SGOTM 03 - Smurkz

[zyxy]

Ok, well done!
I think you missed a trade opportunity on turn 0 which cost us a turn of research, but oh well.

It seems I miscalculated the build time of Apollo, because I thought at that time that "double production with Aluminum" means what it says. I now know that the Firaxis meaning of "double" is "+1". In hindsight we should have researched Rocketry before the Robotics path.

We could speed up Apollo by switching research to Biology now. Switch two of Kievs citizens away from farms to workshops (steal one from Vlad). This will lose 3 fpt, but Biology will come in just before starvation and stabilize the situation. And Apollo will be done in 16 turns instead of 20.

Mining the Uranium at Mozcow might be worth it. It trades two gold for two hammers.

The GA will help on Mass Media which is useless indeed. Will this change as we uncover more techs? Otherwise we could save him for a Golden Age, or add him as Artist to Shanghai (gold + culture).

Alex and Mozcow need more happiness. Temple?

There's a lot of gold available from the AI.

State property might be good towards the end, when there's nothing left to research: workshops all over the place!

 

[Methos]

Research: Switch to Biology (will complete in four turns)

Keiv: Take a workshop from Vlad and move two farmed grass citizens to workshops. Will shave four turns off of Apollog and cause the city to earn +3 /t. When Biology is complete we'll be at 1 so we will not lose any population.

Great People: Save the artist for a possible GA. The engineer from Fusion can either be used for a GA or if threatened to do a partial rush on the UN to make sure we're a candidate.

Techs Needed:

• Fusion (7 turns)
• Biology (4 turns)
• Refrigeration (4 turns)
• Genetics (7 turns)
• Satalites (6 turns)
• Ecology (5 turns)
• Robotics (8 turns)

The above is using 100% research, meaning we'd have all techs required in 41 turns. We should be able to continue with 100% research by trading techs and resources around.

Slider: Since we're obviously out teching our Apollo build realize that we can always lower our science rate and either take it as wealth or increase the culture rate for happiness.

Can't do it right now, but we need to discuss possible trades. We don't want to get any of the AI near Mass Media if possible. With the PA we could get royally screwed if the UN comes up. Hence my reasoning for saving the GE from Fusion as a backup to rush the UN. If we can get us as the Sec. Gen. we can keep the vote from happening.

Edit: I plan on playing tomorrow night.

 

[unkle]

Would we consider rushing (and cash rushing if required) Space elevator ?

 

[Methos]

Would we consider rushing (and cash rushing if required) Space elevator ?

We could use the GE from Fusion to rush it. I'd forgotten about the SE.

 

[zyxy]

Plan looks good. One comment, one question:
- We should first research Biology. Then Fusion, and then Robotics.
- To win by diplo, an AI needs support from a significant part of the world. Is this feasible? Perhaps we alone represent enough pop to prevent that?

 

[Methos]

- To win by diplo, an AI needs support from a significant part of the world. Is this feasible? Perhaps we alone represent enough pop to prevent that?

Remember that there is a PA out there, meaning more than likely one of the members of the PA would qualify as a candidate due to the increased land. Second is their ally will vote for them, so they already have a significant advantage. Granted, this doesn't mean they'll win, but I'd rather not push it.

I'd only consider the UN if it looks like someone else is about to finish it. Otherwise, ignore it if possible.

 

[Methos]

Turn 397 (1764 AD)
Methos: Switch to Biology
Research begun: Biology
Methos: Keiv steals Vlad's workshop and two farmers switch to it and another workshop
Methos: Mansa: We get WM and 720 ; we give Fission
Methos: Hatty: We get WM and 590 ; we give Fission
Methos: I agree on mining the uranium, but I believe we should wait until we need the .
Alexandria begins: Hindu Temple
Methos: Alexandria switches to a temple for the extra happiness. It'll take eight turns.
Ravenna finishes: Courthouse
Beijing grows: 15
Rome finishes: Aqueduct
Neapolis finishes: University

Turn 398 (1766 AD)
Ravenna begins: Drydock
Rome begins: Barracks
Neapolis begins: Factory
Methos: Washington asks for an OB and I agree
Irkutzk finishes: Infantry

Turn 399 (1768 AD)
Irkutzk begins: Infantry
Jeanne d'Arc (Great Prophet) born in Antium

Turn 400 (1770 AD)
Methos: We get a great prophet who can't bulb anything. I have no idea what to do with him, so I let him sleep.
Tech learned: Biology
Smurkzgrad finishes: Infantry
Beijing finishes: Coal Plant
Arretium grows: 10
Rome grows: 15
Rome finishes: Barracks
Neapolis grows: 9
Antium finishes: Laboratory

Turn 401 (1772 AD)
Research begun: Fusion
Smurkzgrad begins: Infantry
Beijing begins: Harbor
Rome begins: Infantry
Antium begins: Barracks
Ravenna finishes: Drydock

Turn 402 (1774 AD)
Ravenna begins: Battleship
Beijing finishes: Harbor

Turn 403 (1776 AD)
Beijing begins: Drydock
Mozcow finishes: Grocer
Irkutzk finishes: Infantry
Antium finishes: Barracks

Turn 404 (1778 AD)
Mozcow begins: Courthouse
Irkutzk begins: Infantry
Antium begins: Infantry
Alexandria finishes: Hindu Temple

Turn 405 (1780 AD)
Smurkzgrad finishes: Infantry
Rome finishes: Infantry

Turn 406 (1782 AD)
Smurkzgrad begins: Infantry
Rome begins: Infantry
Methos: Louis: We get WM and 500+ ; we give Fission
Tech learned: Fusion
Nichola Tesla (Great Engineer) born in Mozcow
Beijing finishes: Drydock
Neapolis's borders expand

Turn 407 (1784 AD)
Research begun: Robotics
Beijing begins: Battleship
Methos: HC demands Biology and I give in. We don't need a war right now.
Methos: Our GE sleeps
Irkutzk finishes: Infantry
Vladivostok grows: 18
Ravenna finishes: Battleship

Turn 408 (1786 AD)
Irkutzk begins: Infantry
Ravenna begins: Battleship

Turn 409 (1788 AD)
Great Scientist born in Vladivostok
Antium finishes: Infantry

Turn 410 (1790 AD)
Methos: We get a great scientist who is able to bulb Flight. He sleeps too.
Mozcow finishes: Courthouse
Vladivostok finishes: Courthouse
Smurkzgrad finishes: Infantry
Arretium finishes: Observatory
Rome finishes: Infantry
Cumae finishes: Infantry
Neapolis grows: 10
Islam has spread: Arretium

Turn 411 (1792 AD)
Arretium begins: Laboratory
Irkutzk finishes: Infantry
Beijing grows: 16
Beijing finishes: Battleship
Arretium grows: 11

Turn 412 (1794 AD)
Methos: BTW, just to help pay our bills I've been selling Biology to just about anyone who has more than 200
Kiev finishes: Apollo Program
Ravenna finishes: Battleship

Turn 413 (1796 AD)

We just finished the Apollo Program and I thought this would be a good point to discuss who builds what. Most cities are on either wealth or research so nearly everyone is able to build SS parts. Note, Keiv can be switched I just set it to its current build for the moment.

Here's the 1796 AD save

Spoiler Turn Log :

Turn 397, 1764 AD: Switch to Biology
Turn 397, 1764 AD: Keiv steals Vlad's workshop and two farmers switch to it and another workshop
Turn 397, 1764 AD: Mansa: We get WM and 720 ; we give Fission
Turn 397, 1764 AD: Hatty: We get WM and 590 ; we give Fission
Turn 397, 1764 AD: I agree on mining the uranium, but I believe we should wait until we need the .
Turn 397, 1764 AD: Alexandria switches to a temple for the extra happiness. It'll take eight turns.

Turn 398, 1766 AD: Washington asks for an OB and I agree
Turn 398, 1766 AD: Julius Caesar adopts Serfdom!
Turn 398, 1766 AD: Julius Caesar adopts Theocracy!

Turn 399, 1768 AD: Jeanne d'Arc has been born in Antium!

Turn 400, 1770 AD: We get a great prophet who can't bulb anything. I have no idea what to do with him, so I let him sleep.
Turn 400, 1770 AD: You have discovered Biology!
Turn 400, 1770 AD: Beijing celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!

Turn 401, 1772 AD: Beijing celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!

Turn 402, 1774 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Athens!

Turn 403, 1776 AD: J. S. Bach has been born in Kyoto!

Turn 404, 1778 AD: You have constructed a Hindu Temple in Alexandria. Work has now begun on Rock N Roll.

Turn 406, 1782 AD: Louis: We get WM and 500+ ; we give Fission
Turn 406, 1782 AD: Nichola Tesla has been born in Mozcow!
Turn 406, 1782 AD: You have discovered Fusion!
Turn 406, 1782 AD: The borders of Neapolis have expanded!

Turn 407, 1784 AD: HC demands Biology and I give in. We don't need a war right now.
Turn 407, 1784 AD: Our GE sleeps

Turn 409, 1788 AD: Alexander has 190 gold available for trade
Turn 409, 1788 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Vladivostok!

Turn 410, 1790 AD: We get a great scientist who is able to bulb Flight. He sleeps too.
Turn 410, 1790 AD: Isabella has 140 gold available for trade
Turn 410, 1790 AD: Beijing will grow to size 16 on the next turn
Turn 410, 1790 AD: Neapolis has grown to size 10
Turn 410, 1790 AD: Islam has spread in Arretium.
Turn 410, 1790 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Nanjing!

Turn 411, 1792 AD: Hatshepsut has 160 gold available for trade
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Gandhi has 300 gold available for trade
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Isabella has 200 gold available for trade
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Frederick has 100 gold available for trade
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Alexander has 250 gold available for trade
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Beijing celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Beijing has grown to size 16
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Arretium has grown to size 11
Turn 411, 1792 AD: Huayna Capac adopts Free Speech!

Turn 412, 1794 AD: BTW, just to help pay our bills I've been selling Biology to just about anyone who has more than 200
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Mansa Musa has 60 gold available for trade
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Tokugawa has 60 gold available for trade
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Smurkz has completed Apollo Program!
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Beijing celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Shanghai will grow to size 9 on the next turn
Turn 412, 1794 AD: Kublai Khan has completed The Pentagon!
Turn 412, 1794 AD: A Chinese revolt has taken place in Shanghai!

 

[battchy]

I'm away from my game computer, but I did some work on this last night. Note, if we steal some tiles from Shanghai, we can make Beijings base production quite a bit higher (up to 52 if memory serves). That made Kiev and Beijing our best cities by my research. Working from there, the other cities that had production in the 40's could all finish a Casing between 14 and 17 turns, while the Engine in Kiev would take 23 (iirc), and Beijing would finish the cockpit in +/-20 as well. The question comes up, though, that we are 1 turn away from robotics, which opens the stasis chamber. Anyway, others are better at the number crunching than I, but that's what I found.

BTW: Is the last save a handoff? I will not be able to play until Friday night, so if you want to get a few more turns in, Methos, fine with me.

 

[Methos]

BTW: Is the last save a handoff? I will not be able to play until Friday night, so if you want to get a few more turns in, Methos, fine with me.

Yeah, it was a handoff. We need to discuss where to build each SS part.

Any suggestions anyone?

 

[battchy]

Any suggestions, or should I go ahead and play tonight?

Cheers,
B

 

[unkle]

@battchy:
sorry for low input, but I do not have all the time I expected (the twin sisters are ill, that's a tough period....). I can only give generic advices, which you probably do not need anyway...

Anyway here they are :
- use engineers liberaly (we have huge production multipliers on big cities for SS parts)
- getting 2 more GP would be nice, whatever they are, if we want to trigger GA (could be worth it) since we already have 3 waiting (GS, GP and GA iirc). The GE could be used to rush the Elevator.

What we could try is for you to start playing 1 turn for robotics and look at if the elevator is useful (ir how fast can we rush it). In any case I'd suggest stopping in your turnset whenever you think something should be discussed...

That's some low level input but in any case go Smurkz

 

[battchy]

save

This is what I did in between upload and my 1 enter to get robotics...

Kiev -> Theatre (took 1 turn to finish and I wanted Kiev free for post Robotics decisions...had 14hammer rollover too)
Irk -> Casing
Smurkz -> Casing
Rome -> Casing
Ant -> Casing
Rav -> Cockpit
Beij -> Engine
Arret -> Docks
Moscow -> Open for use as it's our next best production city. W/ engineer, SE will cost +/-30 turns here, but would open Kiev to get to "work" on something now. It can finish our last Casing in about 18 w/o SE.

So w/ the engineer, Kiev would be able to finish SE in 10-11 turns. That won't help "most" of the casing parts being built (some a little), but it will help the Engine, Stasis Chamber, Cockpit (some), and Thrusters (we need 3). I think it's workth it.

Also, I sold techs for diplo (def. pact w/ Mansa and "make peace" with a couple others), and cash (+/-700gp and sold no tech that cost more than 6,000 beakers).

Please advise as I will not be able to play again for 24 hours. If anyone wants to take it from here before that like that 1 turn was a hand-off, feel free. We are on a serious clock.

Cheers,
B

 

[zyxy]

SE in Kiev sounds like a good idea to me, much better than Mozcow. The sooner we get this the better. And please use the great engineer for this.

We could consider starting a GA as soon as SE is finished. That should help both production and research.

I think battchy is right - anyone who feels like playing a set should pick it up now. We lose too much time because people who are up don't have time to play. (I don't really have time today, unfortunately).

 

[unkle]

We could be able to cash rush the SE if we need to, by shutting down science for several turns... It could save 1/2 production turns...

I cannot take the save now, but I should have sometime tomorrow CET. I agree on having an anarchistic turnset I want us to finish this one... We should be at ~60 turns from completion. So let's play.

 

[Methos]

Please advise as I will not be able to play again for 24 hours. If anyone wants to take it from here before that like that 1 turn was a hand-off, feel free. We are on a serious clock.

Got it.

I'll play a few turns as I have some time to spare. Playing right now.

 

[Methos]

Turn 415 (1800 AD)
Methos: Gandhi asked me to go to war with someone, which I declined. Odd thing is, Gandhi isn't currently at war with anyone. I believe it was the Japanese that he's angry with.
Antium grows: 14

Turn 416 (1802 AD)
Shanghai's borders expand

Turn 417 (1804 AD)
Rome grows: 16

Turn 418 (1806 AD)

Turn 419 (1808 AD)
Smurkzgrad's borders expand

Turn 420 (1810 AD)
Vladivostok grows: 19

Turn 421 (1811 AD)
Methos: Victoria declares on Toku

Turn 422 (1812 AD)
Beijing grows: 17
Arretium grows: 12

Turn 423 (1813 AD)
Methos: We cash rush the Space Elevator.
Methos: Research is pushed back to 100%.
Kiev finishes: The Space Elevator

Turn 424 (1814 AD)

Turn 425 (1815 AD)
Methos: Izzy We get 290 ; we give Combustion
Rome finishes: SS Casing
Antium finishes: SS Casing

Turn 426 (1816 AD)
Irkutzk finishes: SS Casing

Turn 427 (1817 AD)
Irkutzk begins: Theatre
Tech learned: Satellites
Irkutzk finishes: Theatre

Turn 428 (1818 AD)
Research begun: Refrigeration
Research begun: Genetics
Smurkzgrad finishes: SS Casing

Turn 429 (1819 AD)
Ravenna finishes: SS Cockpit

Turn 430 (1820 AD)

Turn 431 (1821 AD)
Tech learned: Refrigeration

Turn 432 (1822 AD)

Watch each city closesly and its production time. We need to make sure everything finishes right about the same time at the very end. Go for Genetics first as its part costs more than the other techs does. Sorry, I can't remember the names atm.

Here's the 1822 AD save

Spoiler Turn Log :

Turn 414, 1798 AD: First thing I use the GE to rush the SE. We gain +1140 out of 3000 needed.
Turn 414, 1798 AD: Why are cities building stuff that won't be finished until after this game is over? I set them to research or something that will finish.
Turn 414, 1798 AD: In Keiv I switch a farmed plain to cottaged uranium. Additional with a little starvation.
Turn 414, 1798 AD: It isn't worth switching the cottaged uranium to a mine as we won't gain any doing it, just lose some , so I leave it as is.
Turn 414, 1798 AD: Why is Mozcow building a Worker? We don't have anything for the current ones to do.
Turn 414, 1798 AD: Turn research off for a little while, so we can cash rush SE like unkle mentioned.

Turn 415, 1800 AD: Gandhi asked me to go to war with someone, which I declined. Odd thing is, Gandhi isn't currently at war with anyone. I believe it was the Japanese that he's angry with.
Turn 415, 1800 AD: Aretas III has been born in Kumbi Saleh!
Turn 415, 1800 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Mecca!

Turn 416, 1802 AD: The borders of Shanghai have expanded!
Turn 416, 1802 AD: Frederick adopts Free Market!
Turn 416, 1802 AD: Frederick adopts Free Religion!

Turn 419, 1808 AD: The borders of Smurkzgrad have expanded!

Turn 420, 1810 AD: Victoria has declared war on Tokugawa!

Turn 421, 1811 AD: Victoria declares on Toku
Turn 421, 1811 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Sparta!

Turn 422, 1812 AD: Cyrus adopts Vassalage!

Turn 423, 1813 AD: We cash rush the Space Elevator.
Turn 423, 1813 AD: Research is pushed back to 100%.
Turn 423, 1813 AD: Smurkz has completed The Space Elevator!
Turn 423, 1813 AD: Thomas Edison has been born in London!
Turn 423, 1813 AD: Guglielmo Marconi has been born in Elephantine!

Turn 424, 1814 AD: Great Scientist has been born in Tarsus!
Turn 424, 1814 AD: Julius Caesar adopts Free Religion!

Turn 425, 1815 AD: Izzy We get 290 ; we give Combustion
Turn 425, 1815 AD: You have discovered a source of Uranium near Kiev!
Turn 425, 1815 AD: Smurkz has completed SS Casing!
Turn 425, 1815 AD: Smurkz has completed SS Casing!

Turn 426, 1816 AD: Smurkz has completed SS Casing!

Turn 427, 1817 AD: You have discovered Satellites!
Turn 427, 1817 AD: Gandhi has completed Rock N Roll!

Turn 428, 1818 AD: Alexandria can no longer work on Rock N Roll. The lost ? is converted into 200?!
Turn 428, 1818 AD: Smurkz has completed SS Casing!
Turn 428, 1818 AD: Antium celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!

Turn 429, 1819 AD: Smurkz has completed SS Cockpit!
Turn 429, 1819 AD: Antium celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 429, 1819 AD: Julius Caesar has declared war on Tokugawa!
Turn 429, 1819 AD: Gandhi has made peace with Tokugawa!

Turn 430, 1820 AD: Julius Caesar has 360 gold available for trade
Turn 430, 1820 AD: Montezuma has 80 gold available for trade
Turn 430, 1820 AD: Gandhi adopts Free Religion!

Turn 431, 1821 AD: Mansa Musa has 50 gold available for trade
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Gandhi has 80 gold available for trade
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Washington has 190 gold available for trade
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Huayna Capac/Kublai Khan has 120 gold available for trade
Turn 431, 1821 AD: You have discovered Refrigeration!
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Alexandre Gustave Eiffel has been born in Memphis!
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Washington adopts Universal Suffrage!
Turn 431, 1821 AD: Washington adopts Emancipation!

 

[battchy]

I can take it over the next couple hours. I'll wait 2 hours then look to play a few turns.

"Got It" of sorts.

B

 

[Niklas]

I think the road from here is fairly well mapped. As Methos says, watch city production closely, that's almost all there is to it. Good luck!

 

[zyxy]

Good luck, battchy!

When we get (close) to the end of the research path, let's replace cottages by workshops in the builder cities (while there is surplus food).

The important thing is to make sure that the final part finishes as soon as possible.

 

[battchy]

save

1822) Pick up save, trade Julius Communism for 240g

1823) Neopolis revolts. Ravenna -> Destroyer which will finish when Genetics is done.

1824) Gems -> Monty for 6gpt. NOTE! Louis has Mass Media, giving access to UN. We can research MM in 4 turns and build the UN in Kiev in 17 turns. I don't think it's worth chasing, but please chime in. Enter, save, and posted.

Please take the game if you want after discussion on UN chase. Or I can do more turns for the next 4 hours, then I'm done for the night, probably.

B