SGOTM 01 - V Q

namliaM · Jun 1, 2006

Sorry for keeping you guys waiting but I did the First one mostly before actually beginning to play and it took me while with all the screenies and stuff...

Possibly important I noticed this with me upgrading the Gems with Gandhi. Even if just doing Gems for 13 GPT he was willing to throw in the DP. Dont know if that matters, but hey.... I had better leave that to the team

The missionary is on his way to that left boat, inside that boat is another Missionary (other religion) and a worker that need transporting. The right boat is on its way to our Judist holy city to get some defence to there just in case FDR may declare... Look at what he has still got there....

Hyderabad is now down to 61% of of 65 at the start of my set. So by the time this comes back to me it should have flipped....

I know graphs dont say THAT much really but WTH is up with Gandhi?

And notice that FDR has probably trigerred a GA....

And finaly something on our general condition... toward victory and something funny... (or I think)

29% land coverage... not going very fast is it?
Notice we only build 2 workers :lol:

the others are all captured....

ChrTh · Jun 1, 2006

Nice initial slaughtering of Saladin! It may be mop up from here on out (might want to get Frigates guarding his coast to watch out for escaping Settlers)

namliaM, did you upload the save yet? Don't forget!

namliaM · Jun 1, 2006

I forget to upload the save... but here it is

and a couple more things to report
1) in 1655 I MM Thebes to get the bank the next turn instead of the turn there after. On getting that bank we jump from +302 to +367gpt
2) Gandhi completes the Kremlin in Delhi in 1664
3) We are still in 'peacefull build mode' ie. still the civics I revolted to....
4) We have now 2 missionaries to bring to Thebes, third is on its way. Think about spamming some missionaries and/or Monastaries
5) Steel is about to come in in 4 turns at -360gpt or something rediculous like that (I forgot the slider when the fighting began, so we have 1500 and some in the bank, but the slider should be at 100% now)

Sleepy time

p.s. allmost forget (again, its to late...)

Spoiler Autolog :

The log is a bit big.... Sorry guys... :blush:

Maquis · Jun 1, 2006

Good going on taking out the main offensive of Saladin! ChrTh is right, should be mop up from here on.

(I forgot the slider when the fighting began, so we have 1500 and some in the bank, but the slider should be at 100% now)

That's the one reason I don't like "binary research"... it's a level of MM that can be forgotten when something happens, i.e. get in the heat of battle. Since we've got so much in the bank, at least we can run 100% for awhile.

Roster time:

Maquis == On Deck
ChrTh
GreyFox
Eektor
namlaiM == Just played
bobrath == Up!

GreyFox · Jun 1, 2006

Nice going, namliaM! Excellent warring! Your name is now changed to namraW.

But (there is always a but) , couple of questions:

#1: Why unisuff? Do we have that many towns?

#2: you mention Gandhi is willing to throw in the DP??? when? your initial turnset where you check out the trade?

#3: in your last screenshots in the previous page ... what is that red thing in border??? :eek:

blood? The river is filled with the blood of the Arabs???? :eek:

The GNP boost of Gandhi is probably due to some civics switch.

WTH? Gandhi is attempting cultural or what??? Is that enabled?

1500g in bank, so we can do 100% all the way until we get steel, great!

Let's finish up Saladin ... the $1000 question is whether we leave saladin exiled to some remote city or end his miserable excuse of life.

ChrTh · Jun 1, 2006

Cultural is enabled, iirc, but remember, this is Epic so it'll require 75000 culture.

I see no reason to leave Saladin exiled as he can't give us any real tech benefit.

GreyFox · Jun 1, 2006

No, I am not thinking of tech extortion. I am thinking backdoor dmination. We need civ alive in that case, especially if we start considering PAs where the # teams get reduced.

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ChrTh · Jun 1, 2006

GreyFox said:
No, I am not thinking of tech extortion. I am thinking backdoor dmination. We need civ alive in that case, especially if we start considering PAs where the # teams get reduced.

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Gotcha. I'd just hate to leave him there. He'd annoy me. :twitch:

You need 3 Civs for Backdoor Domination
US
Gandhi
FDR
Cyrus

Since a Civ can only be in one PA, unless we PA with Gandhi (in which case we wouldn't need to Backdoor Dominate--straightup domination would be likely, I reckon) we'll still have 3 Civs for a vote.

GreyFox · Jun 1, 2006

That's assuming the other two don't get a PA of their own. Chances are, once the human player enters a PA, the remaining AI Civs would tend to follow suit. But I have never played no PA games, so I wouldn't know no nuts.

ChrTh · Jun 1, 2006

GreyFox said:
That's assuming the other two don't get a PA of their own. Chances are, once the human player enters a PA, the remaining AI Civs would tend to follow suit. But I have never played no PA games, so I wouldn't know no nuts.

No, I'm figuring the other two get a PA and that we're smart enough not to PA in that case

~~Of course, we can no longer enter a PA anyway, and I suspect that will be true for the rest of the game.~~ Scratch that, I misread something namliaM wrote. I suspect we'll be in this situation shortly, though.

GreyFox · Jun 1, 2006

Oh, okay. I see. We don't get PA, and FDR+Cyrus get PA, and hopefully would overtake Gandhi in pop, and become our UN opponent, and BAM, we win. Nice plan ...

BUt somehow iffy to me ... let eliminate everybody.

Except.

Baldy.

bobrath · Jun 1, 2006

Interesting stuff... Looks like the coming turns will be fairly straightforward.

One question tho, why is it essential that we get other religions spread to Thebes?

GreyFox · Jun 1, 2006

I guess so that someone in the old world can start spamming out missionaries to help out in the spreading of the religions which we have shines.

namliaM · Jun 2, 2006

GreyFox said:
Nice going, namliaM! Excellent warring! Your name is now changed to namraW.

Hmz, me is no good at warmongering... Learned a thing or 2 from Bede... but .... heck thanks.

GreyFox said:
#1: Why unisuff? Do we have that many towns?

Main reason is I wasnt going to be building any units for a bit, so Police state is one big waste (no more WW either). I thought Unisuff was the best choice + it helps our bureuacratic capital, which has some Towns. I think one of the problems we are having is particularly that, not enough towns. Take Moscow (again) to many cottages, no towns

GreyFox said:
#2: you mention Gandhi is willing to throw in the DP??? when? your initial turnset where you check out the trade?

No I didnt check the gem trade before, only at the start of my 'real' set. DP go out the window tho after declaring war offcourse...

GreyFox said:
#3: in your last screenshots in the previous page ... what is that red thing in border??? blood? The river is filled with the blood of the Arabs????

But offcourse, what else? Our blood? For losing 1 longbow? and 1 Knight? Have you never had such a big fight in one turn? If there are enough dead in a couple of turns near a river the game colors the river red...

GreyFox said:
The GNP boost of Gandhi is probably due to some civics switch.

But still you would see 1 big jump this is rizing all the time...

GreyFox said:
WTH? Gandhi is attempting cultural or what??? Is that enabled?

Only 1 city is currently hitting legendary, AI suck at culture too

GreyFox said:
1500g in bank, so we can do 100% all the way until we get steel, great!

We could fall just short, IIRC we are missing some 10's of gold. But Like I calculated, doing binary I could have gone 0science (near) all my set and still got Steel in the same turn.

GreyFox said:
Let's finish up Saladin ... the $1000 question is whether we leave saladin exiled to some remote city or end his miserable excuse of life.

I forget to log, That I used 2 boats to visit most of the little Islands. No saladin there, our lone Caravel is on a goto to check out the last one... IIRC that is NW of Gandhi...

bobrath said:
One question tho, why is it essential that we get other religions spread to Thebes?

Thebes is our #1 researcher, as specially now in Bureaucracy. If we spread the word there, it can build some Monastaries for more Beakers AND can build some missionaries for our homeland. In particular because Thebes is our main producer as well (again also due to Bureaucracy)

IIRC, I scheduled WestPoint at Thebes as well. Dont know if we want/need it. Thebes will run out of things to build relatively soon if we decide not to build Westpoint.

Oddly enough the AI dont know how to spread religion either, so some towns in HC country still need Taoism and need to be Confused. As well as a Bank and stuf in our holy city.

I left some signs in the game, chop a forest thats outside of any city cross and I think we should build 2 Mills in our second city (forget the name, the Horse town North of Thebes), it gains us 2 food. Which would allow us to work the tundra forrest (which offcourse should be Lumbermilled...)

bobrath · Jun 2, 2006

Ghandi's GNP boost? Try a shrine suddenly being built... add on any revenue increasing buildings in that city... well boom there's a wad of cash!

namliaM · Jun 2, 2006

Gandhi only has 1 religion, and that shrine was only build during my set.... No.. I think Gandhi got wize and started to work some cottages or something...

Maybe he got wize and finaly build some libraries or something? I dont know, but wow what a sky rocket... Lets follow him into the skies

Edit, I dont see anyone jumping in on the subject, but what do we want to do with our GE (darn my rotten luck!!) ??
He is parked in Thebes for now IIRC....

GreyFox · Jun 2, 2006

When are we getting Assline? Pentagon would be nice.

Else, there is no other useful wonders except 3GD (too far away, need plastics), or UN (if we want it). Then, I say join him to Ironworks city or learn a tech, doesn't matter.

dot · Jun 2, 2006

Hello everybody

!

@namraW: You've been attempting to rise the # of posts per turn? Nice set. :goodjob:

I like it.

GreyFox said:
#1: Why unisuff? Do we have that many towns?

Gandhi's preferred civic is UniSuff. I had a look @ the save. You've already gained +1 from it. Don't know if that still matters in your eyes ...

GreyFox said:
WTH? Gandhi is attempting cultural or what???

I've been thinking the same. But as ChrTh pointed out:

ChrTh said:
... but remember, this is Epic so it'll require 75000 culture.

Therefore it seems to be close to impossible for Gandhi to gain cultural victory. Though I don't know how many :culture:

points a Great Artist will contribute. But even then ... That doesn't seem likely.

Next tile to flip (due to :culture:

) might be the copper NE of cyrus' town on your home island. It's down to 50% persian

.
Oh and - minor detail - there are Clams in the BFT of Basra, next to your galleon, that are volunteering on being pillaged

BTW, Heliopolis didn't really turn out to be the next Nara, did it?

Well, finally, :goodjob:

all. Still exciting to watch you play ...
Wkr, dot

ChrTh · Jun 2, 2006

GreyFox said:
When are we getting Assline? Pentagon would be nice.

Else, there is no other useful wonders except 3GD (too far away, need plastics), or UN (if we want it). ~~Then, I say join him to Ironworks city or learn a tech, doesn't matter.~~

I've been thinking hard about the UN since last night. The question is: do we want to build it?

1) If Gandhi builds it, we'll be forever in votes against him; unless we can somehow get FDR to vote for us (either peacefully or us conquering him) we can't win diplo
2) If FDR or Cyrus build it, we win pretty much automatically
3) If we build it, and we can get FDR to have more pop than Gandhi, we can win ... but I'm not sure how close FDR and Gandhi are in pop

bobrath · Jun 2, 2006

Too bad we can't gift the GE to FDR and be sure he's going to use it for the UN....

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