain storage facility was completed in Shun-Kharand. Ibbi-Sin, a very religious man, was dismayed by the current internal improvement program in the republic. He argued before Parliament that courthouses were not needed since Hammurabi's Code had served Babylon well for centuries. Libraries were not needed, either. Was not the purpose of the Great Library to store all the knowledge known to man? With these arguments Ibbi-Sin inaguarated a great program of temple and cathedral building in the republic. This highly successful program would be continued for almost a hundred years:

570: Temple built in Pristine Beach
580: Temple built in Friendly Forest
590: Temple built in Glacier Valley
600: Cathedral built in Fishpond
610: Cathedral built in Shun-Taresh
620: Cathedral built in Peaceful Prairie
630: Temple built in Pheasant Flats
640: Cathedral built in Deerdale

There was occassional civil unrest during this time but it was quickly resolved each time it arose. Babylon first learned about gunpowder in 620 AD and new theories of education were brought to the republic ten years later. This caused a major shift in the focus of the republic's energies. The year 650 AD marked the first time in almost 100 years that a non-religious internal improvement passed Parliament: a colosseum was raised in Silkton that year.

Sennacherib (the Learned) came to lead Parliament soon after this and convinced his colleagues in the legislative body that the time had come for Babylon to make new discoveries on it's own rather than merely gather the knowledge of other countries. He personally authored legislation that led to libraries being built in both Shun Kharand (660) and Shun-Taresh (670). His last act before retiring was to oversee the opening of The Univeristy of Fishpond. The new university caused a crisis almost immediately. A certain obscure history professor popularized a theory that the ancient emperors had erred greatly by allowing Germany to grow as it has. Others at the university picked up on the theory and pointed to the saltpeter deposits owned by the German desert city of Frankfurt. This was all the more troublesome as Babylon does not have saltpeter of it's own...

In an executive session of Parliament, Kara-indash pointed out that the Germans were not using the desert saltpeter - since there were no roads in the area. Perhaps the Germans did not yet know how to manufacture gunpowder. Kara-indash urged that the deposits be seized and Berlin captured. While Parliament debated in secret the French declared war on America. With the American's distracted Kara-indash's ideas slowly took hold and Babylon's offensive forces were moved north. Two contingents of troops camped outside Frankfurt in 720 AD. To Parliament's dismay it was learned that the desert city was indeed defended by musketmen! Yet there was still no road to the desert saltpeter deposits. Could the Germans have another source of the important mineral? Perplexed, the troops sat outside Frankfurt. As the army remained in Germany for an extended period there was rioting in Wheat River. This brought about a mini-religious revival and a cathedral was built in Solstice Tree. Another was constructed in Silkton in 740 AD. In 750 AD the army remained sitting in Germany and Babylonian scientists studied astromony as they looked towards the heavens for answers...
 
I was happily building cultural improvements until I realized the Germans had saltpeter and we didn't.:( I mobilzed our forces with the intention of seizing Frankfurt and Berlin and then offering Bismark peace. Would have even given him Berlin back in order to keep the saltpeter. But then the army reached Frankfurt and halted. The treasury is built up to over 200 gold and I didn't want to spend the cash to see how Frankfurt was defended. Figured it would be nice to have knights right about now...

Anyway, we still have an RoP with Bismark - I didn't realize that and was surprised when he didn't mind me parking next to his cities.

We are still working on the FP, Leo's place and the Sistine Chapel. If we switch from Leo we can have Copernicus in two turns.:)

Well, I think Knight-Dragon is up now. Is it play time on the other side of the world?
 

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My thoughts:

* Do not disband any military! Diplomacy is the art of negotiation through strength. Defeat is what happens when you can't back up your words. If the other civs refuse to be reasonable, sometimes war is the last resort.

* We don't need saltpeter that badly. Might even be better NOT to have it right away, and build up a lot of veteran pikes. If we build Leonardo's, upgrade costs would be reduced, and our strong economy could pay for troop upgrades to give us the kind of force nobody would mess with.

* We can trade for saltpeter later. We would only need a one-time deal to upgrade all our units, and that can wait either for a war to come along (AI aggression -- and god help anybody who Chooses Unwisely to attack us) or for Military Tradition, so that we upgrade all our horses at the same time as the foot soldiers.

* Diplomats keep their word. If you are bent on attacking, pull our troops back, declare war the honorable way, then move. Really, though, there's no urgent need to attack nor any great benefit to doing so, over a unit of saltpeter.

* Find out where other sources of saltpeter may lie, and if any can be obtained with an aggressive settler and superior cultural strength, rather than an invasion.

* Unless the AI's attack us, we're probably safe just sitting around with pikes and knights, and waiting for riflemen. Building more knights might be wise, though.


- Sirian
 
Yep, it isn't that bad. I once played an SP game w/o iron until the railroad age. :eek: So I spent all my time building all the Wonders. Well, I can play a peaceable game when I have to too. :p :lol:

My turn now; we'll sit tight and see how it goes. And continue to refine our culture.
 
Highlights : -

770 - Began Copernicus in Fishpond.

850 - Completed Sistine Chapel. The rest switched to Bach's and Copernicus.

860 - Switched Babylon to Bach's. Giving up Leornardo's. English completed AoW. Very unnatural. :lol:

870 - France completed Leornardo's. America completed Copernicus. :mad: Exchanged banking, chem, 75 gold with Egypt for our chivalry. Also econs for silk 20 turns. Remember to remove this deal after 20 turns. ;)

880 - French completed Bach's! :mad: Missed by 1 turn. :mad: Wasted 69 shields in Fishpond.

890 - Adam Smith's built in Babylon.

Notes - Our bowmen are obsolete. Replace with pikes as soon as possible. Also need more mkts and banks, to bring science up.
 
France declared war???!!!

:lol:

They'll be arriving at some point at scenic Peaceful Prairie, our Western border. If you're low on culture there, get something built QUICK and try to expand the border one west. Then we can close the border to our country with just two fortified stacks (it also cuts off Baltimore completely). Not sure if that's possible to expand atm, but worth considering.

To be ready for France, might want some extra troops over at prairie. Half hoping France brings Germany into the war as an ally, then we'll get America as ally.

Germany asked us for tribute again???!

:lol:

He must be smoking the weed that Cathy often smokes. Or is he hiding a military twice the size of ours in his cities? Usually the AI is arrogant, but not stupid. (Well, ok, it's often stupid, but doesn't usually ask tribute from positions of weakness)

Good job on Sistine, that'll be a huge help long term! :hammer:

(BTW, on Babylon, a size 12 city building a wonder should have irrig tiles switched to mines until it's zero growth, if the race is at all close)

Charis
 
The window of opportunity has closed. We can no longer even dream of conquering Germany with military force, as their cities are defended with musketmen.

If the Germans amass enough knights, they will attack us. Im 99% sure of it.

We had better be prepared for war.

Somehow they built cultural improvements in Munich and Hannover quick enough to blunt our border there. Perhaps a university and cathedral would be in order for Missionary Point?
Maybe it can still flip them.

Charis is up, good luck!
 
Lets figure out which foriegn cities we have a chance at a flip.

Munich and Hannover seem prime.

The Americans have been quiet, but I would still like to pressure their two towns near Solstice.

Any more?
 
Baltimore is almost sure to come over to us eventually, also Hannover. Munich might, but it's rather close to their capital, so it may not. Cologne also has a chance, it's under a lot of pressure. The American city west of Soltice is under some pressure, but won't likely flip until after Baltimore, if at all. Toulouse is a good bet for a flip, also, it's under big pressure and WAY closer to our capital than to Paris.

Although... it has been forty turns and none of them flipped yet. Takes some luck and patience. I'm sure we'll get some, but likely won't get them all.

Bismarck is yapping like a Chihuahua. He's in no position to attack us, as that would be a Most Unwise Choice on his part. :lol: We should have units ready to respond, though: some knights and perhaps even a few catapults to help soften them up and reduce our casualties if war does break out.


- Sirian
 
> Charis, are you playing?

Blank stare... I've had reminder notices before, but seldom with 9 hrs of posting in a thread I'm clearly reading :lol:

I shall do so shortly this eve, but during the day... I work :P

Thanks,
Charis
 
We can forget about attacking Germany now. In fact, if they attack us now, we'll be hardpressed to contain them, at their several entry points.

We only have 2 knights (upgraded fr horsemen), a couple of swordsmen and bowmen doubling as additional garrison troops. Barely any pikes except at the borders.

If they land troops outside Babylon or any of the inner cities.....

I was tempted to give them that gold at that time.

Note - I don't think the Germans have horsies. Never seen any kind of German horse unit. ;)
 
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