SGOTM 03 - Team VQ
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GreyFox
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TPTB??? Why would the Moderator help us? 
Anyway, I like the idea of attacking a city util it has only defender and asking Monty to attack that city, but I think we can do it simultaneously. Once we lock onto the next target city, we would ask monty to do that. By time his force arrive, we should have already reduced the city to a single defender. Oh, BTW, we should probably help monty a bit in his growth (gifting him happy and health resources)
I think the Mongolia campaign is coming to an end .... we have reduced KK from 130+ votes to a mere 10%. It's time to knock on JC's door. Try to get MM jump on the boat with that one. But we have to position our forces first. Adding troops to Myceane is a no-brainer. We can stationed some forces in Vicky's southern coast to attack Roman. Be careful abt Sally as well. He has some cities neighboring Monty, so those would be good to apply bobrath's idea on.
I imagine there would be some turns of peace between Mongolian campaign and the Roman campaign. Made use of these turns to see if we can sign a defensive pact with Izzy, Gandhi, Mansa. If we could, maybe the DP will add diplomatic points such that we don't even need to go to war with JC/Sally ... (yeah, I know it's wishful thinking, but no harm trying)
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Anyway, I like the idea of attacking a city util it has only defender and asking Monty to attack that city, but I think we can do it simultaneously. Once we lock onto the next target city, we would ask monty to do that. By time his force arrive, we should have already reduced the city to a single defender. Oh, BTW, we should probably help monty a bit in his growth (gifting him happy and health resources)
I think the Mongolia campaign is coming to an end .... we have reduced KK from 130+ votes to a mere 10%. It's time to knock on JC's door. Try to get MM jump on the boat with that one. But we have to position our forces first. Adding troops to Myceane is a no-brainer. We can stationed some forces in Vicky's southern coast to attack Roman. Be careful abt Sally as well. He has some cities neighboring Monty, so those would be good to apply bobrath's idea on.
I imagine there would be some turns of peace between Mongolian campaign and the Roman campaign. Made use of these turns to see if we can sign a defensive pact with Izzy, Gandhi, Mansa. If we could, maybe the DP will add diplomatic points such that we don't even need to go to war with JC/Sally ... (yeah, I know it's wishful thinking, but no harm trying)
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Good idea about getting Monty to attack a defenseless city. With gunships you can even leave the city empty too for him and make it real easy??? Just one question I have yet to see an AI actually follow a request to attack a certain city. They may see it as just sending some destroyers but Monty is one of the few that is good at sending out stacks (if he's strong)
As to DPing with somebody. Ok if we DP with Gandhi then we probably get his votes but not enough for diplo shy maybe 200 votes still or more. Also then we get negatives with Isabella/Mansa again. Mansa will be tough to get to vote diplomatically for us. Isabella is probably 1 point away. But only a crappy 64 votes. It does sound like though you mean to DP with all three. mmmmm then each gets a negative modifier and a positive which will increase over time. (I am certain MM won't DP with us he doesn't like us enough but Gandhi/Isabella probably will) That's 200 votes there plus our near 700 leaves us needing exactly what JC has. (126 votes I think)
EDIT:So another look at this vote just to see where we are at:
Our votes including Vicky/Monty ===== 695 votes
Gandhi ===== 144 votes
Isabella ===== 64 votes
TOTAL 903 votes
Votes from JC's lands
(to whomever we get to take
the cities) 126 votes
That's a total of 1029 votes and we need 1035 which continually increases with every vote as Bob pointed out some AI's are growing very fast. We need to have Gandhi/Isabella voting for us diplomatically and I don't think we can get MM to do so as he's only at +6 with us and +3 with Vicky.
So not bloody likely we get diplo vote without some more conquest. We will need to take JC's lands which again even we take all his lands we may not have enough so what to do????
If anything the one civ that is close to vote diplo for us is Isabella. She would also be the perfect one to gift cities too if she'll take them. Getting Monty to attack a city is a crapshoot. Getting Isabella to vote for us is possible and she can take on more cities without affecting who's the contender.
We certainly are in a bit of predicament regarding the votes. I am thinking in the long run we might have paid better attention to the diplomacy. I have not paid enough attention to it in the beginning simply because of the challenge of 18 civs. Again I think the religion aspect would have helped somewhat but it would be interesting as Bob stated to see what would have happened had we PA'd with Vicky before Monty capitulation. Could we have won the vote without vassal. We could have also just let the PA go as Vicky was voting for us anyways. I know it's very tempting to have a PA as it locks them in but under these circumstances we might avoided the PA after capitulation until diplo vote to see what affect it would have had.
And Bob don't be scared it's just a game afterall If we don't get the first spot no big deal we are doing this for the fun right. Maybe next GOTM we can get a win once we get our flow.
As to DPing with somebody. Ok if we DP with Gandhi then we probably get his votes but not enough for diplo shy maybe 200 votes still or more. Also then we get negatives with Isabella/Mansa again. Mansa will be tough to get to vote diplomatically for us. Isabella is probably 1 point away. But only a crappy 64 votes. It does sound like though you mean to DP with all three. mmmmm then each gets a negative modifier and a positive which will increase over time. (I am certain MM won't DP with us he doesn't like us enough but Gandhi/Isabella probably will) That's 200 votes there plus our near 700 leaves us needing exactly what JC has. (126 votes I think)
EDIT:So another look at this vote just to see where we are at:
Our votes including Vicky/Monty ===== 695 votes
Gandhi ===== 144 votes
Isabella ===== 64 votes
TOTAL 903 votes
Votes from JC's lands
(to whomever we get to take
the cities) 126 votes
That's a total of 1029 votes and we need 1035 which continually increases with every vote as Bob pointed out some AI's are growing very fast. We need to have Gandhi/Isabella voting for us diplomatically and I don't think we can get MM to do so as he's only at +6 with us and +3 with Vicky.
So not bloody likely we get diplo vote without some more conquest. We will need to take JC's lands which again even we take all his lands we may not have enough so what to do????
If anything the one civ that is close to vote diplo for us is Isabella. She would also be the perfect one to gift cities too if she'll take them. Getting Monty to attack a city is a crapshoot. Getting Isabella to vote for us is possible and she can take on more cities without affecting who's the contender.
We certainly are in a bit of predicament regarding the votes. I am thinking in the long run we might have paid better attention to the diplomacy. I have not paid enough attention to it in the beginning simply because of the challenge of 18 civs. Again I think the religion aspect would have helped somewhat but it would be interesting as Bob stated to see what would have happened had we PA'd with Vicky before Monty capitulation. Could we have won the vote without vassal. We could have also just let the PA go as Vicky was voting for us anyways. I know it's very tempting to have a PA as it locks them in but under these circumstances we might avoided the PA after capitulation until diplo vote to see what affect it would have had.
And Bob don't be scared it's just a game afterall If we don't get the first spot no big deal we are doing this for the fun right. Maybe next GOTM we can get a win once we get our flow.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Oh, right, DP will cause diplo -ve points ... then, perhaps it is not a good idea.
A bit too early to be doing post-mortem ... but I agree with your analysis on the PA and religions.
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A bit too early to be doing post-mortem ... but I agree with your analysis on the PA and religions.
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
I agree, too early for post mortem however it will take a miracle to beat 1826.
I am certain we will beat this no question as we have done very well over all however not likely we win the SGOTM. There are some other teams using the domination approach but there are others that are doing something different. (CFR-W??)
Trash team may not even have won and probably another team will finish earlier than that so at this point I wouldn't worry about the competition anymore. Let's just finish the game and enjoy ourselves in doing that.
EDIT: Just another thought but maybe we should have chosen space race. Diplomatic is a mixed bag at best even more so with 18 civs. I am playing a SP game now and had Augustus voting for me as well as diplomatically. All of sudden he decides that Peter of Russia is his worst enemy. Guess what Peter is my best friend and we are trading like crazy. So now Augustus gets a negative for me trading with his worst enemy???? I have been trading with Peter since the beginning of the game???
When I went to check with Peter he's cautious with Augustus and says to me he can trust him sometimes???? Why would one AI consider another worst enemy when the enemy civ is cautious with them. Makes no sense and in that case Peter should have been annoyed too.
I am certain we will beat this no question as we have done very well over all however not likely we win the SGOTM. There are some other teams using the domination approach but there are others that are doing something different. (CFR-W??)
Trash team may not even have won and probably another team will finish earlier than that so at this point I wouldn't worry about the competition anymore. Let's just finish the game and enjoy ourselves in doing that.
EDIT: Just another thought but maybe we should have chosen space race. Diplomatic is a mixed bag at best even more so with 18 civs. I am playing a SP game now and had Augustus voting for me as well as diplomatically. All of sudden he decides that Peter of Russia is his worst enemy. Guess what Peter is my best friend and we are trading like crazy. So now Augustus gets a negative for me trading with his worst enemy???? I have been trading with Peter since the beginning of the game???
When I went to check with Peter he's cautious with Augustus and says to me he can trust him sometimes???? Why would one AI consider another worst enemy when the enemy civ is cautious with them. Makes no sense and in that case Peter should have been annoyed too.
bobrath
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TPTB??? Why would the Moderator help us?
hee hee, I was referring to you and Cosmic (and any more silent teammates and lurkers!)
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Sirian Doctrine
This method is quite awesome in taking coastal cities very fast. We have not yet practiced the true Sirian Doctrine and since time is of the essence perhaps we can get a navy together that has the following:
3 aircraft carrier loaded with planes (total of 9 fighters)
3 battleships
3 destroyers
3 transport loaded with amphibious units mostly like Marines...
Now if we were aggressive then we could add amphibious to infantry on combat II level. So of course marines would be better. I find that you wouldn't need more than 2 transports loaded but 3 is definitely better.
Like Sirian's site says we swoop in on the targeted city (hopefully JC hasn't got flight yet but if he does we might need bombers too) take out defenses with battleships/destroyers. Use fighters to weaken defenders and then attack with amphibious units never touching land. Now if we suspect the defender is going to have a huge counterattack this is what I do now in that case. Take it down to the last unit and wait:
1. either he reinforces it again and rinse and repeat
2. he doesn't reinforce and you simply move onto to another city to take out more defenders.
You can really wear down the AI this way and weaken him enough to make a landing without too much of a counterattack. The AI does though seem to always when capitol is taken manage to send some troops and do damage. The nice thing about aircraft is the ability to scout out what's there and plan for it.
To make this work even better have at least one city with an airport (military city) and airlift infantry CD2 defenders to hold the city once taken amphibiously.
By using this tactic you end up getting some serious attackers. Of course it is better to have amphibious units with City Raider but only Ragnar offers that possilibility with Berserkers. (or with any other civ can be promoted once level II combat is reached)
Having a landing of troops too is necessary so that the amphibious just can go from city to city taking out defenders. So maybe a couple of transports with some strong offensive units.
Since we are in US we can easily buy the necessary navy and use this method. Tried this method using Ragnar and I have to say it works way better than making a landing and get attacked before you can attack. I do find if the AI has aircraft then it doesn't work as well as fighters don't do so well in strike when there is aircraft to counter. Bombers suffer enough and need a sh#tload of them. So let's hope he hasn't got aircraft yet but he most likely has SAM infantry.
Good Luck looking forward to your turn........ (GO GET EM)
This method is quite awesome in taking coastal cities very fast. We have not yet practiced the true Sirian Doctrine and since time is of the essence perhaps we can get a navy together that has the following:
3 aircraft carrier loaded with planes (total of 9 fighters)
3 battleships
3 destroyers
3 transport loaded with amphibious units mostly like Marines...
Now if we were aggressive then we could add amphibious to infantry on combat II level. So of course marines would be better. I find that you wouldn't need more than 2 transports loaded but 3 is definitely better.
Like Sirian's site says we swoop in on the targeted city (hopefully JC hasn't got flight yet but if he does we might need bombers too) take out defenses with battleships/destroyers. Use fighters to weaken defenders and then attack with amphibious units never touching land. Now if we suspect the defender is going to have a huge counterattack this is what I do now in that case. Take it down to the last unit and wait:
1. either he reinforces it again and rinse and repeat
2. he doesn't reinforce and you simply move onto to another city to take out more defenders.
You can really wear down the AI this way and weaken him enough to make a landing without too much of a counterattack. The AI does though seem to always when capitol is taken manage to send some troops and do damage. The nice thing about aircraft is the ability to scout out what's there and plan for it.
To make this work even better have at least one city with an airport (military city) and airlift infantry CD2 defenders to hold the city once taken amphibiously.
By using this tactic you end up getting some serious attackers. Of course it is better to have amphibious units with City Raider but only Ragnar offers that possilibility with Berserkers. (or with any other civ can be promoted once level II combat is reached)
Having a landing of troops too is necessary so that the amphibious just can go from city to city taking out defenders. So maybe a couple of transports with some strong offensive units.
Since we are in US we can easily buy the necessary navy and use this method. Tried this method using Ragnar and I have to say it works way better than making a landing and get attacked before you can attack. I do find if the AI has aircraft then it doesn't work as well as fighters don't do so well in strike when there is aircraft to counter. Bombers suffer enough and need a sh#tload of them. So let's hope he hasn't got aircraft yet but he most likely has SAM infantry.
Good Luck looking forward to your turn........ (GO GET EM)
bobrath
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Well without doing much of anything (yeah sure), My turns just kind of went through the paces and I've left some "suspense" for the next player.
Start of my turns, I gifted any extra resource (happy or health) to Monty. I also sold rice to Izzy for 2gpt and clams to Ghandi for 1 gpt - with the thought that when we do get them to vote for us, we want them as big as possible. Right? Maybe a small mistake with Ghandi if he grows past Tok (hindsight, so feel free to cancel this deal with him).
In my first real turn, I captured Otrar (Iceball) and then took Tiflis in exchange for a 10 turn peace treaty with KK. Why peace? Tiflis has two fishes and instantly came online (to start growing votes) with only a single possible land square. Its the ideal way to avoid domination while working towards diplomacy. Also, we were no where near KKs other two cities with any real landing force so why keep incurring WW? Upon taking peace, I reduced culture spending to 0 - trying to minimize any border expansion on our part. I also kicked off a Golden Age to take advantage of the peace time. Phew!
I hit enter and her the war horns!!!
That's one uptight little mongolian. I do nothing and expect that in 10 turns when our peace treaty expires that Mansa will come ask us for some sort of (+ to diplo) help. Muah ha ha!
Next Turn Izzy comes begging for knowledge. Why certainly my pretty.
Next turn, Izzy moves to +12 with us (but it wasn't in time for the dip vote to be affected...)
Aparently word got around that the Russians were feeling generous and Mansa came asking for some teachin... Giving us Plastics in exchange for Computers AND 10,000 gold. I don't think so. He stayed at Pleased with us (if still a bit dumb).
Sec gen vote comes up again and we can almost vote ourselves in, but appreciate other nationly support.
In this same turn, I notice a sudden japanese fleet sniffing around our french empire... Multiple Galleons and Frigates. I check the dip screen and notice that Tok is Annoyed with Vikki! Alert sirens start going off. We're a neighbor to Tok for the first time in the game (thanks to french lands) and that might up his anxiety enough for a *dumb* attack. The last thing I want to do is to go into a war with Tok where he starts sacrificing population for more units. Esp since I can't chance taking any cities for fear of making a certain Bald Indian our UN opponent. UGLY!!
In an ugly portent, we complete Mt. Rushmore in 1813. Oddly enough Tok continues to sale past our lands. Did my sudden arrival of transports and bombers change his mind?
Two years in a row, Ghandi comes to us with requests and offers:
I acceded/accepted both. I want his votes!!! Obviously, JC is not very taken with us. PFFT.
I hit enter figuring that Tok is molified, Ghandi is approaching a tipping point, and Mansa may fall into our lap (oh and Izzy continues to be beautiful). WAR HORNS!!!
Its simply amazing. I just sit back in stunned silence. We're now at +11 with Ghandi and +12 with Izzy. The Dip vote comes up and I quickly vote for VQ/Victoria and hit Enter. The next turn is spent getting units into place for any needed war action on KK, JC, Saladin, or a "fake" war with Tok. For the first three, we should do everything we can to weaken and knock down the cities making sure that Monty, Mansa, or Izzy do most of the capturing. If its a war with Tok, then we start sinking ships and protecting what we own. As I said way up above, the last thing we do is actually help land a single troop on Japanese lands - oh and settle for peace asap if at all possible. We want Izzy to ask for help so we can say yes. We don't want Tok hurt. Its a fine pickle.
Two carriers are built (and 3rd/4th will be done soon). Only 2 fighters on those carriers so far, but lots in the pipeline. Transports (loaded) and bombers are placed at key locations for any offensive.
Technology, I researched Plastics and have been working on Satelites so taht we can research Composites - which will give us jets and Modern Armor. After that I'd suggest Future tech for the + to happy and health. I am indeed running at 0%/0% so feel free to spend like crazy. I didn't MM cities other then trying to make sure every sea based resource had workboats (at 201g a pop). I'm doing my damndest to increase our voting strength.
Here's the domination clock at my turn end:
I'm looking forward to seeing how the current Dip vote turns out (upon hitting enter). There are moves available for all transports and bombers if the next player feels uppity. I would suggest holding off on any aggresion until we see the vote results AND get a chance to be asked in.
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Start of my turns, I gifted any extra resource (happy or health) to Monty. I also sold rice to Izzy for 2gpt and clams to Ghandi for 1 gpt - with the thought that when we do get them to vote for us, we want them as big as possible. Right? Maybe a small mistake with Ghandi if he grows past Tok (hindsight, so feel free to cancel this deal with him).
In my first real turn, I captured Otrar (Iceball) and then took Tiflis in exchange for a 10 turn peace treaty with KK. Why peace? Tiflis has two fishes and instantly came online (to start growing votes) with only a single possible land square. Its the ideal way to avoid domination while working towards diplomacy. Also, we were no where near KKs other two cities with any real landing force so why keep incurring WW? Upon taking peace, I reduced culture spending to 0 - trying to minimize any border expansion on our part. I also kicked off a Golden Age to take advantage of the peace time. Phew!
I hit enter and her the war horns!!!
That's one uptight little mongolian. I do nothing and expect that in 10 turns when our peace treaty expires that Mansa will come ask us for some sort of (+ to diplo) help. Muah ha ha!
Next Turn Izzy comes begging for knowledge. Why certainly my pretty.
Next turn, Izzy moves to +12 with us (but it wasn't in time for the dip vote to be affected...)
Aparently word got around that the Russians were feeling generous and Mansa came asking for some teachin... Giving us Plastics in exchange for Computers AND 10,000 gold. I don't think so. He stayed at Pleased with us (if still a bit dumb).
Sec gen vote comes up again and we can almost vote ourselves in, but appreciate other nationly support.
In this same turn, I notice a sudden japanese fleet sniffing around our french empire... Multiple Galleons and Frigates. I check the dip screen and notice that Tok is Annoyed with Vikki! Alert sirens start going off. We're a neighbor to Tok for the first time in the game (thanks to french lands) and that might up his anxiety enough for a *dumb* attack. The last thing I want to do is to go into a war with Tok where he starts sacrificing population for more units. Esp since I can't chance taking any cities for fear of making a certain Bald Indian our UN opponent. UGLY!!
In an ugly portent, we complete Mt. Rushmore in 1813. Oddly enough Tok continues to sale past our lands. Did my sudden arrival of transports and bombers change his mind?
Two years in a row, Ghandi comes to us with requests and offers:
I acceded/accepted both. I want his votes!!! Obviously, JC is not very taken with us. PFFT.
I hit enter figuring that Tok is molified, Ghandi is approaching a tipping point, and Mansa may fall into our lap (oh and Izzy continues to be beautiful). WAR HORNS!!!
Its simply amazing. I just sit back in stunned silence. We're now at +11 with Ghandi and +12 with Izzy. The Dip vote comes up and I quickly vote for VQ/Victoria and hit Enter. The next turn is spent getting units into place for any needed war action on KK, JC, Saladin, or a "fake" war with Tok. For the first three, we should do everything we can to weaken and knock down the cities making sure that Monty, Mansa, or Izzy do most of the capturing. If its a war with Tok, then we start sinking ships and protecting what we own. As I said way up above, the last thing we do is actually help land a single troop on Japanese lands - oh and settle for peace asap if at all possible. We want Izzy to ask for help so we can say yes. We don't want Tok hurt. Its a fine pickle.
Two carriers are built (and 3rd/4th will be done soon). Only 2 fighters on those carriers so far, but lots in the pipeline. Transports (loaded) and bombers are placed at key locations for any offensive.
Technology, I researched Plastics and have been working on Satelites so taht we can research Composites - which will give us jets and Modern Armor. After that I'd suggest Future tech for the + to happy and health. I am indeed running at 0%/0% so feel free to spend like crazy. I didn't MM cities other then trying to make sure every sea based resource had workboats (at 201g a pop). I'm doing my damndest to increase our voting strength.
Here's the domination clock at my turn end:
I'm looking forward to seeing how the current Dip vote turns out (upon hitting enter). There are moves available for all transports and bombers if the next player feels uppity. I would suggest holding off on any aggresion until we see the vote results AND get a chance to be asked in.
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
Looks like a fabulous turnset .... but you should have layed one more turn to look at the results ... (who knows, we might get ucky and won 
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This week is particularly bad for me .... I can only get to this on weekends (60 hrs), so Cosmic or scowler, if you feel like it, please go ahead and grab the save.
).This week is particularly bad for me .... I can only get to this on weekends (60 hrs), so Cosmic or scowler, if you feel like it, please go ahead and grab the save.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Yes indeed good turnset. However it appears this game gets more complex by the moment. Do you think we have won UN yet???
Me thinks not unless magically 107 votes appear. Stats:
Our votes: 736
Gandhi/Isabella: 214
TOTAL: 950
That leaves us short of 107 votes?? MM maybe since maybe the modifiers for him allow him to get friendly easier than others. But again only 77 votes so need another 30. Cyrus does have 102 votes maybe we can do something to get him on our side?? (doubtful)
I notice we still have 10% on domination so taking on JC maybe the answer and gifting cities to Isabella might be the way to go.
War Toku/Isabella
I agree we should engage in a fake war and just keep Izzy safe. Should she ask I would oblige to get her on our side for diplo vote. What may be necessary is a two front war to speed up our victory. So I DO think we should keep some forces near Isabella to make sure she don't get wiped out. Use the amphibious fleet to take on JC. I hope we have enough amphibious units now to do the true "Sirian Doctrine".
I don't like two front war (well ok I love it) and it divides our forces somewhat but we can build fast now.
Since Greyfox cannot play until the weekend I can take it as early as tonight only would like some input first:
I have to look at the save but so far from Bob's post I think the initial strategy needs to be effected:
1. Protect Isabella and gain more diplo favor by mutual struggle
2. Wait for diplo vote to see first where we are at
3. Declare on JC and Saladin (oh sorry 3 front war yuk we will need happy)
4. Wait for Isabella to ask us to join in conflict
5. Maybe try to get others involved in war
Me thinks not unless magically 107 votes appear. Stats:
Our votes: 736
Gandhi/Isabella: 214
TOTAL: 950
That leaves us short of 107 votes?? MM maybe since maybe the modifiers for him allow him to get friendly easier than others. But again only 77 votes so need another 30. Cyrus does have 102 votes maybe we can do something to get him on our side?? (doubtful)
I notice we still have 10% on domination so taking on JC maybe the answer and gifting cities to Isabella might be the way to go.
War Toku/Isabella
I agree we should engage in a fake war and just keep Izzy safe. Should she ask I would oblige to get her on our side for diplo vote. What may be necessary is a two front war to speed up our victory. So I DO think we should keep some forces near Isabella to make sure she don't get wiped out. Use the amphibious fleet to take on JC. I hope we have enough amphibious units now to do the true "Sirian Doctrine".
I don't like two front war (well ok I love it) and it divides our forces somewhat but we can build fast now.
Since Greyfox cannot play until the weekend I can take it as early as tonight only would like some input first:
I have to look at the save but so far from Bob's post I think the initial strategy needs to be effected:
1. Protect Isabella and gain more diplo favor by mutual struggle
2. Wait for diplo vote to see first where we are at
3. Declare on JC and Saladin (oh sorry 3 front war yuk we will need happy)
4. Wait for Isabella to ask us to join in conflict
5. Maybe try to get others involved in war
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Some more thoughts:
Tactical situation:
I notice that we have a destroyer and transport in what was Mongolia/France near Toku's stack heading for Isabella. I also see the one near Najran and the one on JC's borders.
JC has destroyers and we need to bolster our fleet near Russia. I see we are building 1 battleship but should have more being built imo. We should also have at least another destroyer to accompany those forces near St. Petersburg. In order to make sure we don't loose any ships before we engage in attacking JC we need at least:
2 battleships
2 destroyers
3 aircraft carriers (already near completion)
2 transports loaded with amphibious units. Only some are amphibious at St. Petersburg but first attack we can make a landing
As for his mainland we definitely need to attack amphibiously to avoid any extreme losses.
Fortunately Toku is very backwards and is running around with knights/longbows and Isabella has infantry so she should do fine against him who knows maybe even make some gains on his land which wouldn't be good.
Domestic issues
We haven't got one factory and the factories we are building are in cities that aren't really helpful to us right now.
We need factories/coal plants in the following cities absolutely:
1. Moscow
2. Novogrod
3. Yaroslav
4. Beijing
Don't need any more than that but we even with golden age it takes 3 turns to build a tank. TOO SLOW.....
By adding factories/coal plants to these cites we should be able to pump out tanks in 2 turns and maybe even infantry/marines at 1 turn. West point is also available and we have like 7020 gold. I checked and it costs 10800 to buy west point. Too bad as just imagine what kind of units we would get out of Yaroslav with that there. (3 points barracks/ 4 points instructors/ 4 points west point that's a total of 11 which we would give us pretty strong units) (I think and maybe someone can correct me but that would give us CR3 tanks or marines with combat II/pinch combo.)
Najran too we can make sure there's no culture and maybe it will fall to Monty. (not likely it is a founding religious city so at least 5 culture but one may wish)
Will try that to get Monty to attack it after we leave one defender but I am not convinced these guys will do what we expect.
(AI is still dummer than a bag of hammers with amphibious warfare)
My initial strategy is this:
1. Get some factories/coal plants built at least in Moscow/Yaroslav
(buy them and I think we have enough or more)
(never liked that Novogrod much)
2. After getting fac/coal start Yaroslav on a battleship and Moscow on a destroyer.
3. Once UN vote is complete and we have enough of an attack force for JC then will declare on JC.
Further strategies ideas:
Try to get Gandhi involved in war with JC
Try to get Mansa involved in what war we can as well as Hatty
Took a bomber in St. Peterburg and scouted JC's lands. He isn't that strong but need to see what is further south in Antium. He does have lots of SAMs so that is going to fun with bombers/fighters. But with 9 fighters and bombers we should be able to do some serious damage.
Of course a sh*tload of tanks landed on his mainland would be able to blitzkrieg his entire mainland. Maybe like 5 combat tanks/5 CR3 tanks (if we had west point) and some infantry for defensive protection. Only city well stocked is Rome and not really as heavy as one would think. He has destroyers/transports there so that's where he will try to make a landing on us. Keep a few strong tanks on Russia to protect just in case of a landing.
SO that's it and hopefully with a lot of mutual struggle and taking JC's lands we will have the vote. If Isabella comes to vote diplo again I will try to gift cities to her to avoid domination limit. Again I think getting Monty to take a city is a crapshoot and I have yet to see an AI actually take a city when asked.
Tactical situation:
I notice that we have a destroyer and transport in what was Mongolia/France near Toku's stack heading for Isabella. I also see the one near Najran and the one on JC's borders.
JC has destroyers and we need to bolster our fleet near Russia. I see we are building 1 battleship but should have more being built imo. We should also have at least another destroyer to accompany those forces near St. Petersburg. In order to make sure we don't loose any ships before we engage in attacking JC we need at least:
2 battleships
2 destroyers
3 aircraft carriers (already near completion)
2 transports loaded with amphibious units. Only some are amphibious at St. Petersburg but first attack we can make a landing
As for his mainland we definitely need to attack amphibiously to avoid any extreme losses.
Fortunately Toku is very backwards and is running around with knights/longbows and Isabella has infantry so she should do fine against him who knows maybe even make some gains on his land which wouldn't be good.
Domestic issues
We haven't got one factory and the factories we are building are in cities that aren't really helpful to us right now.
We need factories/coal plants in the following cities absolutely:
1. Moscow
2. Novogrod
3. Yaroslav
4. Beijing
Don't need any more than that but we even with golden age it takes 3 turns to build a tank. TOO SLOW.....
By adding factories/coal plants to these cites we should be able to pump out tanks in 2 turns and maybe even infantry/marines at 1 turn. West point is also available and we have like 7020 gold. I checked and it costs 10800 to buy west point. Too bad as just imagine what kind of units we would get out of Yaroslav with that there. (3 points barracks/ 4 points instructors/ 4 points west point that's a total of 11 which we would give us pretty strong units) (I think and maybe someone can correct me but that would give us CR3 tanks or marines with combat II/pinch combo.)
Najran too we can make sure there's no culture and maybe it will fall to Monty. (not likely it is a founding religious city so at least 5 culture but one may wish)
Will try that to get Monty to attack it after we leave one defender but I am not convinced these guys will do what we expect.
(AI is still dummer than a bag of hammers with amphibious warfare)
My initial strategy is this:
1. Get some factories/coal plants built at least in Moscow/Yaroslav
(buy them and I think we have enough or more)
(never liked that Novogrod much)
2. After getting fac/coal start Yaroslav on a battleship and Moscow on a destroyer.
3. Once UN vote is complete and we have enough of an attack force for JC then will declare on JC.
Further strategies ideas:
Try to get Gandhi involved in war with JC
Try to get Mansa involved in what war we can as well as Hatty
Took a bomber in St. Peterburg and scouted JC's lands. He isn't that strong but need to see what is further south in Antium. He does have lots of SAMs so that is going to fun with bombers/fighters. But with 9 fighters and bombers we should be able to do some serious damage.
Of course a sh*tload of tanks landed on his mainland would be able to blitzkrieg his entire mainland. Maybe like 5 combat tanks/5 CR3 tanks (if we had west point) and some infantry for defensive protection. Only city well stocked is Rome and not really as heavy as one would think. He has destroyers/transports there so that's where he will try to make a landing on us. Keep a few strong tanks on Russia to protect just in case of a landing.
SO that's it and hopefully with a lot of mutual struggle and taking JC's lands we will have the vote. If Isabella comes to vote diplo again I will try to gift cities to her to avoid domination limit. Again I think getting Monty to take a city is a crapshoot and I have yet to see an AI actually take a city when asked.
bobrath
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During my turns, I kept checking to see if either Ghandi or Izzy would even be willing to take one of our cities and they would not. I would not depend on gifting cities to them. DPs were also off the table - "we're too powerful".
I have had AIs capture cities at my request. Najaran is ripe for this exact strat. My intent with that holy city was to take the transport just SE of it on the first turn of the war and reduce the city to one lone defender and then order Monty to take it. Its a land attack for Monty since he has a city right next to it and at least one gunship (iirc) so even if he doesn't do it in the first couple turns, it will happen. Continuing this, we need to seriously target and plan around any city that we can get Monty to capture before Vicki gets close. Growing our vassal is a great little out for the domination.
We do have a bit of wiggle room on captures - there's still a tiny bit of French lands that will come under our control on the next border pop. Lets try to make sure that cities we capture are ones with minimal lands around them. I.E. single tile islands are the ultimate target.
JC is Ghandi's most hated enemy, so he should be very amenable to jumping in on him - once we blunt some of JC's power. The problem will be if Ghandi shows any military competence and starts capturing cities. He'll very quickly catch up to and possibly pass Tok's population. I'd only bring Ghandi into the war if we incur any mroe negatives. We'll continue to gain 2/3 more positives for the US civic. Lets keep Ghandi from growing if at all possible.
Its a very fine balancing act on this one. I do not see any way (as you pointed out Cosmic) for us to win this voting period. It will be important to see if we've swung either Izzy or Ghandi to our side. That will make war decisions easier.
It might be in our dip interest to jump in once Izzy asks us to, but then trying to buy peace between Tok & Izzy - IF we get Izzy's votes and don't need the mutual struggle bonus.
I have had AIs capture cities at my request. Najaran is ripe for this exact strat. My intent with that holy city was to take the transport just SE of it on the first turn of the war and reduce the city to one lone defender and then order Monty to take it. Its a land attack for Monty since he has a city right next to it and at least one gunship (iirc) so even if he doesn't do it in the first couple turns, it will happen. Continuing this, we need to seriously target and plan around any city that we can get Monty to capture before Vicki gets close. Growing our vassal is a great little out for the domination.
We do have a bit of wiggle room on captures - there's still a tiny bit of French lands that will come under our control on the next border pop. Lets try to make sure that cities we capture are ones with minimal lands around them. I.E. single tile islands are the ultimate target.
JC is Ghandi's most hated enemy, so he should be very amenable to jumping in on him - once we blunt some of JC's power. The problem will be if Ghandi shows any military competence and starts capturing cities. He'll very quickly catch up to and possibly pass Tok's population. I'd only bring Ghandi into the war if we incur any mroe negatives. We'll continue to gain 2/3 more positives for the US civic. Lets keep Ghandi from growing if at all possible.
Its a very fine balancing act on this one. I do not see any way (as you pointed out Cosmic) for us to win this voting period. It will be important to see if we've swung either Izzy or Ghandi to our side. That will make war decisions easier.
It might be in our dip interest to jump in once Izzy asks us to, but then trying to buy peace between Tok & Izzy - IF we get Izzy's votes and don't need the mutual struggle bonus.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
We are in UniSuff, just buy all the factories and coal plants and whatnots to your heart's content.
AI do comply with the request to attack a city ... whether they capture it or not is another story, but they will at least attempt to attack it with minimum of one unit. We just have to help him along by reducing the defenders to a limping 1.0/20 infantry and I'm sure Monty will capture the city even if he had only send one treb.
Toku still has a 50 votes buffer over Gandhi so I won't be over cautious with bringing Gandhi into the war. But I doubt Gandhi would oblige ... he is afterall the only Nobel Laurette for Peace in this game.
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AI do comply with the request to attack a city ... whether they capture it or not is another story, but they will at least attempt to attack it with minimum of one unit. We just have to help him along by reducing the defenders to a limping 1.0/20 infantry and I'm sure Monty will capture the city even if he had only send one treb.
Toku still has a 50 votes buffer over Gandhi so I won't be over cautious with bringing Gandhi into the war. But I doubt Gandhi would oblige ... he is afterall the only Nobel Laurette for Peace in this game.
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Inherited turn 1815
We are set up nicely military wise and should be able to do some damage once we get back to war. The fleet in St. Petersburg will need at least a couple of battleships before engaging the enemy. It does appear from scouting with aircraft JC isnt that strong.
1816
Hit enter and nothing explodes. I am referring to my computer since it is chugging along like an old locomotive trying to work this game. Of course the game has gotten so big that my old PC just cant handle it that well but can get thru the game. Usually when I have that problem I will simply exit out and restart the game and voila it runs a lot better but I just started this game and noticed towards the end it really slowing down.
Our vote comes in and after all the A**KISSING neither Gandhi nor Isabella votes for us. Heres the results:
We are still 305 votes shy of a diplomatic victory.
1817
I decide not to go to war just yet and see what is going to happen between Isabella and Toku. We receive this request from KK and just wondering why didnt we just finish this guy off. Nows hes trying to cause trouble by declaring on MM and now trying to get us involved.
During this time of peace we start factories in the prime cities of Moscow/Yaroslav and use US to whip them with money. A factory costs 1515 gold to buy so isnt too bad considering.
Heres also a scouting of Tokus capitol and wow look at the size of that puppy. 27 must be the largest city in the game. But you will see hes as weak as a kitten and could never stand up to infantry which Izzy has. So I think we should more worry about her taking cities then him.
1818
Uneventful but basically building factories and battleships needed for JC attack. It does appear we will need to declare soon.
1819
We receive this request from Saladin and of course decline.
Also perform another UN vote for what good it will do. At +12 Izzy is still not voting for us???? Gandhi too I thought for sure at +11 knowing his traits would also vote for us but nah.
Check with every Hatty/Gandhi/Mansa/Isabella re war situation. Mansa of course is at war with KK and Isabella with Toku.
1820
No request from Isabella and beginning to think we need to get some action happening soon.
Up to this point just have been building factories/coal plants (which got tanks down to 2 turns in Moscow and 3 turns in Yaroslav ). I was tempted to throw Iron works in Moscow but we dont have enough money.
1821
all hell breaks loose
We receive this request from Mansa Musa which is a smoke on my part for accepting.
I wish I had turned him down as it ends up costing us a lot of WW in KKs old lands.
I ring up JC try to declare on him but he won't talk (yep a three front war oh boy). Being late I realize I just move our ships into his land and declare that way but another smoke on my part I declare on Saladin. (DOH) (realized afterwards this cost us a bit)
Why was declaring on Saladin a smoke. Isabella is friendly with him so she gets a you declared on our friend negative and drops back to 11. Sorry about that guys but I just dont think well ever get her to vote for us diplomatically. Likewise Mansa Musa is on good terms with both JC and Saladin so we get a negative there too for declaring on friend. He did get a positive for mutual struggle so stays where he was at.
Now our citizens decide to also starting acting up but I refuse to use the slider and decide to instead just buy theaters/temples to deal with it. Karakorum ended up with 12 unhappy. So rather then suffer at WW I start heading a ship to one of KKs cities to take it out. Theres only one other city and we should just take it and get rid of KK once and for all.
Saladin front
Our ships at Najran bring it down to one defender (wounded rifle) and make this request of Monty.
I say to Monty this:
Please attack Najran. He looks at me and say well do our best. Now thats reassuring and my mind is totally at ease now. (yeah right)
Move ships with many troops towards Medina to take out defenders and make another request of Monty.
Roman front
We move in on Arretium with our new aircraft carriers and battleships. Arretium is lightly defended and after bombarding it with fighters/bombers and the like we take it fairly easily. Scouting also shows again that JC simply doesnt have an army to speak of ergo him never going to war (we have enough on our hands). I think the AI plans for war but wont go until they have a sufficient amount of troops. In this case he doesnt have the production nor does most of the AI.
I also check with Toku and he will make peace with Isabella for Communism/Electricity. I accept but dont like giving him communism/electricity but now being on a three front war just didnt want to end up having to get involved upon a request by Izzy only to see that she wont vote for us in diplo. We couldnt afford a 4 front war anyways and I felt much better removing that possibility. What concerned me was that Toku is very weak overall (military) and Isabella could have taken one of his cites. He is a like 50 votes ahead of Gandhi so even if he lost a city it wouldnt matter but its always that one city that starts the momentum.
As already mentioned we need to keep Victoria away from Saladin lands and keep it clear for Monty. So I request Victoria to attack Pisae. (wow does she come on strong I even saw a destroyer)
1822
Our carrier fleet attacking Rome wears down Pisae but doesnt take it just to weaken him a bit first. Our next target will be Rome now as the more I look the more likely it seems that JC has no umph. I also have Yaroslav buiding infantry so that they can be airlifted into the city once its taken.
continued part 2
We are set up nicely military wise and should be able to do some damage once we get back to war. The fleet in St. Petersburg will need at least a couple of battleships before engaging the enemy. It does appear from scouting with aircraft JC isnt that strong.
1816
Hit enter and nothing explodes. I am referring to my computer since it is chugging along like an old locomotive trying to work this game. Of course the game has gotten so big that my old PC just cant handle it that well but can get thru the game. Usually when I have that problem I will simply exit out and restart the game and voila it runs a lot better but I just started this game and noticed towards the end it really slowing down.
Our vote comes in and after all the A**KISSING neither Gandhi nor Isabella votes for us. Heres the results:
We are still 305 votes shy of a diplomatic victory.
1817
I decide not to go to war just yet and see what is going to happen between Isabella and Toku. We receive this request from KK and just wondering why didnt we just finish this guy off. Nows hes trying to cause trouble by declaring on MM and now trying to get us involved.
During this time of peace we start factories in the prime cities of Moscow/Yaroslav and use US to whip them with money. A factory costs 1515 gold to buy so isnt too bad considering.
Heres also a scouting of Tokus capitol and wow look at the size of that puppy. 27 must be the largest city in the game. But you will see hes as weak as a kitten and could never stand up to infantry which Izzy has. So I think we should more worry about her taking cities then him.
1818
Uneventful but basically building factories and battleships needed for JC attack. It does appear we will need to declare soon.
1819
We receive this request from Saladin and of course decline.
Also perform another UN vote for what good it will do. At +12 Izzy is still not voting for us???? Gandhi too I thought for sure at +11 knowing his traits would also vote for us but nah.
Check with every Hatty/Gandhi/Mansa/Isabella re war situation. Mansa of course is at war with KK and Isabella with Toku.
1820
No request from Isabella and beginning to think we need to get some action happening soon.
Up to this point just have been building factories/coal plants (which got tanks down to 2 turns in Moscow and 3 turns in Yaroslav ). I was tempted to throw Iron works in Moscow but we dont have enough money.
1821
all hell breaks loose
We receive this request from Mansa Musa which is a smoke on my part for accepting.
I wish I had turned him down as it ends up costing us a lot of WW in KKs old lands.
I ring up JC try to declare on him but he won't talk (yep a three front war oh boy). Being late I realize I just move our ships into his land and declare that way but another smoke on my part I declare on Saladin. (DOH) (realized afterwards this cost us a bit)
Why was declaring on Saladin a smoke. Isabella is friendly with him so she gets a you declared on our friend negative and drops back to 11. Sorry about that guys but I just dont think well ever get her to vote for us diplomatically. Likewise Mansa Musa is on good terms with both JC and Saladin so we get a negative there too for declaring on friend. He did get a positive for mutual struggle so stays where he was at.
Now our citizens decide to also starting acting up but I refuse to use the slider and decide to instead just buy theaters/temples to deal with it. Karakorum ended up with 12 unhappy. So rather then suffer at WW I start heading a ship to one of KKs cities to take it out. Theres only one other city and we should just take it and get rid of KK once and for all.
Saladin front
Our ships at Najran bring it down to one defender (wounded rifle) and make this request of Monty.
I say to Monty this:
Please attack Najran. He looks at me and say well do our best. Now thats reassuring and my mind is totally at ease now. (yeah right)
Move ships with many troops towards Medina to take out defenders and make another request of Monty.
Roman front
We move in on Arretium with our new aircraft carriers and battleships. Arretium is lightly defended and after bombarding it with fighters/bombers and the like we take it fairly easily. Scouting also shows again that JC simply doesnt have an army to speak of ergo him never going to war (we have enough on our hands). I think the AI plans for war but wont go until they have a sufficient amount of troops. In this case he doesnt have the production nor does most of the AI.
I also check with Toku and he will make peace with Isabella for Communism/Electricity. I accept but dont like giving him communism/electricity but now being on a three front war just didnt want to end up having to get involved upon a request by Izzy only to see that she wont vote for us in diplo. We couldnt afford a 4 front war anyways and I felt much better removing that possibility. What concerned me was that Toku is very weak overall (military) and Isabella could have taken one of his cites. He is a like 50 votes ahead of Gandhi so even if he lost a city it wouldnt matter but its always that one city that starts the momentum.
As already mentioned we need to keep Victoria away from Saladin lands and keep it clear for Monty. So I request Victoria to attack Pisae. (wow does she come on strong I even saw a destroyer)
1822
Our carrier fleet attacking Rome wears down Pisae but doesnt take it just to weaken him a bit first. Our next target will be Rome now as the more I look the more likely it seems that JC has no umph. I also have Yaroslav buiding infantry so that they can be airlifted into the city once its taken.
continued part 2
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Part 2
1823
Gee willikers Radio active man Monty actually took Najran wooohoooo
Hopefully he will do the same for Medina but will need a transport and some troops. He is a bit thin in those cities near Najran.
(It did cross my mind to gift him a transport and troops but nah we need them for the battle)
We do take Medina down to 1 defender although not wounded. I totally overlooked the gunships on board and proceeded on Mecca and decided with that pop it had to be taken.
(PS did go back later with one transport to Medina and emptied it out for Monty. What's next we have to handfeed this guy too)
We ring up Monty again and he says hell do his best. I say just get 1 transport and infantry over to Medina and take it. Hello are you there???
Mecca falls:
Rome falls:
We loose a few artillery but Rome falls and although I am squeamish about counterattacks I feel that hell likely just leave his troops where they are since if he did counterattack he would leave cities vulnerable. I thought I took a picture of the capture of Rome but it didnt take. Heres what he has in Antium though and he must have planned a huge invasion with all those transports. (what happened??)
We also initiate another diplomatic vote to see what our vote count is. Isnt there a better way to ascertain this somewhere? I wanted just to see what our vote count is and I couldnt find anywhere where that information is available. I think too not having more info on the trait factor/diplomatic factor of civs makes it hard to make an informed decision. I did check that site re diplomacy and too much programming stuff in there and would just like to know for instance at what level will Izzy actually vote for you.
1824
The results of the vote do look encouraging:
We are up to 919 votes on our own. Now if Monty would just take Medina. Mmmm He hasnt done nothing yet and its completely empty.
1825
See Medina is empty so you can take it now Monty. Hello didn't see you, not even a destroyer?????
Oh well maybe if we gift him a transport and infantry. Then get to Medina and show him how to take an empty city. AI still sucks at naval incursions.
Back to the real war where we are actually taking cities hee hee .
Oh for the paranoid amongst us (including me) heres our domination stats and we still may be able to take some more land. I was wondering if a city counts in your vote even in revolt?? Since our votes jumped from 835 to 919 I can deduce that is the case. If we hurry and take the rest of JC/Saladin I believe we can pull off a vote before cities come out of revolt and win this puppy.
Ok for some reason I did not take pictures on the capture of Damascus and Pisae but they are ours after the vote so only adds to the number.
A spot of good news although I smoked on Isabella. MM wouldnt have made a difference and again I wonder at what point MM has enough positive to vote for us.
Baldy is now friendly with us .. woooohoooo
The civic added another point and is at +4 so I pretty much would count him in for the next vote.
So heres the total and what we have to conquer to win:
919 votes (ours)
149 votes (Gandhi)
1068 votes total
1153 needed so we are short 85 votes.
During the next turn I suggest we fatten Gandhi up real good to get his pop up since hes 50 votes away from Toku and I dont think in danger of becoming the UN contender.
Our troops on the Roman front do need reinforcing somewhat and are a bit wounded but the rest of JCs lands are quite good and may be enough to take the vote. We have a huge contingency for Saladin but really didnt have much for JC??? Maybe change Yaroslav to tanks for a bit and airlift them to Rome. I do have to say that Bob you left a nice set up for the attack.
One last thing: During the entire game did check with Gandhi to see if he would go to war with JC. (NOT) and likewise with Hatty/Isabella. Although I kind of given up on her not voting even at +12. Now it's possible Gandhi may go to war now in case we want to ensure his votes until we win.
Autologs/save to follow.......
1823
Gee willikers Radio active man Monty actually took Najran wooohoooo
Hopefully he will do the same for Medina but will need a transport and some troops. He is a bit thin in those cities near Najran.
(It did cross my mind to gift him a transport and troops but nah we need them for the battle)
We do take Medina down to 1 defender although not wounded. I totally overlooked the gunships on board and proceeded on Mecca and decided with that pop it had to be taken.
(PS did go back later with one transport to Medina and emptied it out for Monty. What's next we have to handfeed this guy too)
We ring up Monty again and he says hell do his best. I say just get 1 transport and infantry over to Medina and take it. Hello are you there???
Mecca falls:
Rome falls:
We loose a few artillery but Rome falls and although I am squeamish about counterattacks I feel that hell likely just leave his troops where they are since if he did counterattack he would leave cities vulnerable. I thought I took a picture of the capture of Rome but it didnt take. Heres what he has in Antium though and he must have planned a huge invasion with all those transports. (what happened??)
We also initiate another diplomatic vote to see what our vote count is. Isnt there a better way to ascertain this somewhere? I wanted just to see what our vote count is and I couldnt find anywhere where that information is available. I think too not having more info on the trait factor/diplomatic factor of civs makes it hard to make an informed decision. I did check that site re diplomacy and too much programming stuff in there and would just like to know for instance at what level will Izzy actually vote for you.
1824
The results of the vote do look encouraging:
We are up to 919 votes on our own. Now if Monty would just take Medina. Mmmm He hasnt done nothing yet and its completely empty.
1825
See Medina is empty so you can take it now Monty. Hello didn't see you, not even a destroyer?????
Oh well maybe if we gift him a transport and infantry. Then get to Medina and show him how to take an empty city. AI still sucks at naval incursions.
Back to the real war where we are actually taking cities hee hee .
Oh for the paranoid amongst us (including me) heres our domination stats and we still may be able to take some more land. I was wondering if a city counts in your vote even in revolt?? Since our votes jumped from 835 to 919 I can deduce that is the case. If we hurry and take the rest of JC/Saladin I believe we can pull off a vote before cities come out of revolt and win this puppy.
Ok for some reason I did not take pictures on the capture of Damascus and Pisae but they are ours after the vote so only adds to the number.
A spot of good news although I smoked on Isabella. MM wouldnt have made a difference and again I wonder at what point MM has enough positive to vote for us.
Baldy is now friendly with us .. woooohoooo
The civic added another point and is at +4 so I pretty much would count him in for the next vote.
So heres the total and what we have to conquer to win:
919 votes (ours)
149 votes (Gandhi)
1068 votes total
1153 needed so we are short 85 votes.
During the next turn I suggest we fatten Gandhi up real good to get his pop up since hes 50 votes away from Toku and I dont think in danger of becoming the UN contender.
Our troops on the Roman front do need reinforcing somewhat and are a bit wounded but the rest of JCs lands are quite good and may be enough to take the vote. We have a huge contingency for Saladin but really didnt have much for JC??? Maybe change Yaroslav to tanks for a bit and airlift them to Rome. I do have to say that Bob you left a nice set up for the attack.
One last thing: During the entire game did check with Gandhi to see if he would go to war with JC. (NOT) and likewise with Hatty/Isabella. Although I kind of given up on her not voting even at +12. Now it's possible Gandhi may go to war now in case we want to ensure his votes until we win.
Autologs/save to follow.......
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
HOF Autolog:
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
CFC Autolog part 1
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
CFC autolog part 2
Ze huge save
If all works well during the next turnsets I don't imagine I will be up again. It's been fun and learned a bit about diplomacy. It's all yours Greyfox I think if we take enough cities we are finished. Again I think cities in revolt count too and don't affect domination too much so maybe blitzkrieg enough cities and see what happens. We can't count on Isabella nor Hatty anymore there just isn't anything we can do to change it.
EDIT: Also I did slide the culture slider to 30% for 1 turn. Only to deal with the WW. The faster we get rid of Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan the better.........
Spoiler :
Ze huge save
If all works well during the next turnsets I don't imagine I will be up again. It's been fun and learned a bit about diplomacy. It's all yours Greyfox I think if we take enough cities we are finished. Again I think cities in revolt count too and don't affect domination too much so maybe blitzkrieg enough cities and see what happens. We can't count on Isabella nor Hatty anymore there just isn't anything we can do to change it.
EDIT: Also I did slide the culture slider to 30% for 1 turn. Only to deal with the WW. The faster we get rid of Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan the better.........
bobrath
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Interesting turns there. Glad to see I left you reasonably prepared for all the war mongering.
I'd go ahead and gift Monty a Transport with a Marine in it. Preferably as close to medina as possible.
If it really does work out that newly capped cities do count as votes, then we need to optimize our attack plan such that we get 2 sets of dip votes while the cities come out of revolt. So camp a helicopter and some other unit (infantry) out side any JC city after we've decimated the defenders and have it pick off any newly built units. Move our stack(s) onto the rest of the cities and then when we're ready - have the infantry capture all x cities in the same turn. Make sure this happens in the same turn as a vote comes up. So we'll have all those cities in revolt counting as votes while not incurring the domination limit (single point of land control). Dunno what the average revolt/anarchy time is, but we'll easily have a second vote available if the first misses. Perhaps even a third til the borders pop (and incur the mandatory sec gen vote). We would need to have our SoDs preppared to make lightning strikes on big (population) AI cities if we're just outside the voting limit (don't care who since we'll be voting ourselves in - Tok's 27 anyone?)
I'd go ahead and gift Monty a Transport with a Marine in it. Preferably as close to medina as possible.
If it really does work out that newly capped cities do count as votes, then we need to optimize our attack plan such that we get 2 sets of dip votes while the cities come out of revolt. So camp a helicopter and some other unit (infantry) out side any JC city after we've decimated the defenders and have it pick off any newly built units. Move our stack(s) onto the rest of the cities and then when we're ready - have the infantry capture all x cities in the same turn. Make sure this happens in the same turn as a vote comes up. So we'll have all those cities in revolt counting as votes while not incurring the domination limit (single point of land control). Dunno what the average revolt/anarchy time is, but we'll easily have a second vote available if the first misses. Perhaps even a third til the borders pop (and incur the mandatory sec gen vote). We would need to have our SoDs preppared to make lightning strikes on big (population) AI cities if we're just outside the voting limit (don't care who since we'll be voting ourselves in - Tok's 27 anyone?)
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