SGOTM 01 - V Q

[GreyFox]

I will be skipped if eektor can grab it before I do.

Unlikely though , since I was back to the hotel (which thankfully, is offerring free internet access) tonight at 9pm and was able to play another SG. So, I don't foresee any problem playing tomorrow night.

Nice job saladin and getting Mecca ... but a losing a city. On the maybe brighter side, does it gives us extra gold for capturing a second time?

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[ChrTh]

Here's what I'm thinking:

Finish off Sally. Immediately create a DP with Gandhi. Build up troops in prep for assault on FDR, but I won't pull the trigger. That way we can blame GreyFox if something goes wrong ... but seriously, it'll give us time to discuss how we want to go forward.

 

[GreyFox]

That way we can blame GreyFox if something goes wrong

On 2nd though ... just skip me, eektor

Seriously, that's what I am thinking too. I seriously doubt I will get any action unless Maquis set ChrTh up very badly. I was looking forward to a builder's turns getting our militray up, then we can see if we can get PA and kill Gandhi off.

 

[bobrath]

then we can see if we can get PA and kill Gandhi off.

 

[ChrTh]

... guys, I may need a skip. I was trying to load the save at lunch and my PC started having issues (not with the save, just in general). I've had this before and I had to reinstall from scratch, so I'm not sure when it's going to be fixed. I'll keep everyone updated when I'm available to play again.

Sorry

 

[Maquis]

ack... I guess then eektor is up now, unless GreyFox can take it... but I assume GF won't be able to take it for ~15 hrs or so?

 

[eektor]

Nice job Maquis.

Yikes! Two people wanting skips? I wasn't expecting that. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to play until Wednesday night, so maybe we wait?

 

[dot]

"Hey Murphy! What the heck are You doing here??? Haven't seen You nominated for the VQ-Team!"

... but seriously, it'll give us time to discuss how we want to go forward.

Well ... so I'll be waiting for the discussion to start If I do find the time I'll try to post a "script of hitherto mentioned alternatives" tonite*. If one of you will be doing something alike - That's fine with me .

Regards, .

*My tonite will be around your 8PM I think ...

 

[GreyFox]

Opps, sorry, bob, I mean FDR. Not Gandhi ..

Sorry abt your comp, ChrTh.

But how long would a re-install take anyway? 2 hrs top to reformat and reinstall Windows, 1 hrs max to reinstall Civ4 and patch up to 1.61, and you are back in the loop!

Anyway, I should be able to take it tonight (14~15hrs).

I see get to have some action in killing Sally-Wrappedhead afterall. Plans is to finish off Saladin: leaving him with one city until Gandhi finally is in a position to take the city. Basically playing the same HC/FDR trick on Sally/Gandhi.

Thereafter, we can sign DP and rebuild army. Once we are ready to take on FDR, kill cyrus and take as much city from FDR as possible and win dominantly. The key question here is when would we be ready. That, can be discussed.

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[ChrTh]

But how long would a re-install take anyway? 2 hrs top to reformat and reinstall Windows, 1 hrs max to reinstall Civ4 and patch up to 1.61, and you are back in the loop!
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Pfft. I am a professional ... why spend 3 hours fixing the computer that way when I can spend 30 hours trying every little thing possible to fix it!

 

[ChrTh]

I see get to have some action in killing Sally-Wrappedhead afterall. Plans is to finish off Saladin: leaving him with one city until Gandhi finally is in a position to take the city. Basically playing the same HC/FDR trick on Sally/Gandhi.
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Be careful, we wait too long the WW could cripple us. Of course, wait long enough and we can PA with Gandhi and win

 

[bobrath]

I wonder if time in a mutual struggle + time in a DP would work .... or is it just one or the other?

 

[ChrTh]

I wonder if time in a mutual struggle + time in a DP would work .... or is it just one or the other?

My guess is that it's cumulative, doesn't seem like it'd be fair otherwise.

BTW, one thing I did see before my comp decided to go on holiday: Gandhi was still saying "not long enough" against the PA rather than "too powerful", so apparently the AI can sign up with a #1 team (in a test scenario I ran, I got "too powerful" first, even though "not long enough" was relevant as well).

 

[GreyFox]

Dunno, we can find out (unless some kind lurker with such experiences care to shed some light)... ... how many turns of Mutual Struggle do we share currently? Maquis' 10 + bob's 12(?? when did Gandhi jumps in?)?

 

[ChrTh]

iirc, bob did the MS starting in his turn 5, so it'd be 17 turns so far. It's 40 turns at Normal Speed for DP, so we're guessing 60 for Epic. However, the Mutual Struggle bonus might kick in sooner (if it is non-cumulative).

Shouldn't someone (else) be able to check the XML?

 

[eektor]

I took a look at the XML, but didn't really have much luck at understanding the permanent alliance. I do believe that Gandhi won't be able to sign a PA when his attitude is below Pleased or Pleased and below. Some help that gives

 

[GreyFox]

Got it ... playing in an hr, report in another 2, .... ....give and take a day

 

[GreyFox]

Some Governing Stuff

As with all change of rulership, this one is no different: there will be gripes. The new ruler is dismayed by the lack of military, lack of monastry (yet we are learning SciMeth in 3 turns) ... so, a revolution is planned. However, since some Hindu cities of Egypt are still building infrastructure, the revolt to Theocracy is delayed until these buildings are completed.

Research is another matter. All scientists are exterminated. Instead, orders are made to learn us railroad (for better troop movement, for something to let the idling workers do, and for better defend units).

All About Gandhi

Once upon a time, there is a baldy named Gandhi.
Surprised that he is getting spices from us for 1 gpt

So it was increased to 2 gpt,
which was 10 turns later further increased.

He soon tell us all cool civ run universal sufferage,

and so I tell him,
it will be a real suffer-age,
if we make the conversion he asked.
And he came showing off,
his new infantry units.
And I am most grateful than ever,
that he is our always peace buudy.

War Report

Relatively less action in my entire 10 turns,
since target is to drag unit we get permanent alliances.
On top of that.
we have pitiful military IMHO.

Sally then provides me,
the best entertainment ever,
when he asked for peace,
with a whooping amount of gold

Too bad Firaxis didn't provide an option,
that says: ROTFLMAO!

To show him we meant business,
I promptly have city of Kurfah was captured:

Lastly, like to draw your attention,
to the city of damascus.
It has only one tile,
so I whip the hell out of it,
Since we are going to lose one pop every turn anyway.

To show you how lucrative a PA is,
I end this report with the victory conditions.

Spoiler My Manual Log :

1730AD (0):
whipped Granary at Byblos
whipped Market at Giza
whipped courthouse at Vilcas
whipped lighthouse at Khurasan
So little Monastries and we are researching SciMeth???
Research: scimeth (vetoed) > railroad.
So little troops, and we are building almost all infrastructure?
upped spice money with Ganhdi
upgraded maceman to rifleman

1732AD (1):
Thebes: ConfMiss > Cannon
Byblos: Granary > Library
Vilcas: Couthouse > Conf Monastry
Khurasan: Lighthouse > Workboat

1734AD (2):
Heliopolis: Hin Miss > Cannon
Basra: revolt > Theatre

1736AD (3):
Ollantaytambo: Lighthouse > Conf Monastry
civics: OR > theocracy

1738AD (4):
Thebes: Cannon > Rifleman
Novgord: ??? > Cannon
Whipped Cannon in Pi-Rameses
Whipped Theatre in Mecca
whipped Workboat in Khurasan

1740AD (5):
Pi-Ramesses: Cannon > Rifleman
Giza: Barracks > Cannon
Moscow: Cavalry > Rifleman
Macchu Pinchu: Library > Market
Khurasan: WorkBoat > Workboat
Baghdad: Library > Barracks
Mecca: Theatre > Library

1742AD (6):
Thebes: Rifleman > Rifleman
upped gems to Roosy from 10 to 11gpt

1744AD (7):
Alexandria: Cavalry > Cavalry
Twanaku: Bank > Market
Damascus: revolt: theatre
captured kufah
whipped Damascus

1746AD (8):
Thebes: Rifleman > Cannon
Heliopolis: Cannon > Tao Monas
Vilcabamba: Harbor > Barracks
Damascus: Theatre > Library

1748AD (9):
whipped Library at Damascus

1750AD (10):
Damascus: Library > Christian Temple
upped spices from 2 to 3 gpt for Gandhi

Spoiler SGOTM Extracted Log :

Turn 380, 1730 AD: You have constructed a Hindu Mandir in Moscow. Work has now begun on a Cavalry.
Turn 380, 1730 AD: Baghdad celebrates "We Love the Dictator Day"!!!

Turn 382, 1734 AD: Taoism has spread in Heliopolis.
Turn 382, 1734 AD: The borders of Medina have expanded!

Turn 383, 1736 AD: VQ adopts Theocracy!

Turn 385, 1740 AD: Alexandria celebrates "We Love the Dictator Day"!!!
Turn 385, 1740 AD: The borders of Basra have expanded!
Turn 385, 1740 AD: The borders of Mecca have expanded!
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer (12.00) vs VQ's Cavalry (18.00)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Combat Odds: 9.9%
Turn 385, 1740 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 385, 1740 AD: VQ's Cavalry has defeated Saladin's Camel Archer!

Turn 386, 1742 AD: Heliopolis celebrates "We Love the Dictator Day"!!!

Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult (5.00) vs Saladin's Rifleman (23.80)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 0.0%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (61/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (22/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Catapult!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult (5.00) vs Saladin's Rifleman (23.80)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 0.0%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 10 (90/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (61/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (22/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Catapult is hit for 39 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Catapult!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Rifleman (14.00) vs Saladin's Rifleman (10.95)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 76.1%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 22 (68/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 22 (46/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 22 (24/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 22 (2/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Rifleman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Rifleman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Rifleman has defeated Saladin's Rifleman!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry (18.00) vs Saladin's Rifleman (15.22)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 71.9%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (67/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (47/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (27/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Cavalry!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry (21.00) vs Saladin's Rifleman (18.27)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 70.3%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: -40%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (67/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (47/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (27/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (7/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry has defeated Saladin's Rifleman!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry (18.00) vs Saladin's Camel Archer (8.09)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 99.4%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 28 (57/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 28 (29/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 28 (1/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Camel Archer is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry has defeated Saladin's Camel Archer!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry (19.50) vs Saladin's Rifleman (5.67)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 24 (3/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Rifleman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Cavalry has defeated Saladin's Rifleman!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Knight (12.00) vs Saladin's Catapult (3.95)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 387, 1744 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Catapult is hit for 31 (48/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Knight is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Catapult is hit for 31 (17/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Saladin's Catapult is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
Turn 387, 1744 AD: VQ's Knight has defeated Saladin's Catapult!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 387, 1744 AD: You have captured Kufah!!!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Heliopolis celebrates "We Love the Dictator Day"!!!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: Alexandria celebrates "We Love the Dictator Day"!!!
Turn 387, 1744 AD: The borders of Machu Picchu have expanded!

Turn 388, 1746 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Kufah!
Turn 388, 1746 AD: Hinduism has spread in Baghdad.
Turn 388, 1746 AD: The borders of Damascus have expanded!

Turn 389, 1748 AD: Roosevelt adopts Nationhood!

Turn 390, 1750 AD: Deal Canceled: Spices to Gandhi for Gold Per Turn (2)

>>>> The Save (1750AD) <<<<

 

[bobrath]

Nice work there Grey. Always fun to get offered 10 gold not to attack... and then get 133 gold for capturing a city... Maybe Saladin should think about offering more (or not upgrading units before making the offer).

We don't have the land mass covered quite yet for the PA to be an auto win... but darn tootin close. Sally is down to 1 or 2 cities now?

Has Ghandi shown up with any land units yet or are we still just seeing frigates?

 

[ChrTh]

Ok, so we've been in a MS for 27 turns. I say we drag this war out as long as possible to get the PA. If Gandhi makes peace, maybe we need to go to war with Cyrus and get Gandhi on board.