SGOTM 01 - Realms Beyond
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BeefontheBone
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My apologies, I wasn't very clear what I was doing in Thebes. The idea was to work on the Library until it grew and then switch to another settler (thereby increasing commerce output and getting the settler done quicker, given that we can afford to use at least one more flood plains before we hit the unhealthiness limit - in fact, any chance we get to snag more health resources should be leapt upon. Maybe Memphis should've been 1 tile further west after all...). Re-reading my posts, I see that I completely failed to make that clear; sorry, there's my rustiness showing 
@Zalson: Yeah, I noticed we were ahead on the graph too. Had to check it several times to make sure
@Zalson: Yeah, I noticed we were ahead on the graph too. Had to check it several times to make sure
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
I also apologize for the barb spam 
I expected Thebes to grow to at least size 3 before starting any settler build since it would be much quicker and we can use those barbs to clear the fog and to do some exploring in the realms beyond cathy
I took a look at that chart and I'd say I don't have the slightest clue with bar is our But if Beef and Zalson says we're in the lead, I believe them
I expected Thebes to grow to at least size 3 before starting any settler build since it would be much quicker and we can use those barbs to clear the fog and to do some exploring in the realms beyond cathy I took a look at that chart and I'd say I don't have the slightest clue with bar is our
But if Beef and Zalson says we're in the lead, I believe them berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
Of course, by saying barbs I was really saying warriors 
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
Great, that helped. Thanks
Dantski
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Turn 0
Switch Memphis to a Granary for now, its only working a 3 food tile till it grows so nothing will build fast.
Thebes will continue the Library for 4 turns until it grows, then I will start a settler.
Masonry seems fine, Ill likely head for Mining after.
Turn 4
War defeats barb war south of Moscow (40% health)
Settler started in Moscow at 13 turns.
Turn 8
Memphis borders expand. It reveals a lone fish resource off the coast. It is unreachable unless we planted a city with massive overlap on the coast.
Turn 11
Masonry -> Mining
Horses connected to Memphis, going to get them to Thebes before pasturing Cows.
Turn 12
Judaism FIDL
Novgorod is noticed to the south. This more or less means that Cathy will have no more Barbs to worry herself with.
Turn 13
Barb War sighted SW of Thebes, theres no hills/forests between him and our Rice so Ill fortify a war and keep another closeby in case he loses.
Turn 14
Barb War runs off. What a pansy boy.
Turn 15
No wonder Cathy has been settling our way, she might have 1 more spot that doesnt interfere with us, then shes coming our way. I think a double settler build might be a good idea. However Ill try to get at least one chariot in first.
Turn 17
Settler completes, Ill sneak in a War Chariot build, then the next player can decide whether they want another settler to seal off Cathy.
Turn 18
Mining -> Bronze Working
Turn 19
Heliopolis founded. I'm pretty sure this is the best spot for the moment.
Turn 20
My southern war, sees an archer settler pair. Hope they dont come to us.
Turn 21
The pair are at a crossroads, will they turn left (hopefully) or will they turn right and steal one of our spots?
If Cathy does steal our spot then I guess I'd suggest a big buildup of War Chariots to immediately take it out before it gets cultural bonuses. If she plumps for the 'safe' option (safe from us!) then we can delay a war for a while.
Please be patient, one more screenie and I'll link the save up next!
Switch Memphis to a Granary for now, its only working a 3 food tile till it grows so nothing will build fast.
Thebes will continue the Library for 4 turns until it grows, then I will start a settler.
Masonry seems fine, Ill likely head for Mining after.
Turn 4
War defeats barb war south of Moscow (40% health)
Settler started in Moscow at 13 turns.
Turn 8
Memphis borders expand. It reveals a lone fish resource off the coast. It is unreachable unless we planted a city with massive overlap on the coast.
Turn 11
Masonry -> Mining
Horses connected to Memphis, going to get them to Thebes before pasturing Cows.
Turn 12
Judaism FIDL
Novgorod is noticed to the south. This more or less means that Cathy will have no more Barbs to worry herself with.
Turn 13
Barb War sighted SW of Thebes, theres no hills/forests between him and our Rice so Ill fortify a war and keep another closeby in case he loses.
Turn 14
Barb War runs off. What a pansy boy.
Turn 15
No wonder Cathy has been settling our way, she might have 1 more spot that doesnt interfere with us, then shes coming our way. I think a double settler build might be a good idea. However Ill try to get at least one chariot in first.
Turn 17
Settler completes, Ill sneak in a War Chariot build, then the next player can decide whether they want another settler to seal off Cathy.
Turn 18
Mining -> Bronze Working
Turn 19
Heliopolis founded. I'm pretty sure this is the best spot for the moment.
Turn 20
My southern war, sees an archer settler pair. Hope they dont come to us.
Turn 21
The pair are at a crossroads, will they turn left (hopefully) or will they turn right and steal one of our spots?
If Cathy does steal our spot then I guess I'd suggest a big buildup of War Chariots to immediately take it out before it gets cultural bonuses. If she plumps for the 'safe' option (safe from us!) then we can delay a war for a while.
Please be patient, one more screenie and I'll link the save up next!
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
EL_OSO said:
EL_OSO's suggested settling spot looks good. I would move the top dot 1S so we grab all those hills and still have the cow in our border. This could be our military city and it's close to the choke point as well.
Dantski
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Sorry you were a bit late to post that, the reason I didn't go 1 south was because it would have 2 sea tiles which would contribute little to the city.
Anyway heres the save.
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm1/Realms_Beyond_SG001_BC1600_01.Civ4SavedGame
And here's the current map
Anyway heres the save.
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm1/Realms_Beyond_SG001_BC1600_01.Civ4SavedGame
And here's the current map
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
Hey, I just notice that Cathy has a very nice little chokepoint there ... are any of you contemplating what I am contemplating?
Inherited turn. Finally! Ok, lets see... Thebes is on a library, which I am not sure about. Reading back, I see it was a placeholder while we waited for the city to grow, but what really are we shooting for here? If we want to go to war, then I think should build chariots, or if we want to expand into our floodplains then we should get those cities up before getting the library, no? I Looking further (I should have been keeping up all along, I know) I see that there was some talk of getting an early academy. Now that is an interesting plan that I've seen work very well before,although I've never personally done it. I also notice a worker poised on some trees... were we going to chop the library? Well if we weren't, we are now. I want to get another settler out or some more war chariots as soon as I can.
As for the earlier question of if to attack Cathy sooner rather than later, I agree we should press the war chariot advantage. Don't neglect the floodplain city too long though! We can actually make a real nice city back there, with 7 floodplains cottages and enough food to whip the necessary imporvements (library, etc...) there. The earlier we get the cottages up, the better, obviously. Also, we have several of our cities empty. I see the warriors pushing back fog, but when those cities hit the happiness limit I think it's far better to let them grow rater than push fog, so I'll pull those defenders in when that time comes.
Overall things look really good! Here we go!
Turn 1 - Oh, right, we can't chop yet. Well, I really don't feel like a library is the right move this early. We could build another war chariot right now and time that to complete with growth again, at which point I think another worker makes the most sense, timed to pop out with the discovery of bronze. Cathy has 4 archers in St Petersburg but I see that two of them are with the settler that Dantski mentioned, which means that they are indeed headed north of St Petersburg. In fact, since we have open borders, they might be headed to the other side of our empire. How interesting!
Turn 2 - Indeed, Cathy is moving towards our territory. Our chariot picks off a barb warrior.
Turn 3 - It looks like Cathy is going for the sugar. I say we let her settle it, then take it from her. Nice of her to build settlers for us!
Turn 4 - Memphis finished its Granary, and starts a war chariot, although I'll likely switch to a worker once it grows. I'm feeling worker deprived. Hauyana adopts slavery.
Turn 5 - ...
Turn 6 - Cathy builds Rostov on a hill next to the sugar. The fact that she built it on a hill is bad for us! Archers on a hill will be tough, even for war chariots.
Thebes grows to size 5 and will finish the War Chariot before switching. Memphis grows to size 3 and I start a worker there.
Turn 7 - ...
Tun 8 - Thebes completes our second War Chariot, but really, we are going to need a lot more before we attack. I start Thebes on a third worker. I know three workers seems like a lot, but we really need a lot of worker projects going. This does allow me to micromanage Thebes to get bronze working a turn earlier. After these workers are complete, I plan to build several more war chariots.
Turn 9 - Cathy has a spearman in Moscow, meaning bronze is hooked up.
Turn 10 - Well, we don't have copper, but Cathy's is right outside our borders, meaning it will be easy to pillage. We definately have to go to war with her early.
Actually, she has another source in the south, ugh. Spearmen are going to make any war against her very difficult with chariots. Curses!
I set research to hunting, with archery next. It would take 21 turns to get iron working, and we need to get the war started earlier than that.
Turn 11 - ...
Turn 12 - Memphis worker --> War Chariot
Turn 13 - ...
Turn 14 - I spy an axeman in St. Petersburg. Memphis War Charior -> War Chariot.
Turn 15 - Thebes Worker -> War Chariot
Turn 16 - ...
Turn 17 - ...
Turn 18 - Heliopolis finally gets its cows pasturized and the other two workers are busily constructing our reinforcement supply road.
Turn 19 - Memphis War Chariot -> War Chariot. Thebes War Chariot -> War Chariot.
Turn 20 - And that's it. Archery is coming in next turn, and in 3 turns we will have 6 War Chariots, which should be enough to kick things off. The military road network is almost complete. Good luck with the war!
I made a little dotmap of our remaining lands. Blue Dot gets fish, clams, and 6 floodplains. Ultimate fishing village, but with all that food can simply whip all the improvements that it needs. With all the floodplains cottaged, it will be a great city. Red dot grabs 5 floodplains but also 4 hills, so an irrigation / mining strategy might work well there!
Fun set of turns, but I bet the next set will be more exciting!
The Game (I think).
As for the earlier question of if to attack Cathy sooner rather than later, I agree we should press the war chariot advantage. Don't neglect the floodplain city too long though! We can actually make a real nice city back there, with 7 floodplains cottages and enough food to whip the necessary imporvements (library, etc...) there. The earlier we get the cottages up, the better, obviously. Also, we have several of our cities empty. I see the warriors pushing back fog, but when those cities hit the happiness limit I think it's far better to let them grow rater than push fog, so I'll pull those defenders in when that time comes.
Overall things look really good! Here we go!
Turn 1 - Oh, right, we can't chop yet. Well, I really don't feel like a library is the right move this early. We could build another war chariot right now and time that to complete with growth again, at which point I think another worker makes the most sense, timed to pop out with the discovery of bronze. Cathy has 4 archers in St Petersburg but I see that two of them are with the settler that Dantski mentioned, which means that they are indeed headed north of St Petersburg. In fact, since we have open borders, they might be headed to the other side of our empire. How interesting!
Turn 2 - Indeed, Cathy is moving towards our territory. Our chariot picks off a barb warrior.
Turn 3 - It looks like Cathy is going for the sugar. I say we let her settle it, then take it from her. Nice of her to build settlers for us!
Cathy's archer/settler pair going for the sugar
Turn 4 - Memphis finished its Granary, and starts a war chariot, although I'll likely switch to a worker once it grows. I'm feeling worker deprived. Hauyana adopts slavery.
Turn 5 - ...
Turn 6 - Cathy builds Rostov on a hill next to the sugar. The fact that she built it on a hill is bad for us! Archers on a hill will be tough, even for war chariots.
Rostov
Thebes grows to size 5 and will finish the War Chariot before switching. Memphis grows to size 3 and I start a worker there.
Turn 7 - ...
Tun 8 - Thebes completes our second War Chariot, but really, we are going to need a lot more before we attack. I start Thebes on a third worker. I know three workers seems like a lot, but we really need a lot of worker projects going. This does allow me to micromanage Thebes to get bronze working a turn earlier. After these workers are complete, I plan to build several more war chariots.
Turn 9 - Cathy has a spearman in Moscow, meaning bronze is hooked up.
Turn 10 - Well, we don't have copper, but Cathy's is right outside our borders, meaning it will be easy to pillage. We definately have to go to war with her early.
Cathy's copper in easy striking range
Actually, she has another source in the south, ugh. Spearmen are going to make any war against her very difficult with chariots. Curses!
I set research to hunting, with archery next. It would take 21 turns to get iron working, and we need to get the war started earlier than that.
Turn 11 - ...
Turn 12 - Memphis worker --> War Chariot
Turn 13 - ...
Turn 14 - I spy an axeman in St. Petersburg. Memphis War Charior -> War Chariot.
Turn 15 - Thebes Worker -> War Chariot
Turn 16 - ...
Turn 17 - ...
Turn 18 - Heliopolis finally gets its cows pasturized and the other two workers are busily constructing our reinforcement supply road.
Turn 19 - Memphis War Chariot -> War Chariot. Thebes War Chariot -> War Chariot.
Turn 20 - And that's it. Archery is coming in next turn, and in 3 turns we will have 6 War Chariots, which should be enough to kick things off. The military road network is almost complete. Good luck with the war!
I made a little dotmap of our remaining lands. Blue Dot gets fish, clams, and 6 floodplains. Ultimate fishing village, but with all that food can simply whip all the improvements that it needs. With all the floodplains cottaged, it will be a great city. Red dot grabs 5 floodplains but also 4 hills, so an irrigation / mining strategy might work well there!
Proposed dotmap
Fun set of turns, but I bet the next set will be more exciting!
Overview of the border area
The Game (I think).
Good job Snap.
Memphus, you should know what to do. we need to hit Cathy, and hit Cathy hard. I think taking away St. Petersburg would be good... then try for Rostov... of course, I'd let it grow first. Then I say we try to get a razing party, down south to the copper.
Where is it, exactly?
Memphus, you should know what to do. we need to hit Cathy, and hit Cathy hard. I think taking away St. Petersburg would be good... then try for Rostov... of course, I'd let it grow first. Then I say we try to get a razing party, down south to the copper.
Where is it, exactly?
Oh, and just for the record...
Team Realms Beyond is now back in 1st place... and soon to be much, much higher.
As for the war, I'd reccomend limiting the expansion to those two cities. And then adding in the suggested dots. Should be good.
Team Realms Beyond is now back in 1st place... and soon to be much, much higher.
As for the war, I'd reccomend limiting the expansion to those two cities. And then adding in the suggested dots. Should be good.
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
Getting those hills mined will definitely help with getting the chariots out faster.
Edit: Good luck, Memphus!!! Show Catty what we're made of
Edit: Good luck, Memphus!!! Show Catty what we're made of
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