SGOTM 04 - Geezers

Sam_Yeager · Jun 10, 2007

Turnset 1870 AD - 1880 AD

Apologies for the delay in posting. Had the odd hiccup where I had to reboot as well as having to go into work.

Turnset went as expected. Ghandhi made landings by Vienne & Durnovaria as well as sending various forces towards New Saria. All repulsed at the cost of some pillaging and some units. Izzy only sent one or two single attackers. I upgraded a few units so the gold is slightly less healthy. I drafted an inf from Durnovaria but apart from that I've let the cities grow. I've started railroading to help our forces move about the country faster. Main highlights were:

Combustion learnt and Flight should be learnt during the next turnset.
Jenarie's university in Bibracte finished. I thought of going for Oxford but decided against. We still need military.
I decided to bite the bullet and started the FP in Ning-hsia.
Hanny's completed the docking bay.

I really think we should use that GG in our southern lands. I suggest Napa Valley. New Sarai 's quarry is too prone to pillaging. One oddity is that Ghandhi's last landing by Vienne was on the hill W of Vienne rather than that nice bit of ice. Perhaps the AI eventually learns what are bad moves?

Save

Spoiler Log :

markh · Jun 11, 2007

Well, Izzy seems to remember what you have done to her units during your last set, so she does not send large stacks again.

I think what we see there are her countering units once we provoke her enough.

Roster :

Sam - just played
Htadus - UP
Mark - on deck
Jenarie
Harbourboy
Thrallia

Sam_Yeager · Jun 11, 2007

It's that time of the year when my thoughts turn to freedom from work. Or in other words I shall shortly be off for a couple of enjoyable weeks sailing round the coast of SW Turkey. I leave on the morning of 18 June and return in the evening of 2 July. All this subject to vagaries of the airlines and airport security alerts of course. Contact is likely to be fairly patchy as most of the spots we visit are small villages. Most likely chance will be midway through the holiday when I'm in Marmaris.

Harbourboy · Jun 11, 2007

Take out Mehmed while you are there please.

Htadus · Jun 12, 2007

Have a great vacation Sam. ANd now if I could just convice the others to go after Izzy :mwaha:

Just kidding. I just downloaded the save so....Got it.

I won't be able to play tonight, but will in 23 hrs. Please feel free to leave advise. I am going to play this one by the ear.

markh · Jun 12, 2007

Have a good break, Sam. I was in Marmaris for a day during a cruise 3 years ago. Quite nice.

@ Htadus. You have my vote. As soon as you have the units to take Seville teach her a lesson. :trouble:

Harbourboy · Jun 12, 2007

I wonder if any teams have finished yet. Not wanting to get ahead of ourselves, but what are our plans for SGOTM 05?

I'm in favour of smashing Isabella. She should never have scorned us like she did. We could have had a beautiful relationship, but she ruined it. :mad:

Jenarie · Jun 12, 2007

I don't have vanilla so I'm out for any vanilla games. Well, I have it but when I moved I lost the disc and it is probably packed in storage somewhere. So anyway, you'll want a replacement for me.

And yeah, Izzy... We tried to be her friend and she was mean... she needs to be taught manners!

markh · Jun 12, 2007

Jenarie said:
So anyway, you'll want a replacement for me.

Why should we ? :confused:

You played well here.

Izzy is ALWAYS a pain. If she appears in one of my SP games I almost kill her every time asap as otherwis she attacks each and every time.

Is SGOTM05 already announced ? Whether I will play depends a little bit on the scenario and difficulty level.

Thrallia · Jun 13, 2007

Sam_Yeager said:
This sounds a nice idea. Another alternative would be to research Rocketry for gunships to counter armour. Both of these seem to require the same amount of beakers but the estimate for Flight is 13 turns as opposed to 11 turns for Rocketry.

I'm tempted by Rocketry but possibility of using airports to move our troops from our southern lands sounds pretty good as well.

That would be a result of so many civs knowing Rocketry as opposed to Flight...I haven't looked at the save, but I would presume that at least one AI has not researched Flight yet, but has researched Rocketry. Hopefully that means we can pawn it off on someone!

Sam_Yeager said:
It's that time of the year when my thoughts turn to freedom from work. Or in other words I shall shortly be off for a couple of enjoyable weeks sailing round the coast of SW Turkey. I leave on the morning of 18 June and return in the evening of 2 July. All this subject to vagaries of the airlines and airport security alerts of course. Contact is likely to be fairly patchy as most of the spots we visit are small villages. Most likely chance will be midway through the holiday when I'm in Marmaris.

Enjoy! I just got back from my own cruise, it was only a week long, and was to 3 Caribbean Islands, rather than a Mediterranean/Turkish cruise, but cruises are definitely great fun and great relaxation!

You might want to submit your name to Alan before you leave though, as I suspect SGOTM5 will begin on July 1st.

@mark: nothing has been announced about SGOTM5 yet, other than that it will be a vanilla game...that's why Jenarie thinks we'll need a replacement for her, because she lost her vanilla disc, thus can't play vanilla.

Htadus · Jun 13, 2007

Just played the turn set and it was not good on the new world side. Because of the stack of artilary units Izzy had I split the team into two and ended up getting badly beaten. We lost both teams in the most spectacular attack I have everseen. Izzy have my respect. We probably needed about 2 teams of about 15 units each to just to survive the onslaught. That was just awsome... :eek:

.....in a very bad way. Both AI's displayed excellent defensive and offensive tactics. The game would have been over now had Gandhi teched in the military side. Very impressed.

Anyway we have our first destroyer, military acadamy in New Sarai and we are now learning Roacketry. Everyone, even izzy is heading to stars but not Gandhi.
Here is the turn Log

Spoiler :

Here is the Autolog

Spoiler :

The Save

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/Geezers_SG004_AD1890_01.CivWarlordsSave

Thrallia · Jun 13, 2007

looks like Gandhi didn't do too well against us, but it looks like Izzy whooped up on our Infantry

I'm off to bed right now, gotta work in 9 hours...I'll try to take a look at the save tomorrow after work...maybe then I'll actually have something to contribute for once lol

Sam_Yeager · Jun 13, 2007

Hmmm... The forces in the new lands aren't in quite as bad a state as I feared. That said, I think we should defer any further incursions into Izzy's lands for a while and rebuild our military. Can arty attack gunships?

I notice we managed to kill one of Ghandhi's frigates which is good. Shame we couldn't kill his galleons

, however maybe we can use our transports as additional naval attackers? :hmm:

How on earth did Ghandhi get a unit far enough into our southern lands to pillage that well? :mad:

I presume we go for Industrialism after Rocketry?

markh · Jun 14, 2007

I got it, but I will not be able to play before tomorrow or Satruday.

Sam_Yeager · Jun 14, 2007

@Thrallia - Maybe you missed it but there's now a spoiler thread. I believe you were ~~foolish enough to volunteer~~ keen to write the spoiler for Geezers.

Thrallia · Jun 15, 2007

lol...yes, I remember that. I'm gonna try to get it finished to 1000AD by next weekend and then post it in here for you guys to destroy

markh · Jun 16, 2007

IBT : nothing

1) 1891AD : infantry loses to an Indian cav at 78% :cry:

cav kills that cav

IBT : nothing

2) 1892AD : zzz

IBT : nothing

3) 1893AD : zzz

IBT : nothing

4) 1894AD : inf kills a Spanish cav at Bagacum
destroyer sinks an Indian frigate at Bibactre

IBT : rocketry -> industrialism

5) 1895AD : inf kills Indian cav at New Sarai
destroyer sinks Indian frigate at Bibactre

IBT : Indian cav suicides on infantry at New Sarai

6) 1896AD : destroyer sinks Indian frigate at Bibactre
inf kills Indian cav at New Sarai

IBT : nothing

7) 1897AD : inf loses to Indian cav at 95% at New Sarai :mad:

cav kills that cav
cav kills Indian cannon at New Sarai

inf kills Spanish cav at Bagacum

IBT : how nice Mehmed has no oil, he offers fish for oil. No thanks. We won't give you tanks my friend. :nono:

8) 1898AD : inf kills Spanish cav at Birka

IBT : nothing

9) 1899AD : inf kills Spanish cav at Birka
inf loses to Indian cav at 78% at New Sarai :gripe:

cav finishes the Indian cav

upgrade a cav to Gunship in New Sarai

IBT : nothing

10) 1900AD : artillery kills Indian cav at New Sarai
gunship kills Indian cav at New Sarai

I think if we continue to build gunships we will be able to go for Izzy soon.

Roster :

Sam
Htadus
Mark - just played
Jenarie - UP
Harbourboy - on deck
Thrallia

Harbourboy · Jun 16, 2007

1900 at last! Only 150 turns left in the game at a maximum.

Looking forward to that spoiler, Thrallia!

Sam_Yeager · Jun 17, 2007

Where should we head after Industrialisation? There seem to be three options to me:

Switch off science, or at least drastically reduce it, and build loads of military. Probably also switch to UniSuff so we can buy units.
Continue heading for military techs whilst building up gunships/attacking Izzy.
Beeline Fiber Optics and build the internet whilst building up gunships/attacking Izzy.

I suspect it will be one of the two options mentioned first. However the third option might be interesting as well.

On the military side there might be something to be said for taking back some of our former lands since it seems pretty clear that Ghandhi's forgotten about teching and space. :mad:

I should point out that Htadus suggested this quite some while ago and was outvoted. At the time I think most of us felt that there was still a chance that Ghandhi would get a move on and that we shouldn't make it harder for him. However Ghandhi's had the opportunity and passed it up so I think it may be worth revisiting this subject.

Htadus · Jun 17, 2007

Sam_Yeager said:
Where should we head after Industrialisation? There seem to be three options to me:

Switch off science, or at least drastically reduce it, and build loads of military. Probably also switch to UniSuff so we can buy units.

Continue heading for military techs whilst building up gunships/attacking Izzy.

Beeline Fiber Optics and build the internet whilst building up gunships/attacking Izzy.

I suspect it will be one of the two options mentioned first. However the third option might be interesting as well.

On the military side there might be something to be said for taking back some of our former lands since it seems pretty clear that Ghandhi's forgotten about teching and space.

I am for option 2. Who knows, we will be able to wipe Izzy out and might be able to stop others from launching if we want to by just taking thier capital.

As for taking some of Gandhi's cities. He wont have horses to build cavs if we take back the two horse Cities. That alone will do the trick for us and give back our old border since our culture is still predominent there, so we also get some rich lands that horseless Gandhi can not pillage easily.

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