5 turns in and my wife informed me its date night. SO here's where we are so far:
Ghandi just got Liberalism. We finished Philosophy research and I found out that HC and Ghandi have it.
Traded Astronomy to Cyrus for Engineering + 10g
I'm keying on getting our infrastructure humming along and increasing the cultural pressure on our continent. Did finally find some of Roosevelt's lands on the other side of Saladin.
I've been noticing we have been going down. We were at 2.6 or somewhere around there at one time. Now its 1.3?
Aww looks like we are going to lose two of our tiles to the Indians in the culture battle there. Hopefully we will stay with the gems.
I kind of figured we were going to get Astronomy too late and not be able to trade it.
I think we need to start looking at what we want to do for the game. I think whatever we do, we want to try to get a PA with Gandhi. If we do get a PA with Gandhi, what civs can we take to win by domination? Can we take out just the Incans and Arabians? If we don't get a PA with Gandhi, do we need to add the Persians to our list of targets?
If we decide to go for Diplomacy, it could be very hard if Gandhi is in second place in population. If he is going to be our rival for diplomacy we would want to start working on the other civs, possibly persians and americans.
Well just some thoughts as I patiently wait for bobrath's report. Probably won't come til tomorrow morning
Nice turns, namliaM. I see hinduism is starting to spread, and a few macemans are poping up. Good.
Let's build up for war. Yeah, right abt everying on getting Gandhi on our side and all that, but while you wait, 2050AD is approaching already! We need to get prepared for the war regardless of Gandhi. Once we have, say 8 galleons each filled with 1 catapult and 2 other troops, and another stack waiting for the next round of ferry, time to attack already. If Gandhi wants to play, fine. If not, it simply means more pillaging for us.
On the note of post per turn: I would suggest dropping back to 10 turns per set after bobrath. Also, someone miscounted and play one turn less I think, because the turnset starts at XX44AD. So if bobrath is still doing mashy-mushy business with spouse and yet to play, you may wanna play 1 turn more.
Hinduism fully covers our cities.
No one has flipped yet, but we're making progress on percentages of land.
Popped a Great Scientist. Choice of either picking up paper or making an Academy. I put the Academy down in Thebes. We can pick up paper in trade (or throw 4 turns at it and pick it up).
Still have the Great Engineer hanging out (so yes I could have triggered a Golden Age instead). Nationalism due in 2 turns. No word on Taj Mahal yet, its probably going to be close.
Heroic Epic plopped down in Thebes. Its our biggest hammer producer and in the best position for pumping units into an Incan front. Our navy is 2 turns out from shipping out. I highly suggest we swap to Vassalage next turn (or even in turn 0). If there's any way we can get Theology from someone in trade before that... then swap to Theocracy along with the Vassalage front.
Oh, the above might let you know that I made another trade. Cyrus gave us Feudalism for Philosophy + 90g. He's the only one really willing to do business with us.
Baldy went and built Versailles. He's just eating up wonders (check out his culture graph).
Near the middle of my turns, a "learned man" told us that we're puny... Never guess who's rated above us:
Here's the Power graph at the end of my turns:
Saladin is currently in a Golden Age (and HC's ended in 1466).
Things are looking up in the relationship world:
Our world (not exciting, but doing what we can):
Finally a snap of how our cities are doing. Again note the proximity of naval builds. I decided to make sure we control the seas before spending cash maintaining land forces. If they can't get to our coast, they can't hurt our cities. (btw chemistry for frigates for the win....)
We're not caught up in techs, but I like the direction we're heading. I'm especially happy to see that HC isn't so far ahead of us in power that we're screwed. BTW, his caravels are camping one crab... denying Pi-Ramses growth a bit. Take those two single promoted ships out in force and get Pi-Ramses doing what it does best = turning food into people into goodies.
(walls in moscow so you can build a castle for the +1 to culture)
Turn 297, 1442 AD: Chuang-Tzu has been born in Persepolis!
Turn 298, 1448 AD: You have discovered Philosophy!
Turn 298, 1448 AD: Gandhi is the first to discover Liberalism!
Turn 298, 1448 AD: Saladin adopts Mercantilism!
Turn 299, 1454 AD: You have discovered Engineering!
Turn 299, 1454 AD: Gandhi adopts Representation!
Turn 299, 1454 AD: Gandhi has completed Versailles!
Turn 299, 1454 AD: Galileo Galilei has been born in a far away land!
Turn 300, 1460 AD: You have discovered Feudalism!
Turn 300, 1460 AD: The borders of Byblos have expanded!
Turn 300, 1460 AD: Huayna Capac's Golden Age has ended...
Turn 300, 1460 AD: Saladin's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 302, 1472 AD: Hinduism has spread in Byblos.
Turn 304, 1484 AD: Rene Descartes has been born in Alexandria!
Turn 307, 1502 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Pi-Ramesses!
Turn 308, 1508 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Pi-Ramesses!
Turn 308, 1508 AD: Wang Xizhi has been born in a far away land!
Turn 309, 1514 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Pi-Ramesses!
Lets first find out what and where everyone is, FDR and Saladin are appearently on one continent allready... Is that connected to HC?
I think we shouldnt be to fast about taking on HC, he doesnt seem much of a threat (yet) and we dont really have any (big) advantage over him in techs. He is close... but how close is saladin?
We can ferry units to US lands and invade Saladin from there?
Meanwhile if we can get Baldy going on HC, that would be good to get the ++
Any win by Gandhi would be a win by us if we have a PA....
No one has flipped yet, but we're making progress on percentages of land.
Popped a Great Scientist. Choice of either picking up paper or making an Academy. I put the Academy down in Thebes. We can pick up paper in trade (or throw 4 turns at it and pick it up).
What about that +culture small wonder? Do we want that in Novgorod for putting the squeze on sidon? or in moscow (or there abouts) to push on Baldy?
Saladin to me is a prime target... He has a holy city as well... Then while we have forces over there... IF we can spoil the relation of Gandhi vs FDR, take out FDR as well...
It would be much easier I think to go at than going at it with HC right now. We currently dont even know the lay of his lands.... (is it connected? To who?) Looks like HC may be connected to Saladin and/or FDR... Would mean that HC is potentially a big *******.
Judging from the map, I doubt FDR has a connection to HC. Based on our moderators-are-evil theory, HC should enjoy his own continent.
Good job getting the navy first.
Yes, I think its time to use our traits to its fullest, switch to Vassalage+Police State before pumping out units.
And now that Gandhi is friendly, PA is looking to be more and more likely. Let's work towards that.
Again, I'm not too concern with whether Gandhi is willing to join our "righteous war" against the Axis of Evil. We should work based on the assumption that he will not.
Agree on taking HC sooner rather than later. But having Frigate support is a good idea. It reduce our reliance on the slowly moving cats, and provide cover for our galleons. How long is it until we get SteelChemistry?
Now that everybody is close to havig Astronomy, is it a good idea to attack Saladin when we still have HC to worry about? I say concentrate on eliminating HC first. Saladin is not going anywhere.
And I don't get what is the big fuss with culture. Yeah, you get those two cities flipped to us. So? While it is nice, they are inconsequential to me. There are a lot more cities in HC's land waiting for us to take than those two puny little cities.
For me, the cultural goal is all about optimizing our lands. We'll take back copper and horses and be able to use our contient and all its parts. It also keeps those cities weak and a drain on the other AIs budgets. They'll never pay for themselves.
Ok. I am not against building culture or anything ... but its kind of low priority to me (as long as the basic culture buildings are there ... temple/lib/theatre).
Well ... I think that Huayna is nothing of a big threat to you. So I'd go for Saladin first. These AI-civs seem to have a default on liking some civs and disliking others (as kind of a trait). And afaik Saladin has a default dislike for Hatshi (that means: You). And he's obviously annoyed with Gandhi. So if you check whether HC maybe likes Saladin and you get Baldy into the war with Saladin it will improve your relations to Baldy and worsen the relation between HC and Baldy. So maybe he'll even join in the war against HC sooner or later.
As for Cyrus and FDR ... I think it's better to keep them alive and get or respectively stay friendly with them. It'll help for the diplo. Since Gandhi seems quite ahead in techs he'll probably be first to build the UN? So he's taking care of getting there fast? Just asking.
@namliaM: Nice shots of the cultural situation. But what is of interest to me, is ... How are the percentages IN the cities. Because once they drop below 50% Indian or Persian it's very likely to have the first revolt going. And usually (only my experience) the flip will then come in after abt a dozen turns. (Again as long as Gandhi or Cyrus are not dropping a Great Artist in them.)
First thing, culture. I wanted to get the culture built up to put a squeeze on those cities on our territory asap, because I know it takes a while for it to happen and if you are first you have an advantage.
Second, # of turns per session. I think we should move down to 10 turns too. Unless we want to keep up with the pace we are doing. But when we go to war (which would be soon, I hope), the turnset will be getting long. Oh, if we do get to 10 turns, let's try to end the turn on a multiple of 10.
Third, next target. Yeah, Saladin's camel archers replace the knight and requires no resources, so now might not be the time to go after him. Even if he didn't have the UU, I wouldn't go after him. We are always at war with HC. He is right next to us. Why do we want to go a farther distance to wage a war, when we got our enemy right close by? Now if Saladin was where Cyrus is, then maybe I could agree with that.
By the way, if our goal is a PA with Gandhi, I don't think Diplomacy (unless backdoor domination) will be a viable option. In nox-02 (see sig), once we did a PA everyone else kinda got frosty with us. Not saying it's impossible, but it seems a lot harder than without the PA. I imagine part of the problem is that we can't control what Gandhi does as a trader.
I agree that now is not a good time to go after Saladin. He's got his UU now, so why attack him at his strongest?
Also, he's buddies with Roosevelt, and I don't think we need to piss Roosey off (yet). Our #1 target is still HC.
That said, I'll be able to play in about 12 hours. I'm going to play ~10 turns, whichever gets us to an even year to hand off on. I'm planning on switching us to war-time civics (if we're not there yet?) I would think we want all three, Police State, Vassalage, Theocracy?
I downloaded the save and had a look at the victory conditions.... Gandhi currently controls 22% of the territory, this means we need allmost all of the rest... HC+FDR+Saladin and probably a peace of Cyrus. If we do start a war with Cyrus... Odds are Gandhi will grab more land /cities by culture as he will have huge culture over there in compared to us... So cities may flip to him.
Baldy has atleast 1 island state which will grab some more land. So we will easy be looking at 25-30% land grabbed by Gandhi, leaving us the rest...
Now if we have a PA the 25-30 percent will be added to our own (domination) and Gandhi for president (diplo). I say we increase our odds significantly by getting that PA. Also getting that PA will "gift" us his techs as well
#1 goal for PA should be Defensive pact (Military Tradition) then head over to Communism (9 techs, 94 turns) or Facism (17 techs, 212 turns). Both at 70% and without trading and stuff....
UN is currently 10 techs and 187 turns....
I didnt take into account that we may have to pick up some extra techs... If we can win before a hundred (or actually less probably) turns from now then ignore the PA and go for domination, but if not... or if its close... Then by all means lets go for the PA.... Which means getting a commen enemy with Gandhi would really help...
But that enemy can as well be Saladin I guess... Or FDR... Cyrus w(sh)ould be a cake walk for Gandhi...
100 turns from now would be a win... for us... well... Something to shoot for I guess... Thats everyone having 2 turnsets... Military only ??
Edit: I dont know if one can get a defensive Pact while at war with someone...
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I've been noticing we have been going down. We were at 2.6 or somewhere around there at one time. Now its 1.3?
goodies.
Just asking.
And usually (only my experience) the flip will then come in after abt a dozen turns. (Again as long as Gandhi or Cyrus are not dropping a Great Artist in them.) 
