SGOTM 04 - Murky Waters

[LowtherCastle]

Palace Jumping

Here's the lowdown, folks. PMed ori and he provided me with this:

The game seems to look for the new capital as follows:
it scores each city available (if the old capital is not available that is):

population*4
yield food
yield production *3
yield commerce *2
culture level
number of religions
number of great people (settled) *2

this is summed to iValue

then the percentage of own culture on the city plot is calculated and the following operation is done:

iValue*(CulturePercent+100)/100

the resulting score is kept and whichever city has the highest score wins the palace...​

So what this means is that the palace may not jump to Madrid after all, because our culture there will be about 0% when we take it, so the iValue figure will get multiplied by 1, whereas our own cities' iValue will be multiplied by 2. So I suppose our palace will jump to our biggest, most productive city.

Good job there is that useful links post on Page 1 of this thread then...... I'm sure this is exactly the sort of thing it was created for....

Even better that there's a search this thread option...waster.

 

[Erkon]

Great play BP! Did you MM correct?

Listen very carefully: don't you dare to peace just before you finish your turn! If so, I will swap turnset with Gnejs.

 

[Big Pig]

Great play BP! Did you MM correct? Well, LC hasn't complained too much yet

Listen very carefully: don't you dare to peace just before you finish your turn! If so, I will swap turnset with Gnejs.

I'm all done. Its your turn to crush the infidel hordes

 

[LowtherCastle]

Our next Palace will be:

Spoiler :

Ning-hsia!!! Should we switch to bureaucracy...?

Here are my unoffical calcs (I'm still not sure about certain details):

Spoiler :

NH 928 points
Besh 728
Bibracte 536
Verlamion 464
Madrid 402

If we tried to alter the course of history and

Spoiler :

work 17 specialists in NH, it still has 604 points, folks. Our destiny is written in the stars.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Great play BP! Did you MM correctly?

Nah, I've been saving all my pent-up MM for someone really special...

And don't think tomorrow's travel plans spare you the rod, I'll find a way...

 

[Big Pig]

Our next Palace will be:

Spoiler :

Ning-hsia!!! Should we switch to bureaucracy...?

Here are my unoffical calcs (I'm still not sure about certain details):

Spoiler :

NH 928 points
Besh 728
Bibracte 536
Verlamion 464
Madrid 402

If we tried to alter the course of history and

Spoiler :

work 17 specialists in NH, it still has 604 points, folks. Our destiny is written in the stars.

Good work. We could always just *build* a Palace in Bib....

 

[Erkon]

Got it

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[Erkon]

BP: I had a look at the save and I just want to check with you if the M. galleons are empty or not? Were they used for the invasion?

I also suggest that we peace with Brennus to reduce WW.

 

[Gnejs]

Guess what? We can build another National Epic!

Had we only known... Now it really sucks that we built West Point in Ning-Hsia for +1 GPP when we could have built the NE instead and gotten +17 GPP instead. Would have shaved off a whole bunch of turns for that GE...

 

[Erkon]

Guess what? We can build another National Epic!

Had we only known... Now it really sucks that we built West Point in Ning-Hsia for +1 GPP when we could have built the NE instead and gotten +17 GPP instead. Would have shaved off a whole bunch of turns for that GE...

I think we're piling up stupid points at an alarming rate . It makes me wonder how many crazy things I normally do in my single player games that I never notice

 

[LowtherCastle]

I think we're piling up stupid points at an alarming rate . It makes me wonder how many crazy things I normally do in my single player games that I never notice

Yeah, I was looking at your final save for one of those GOTMs, but didn't want to say anything... j/k

 

[LowtherCastle]

Guess what? We can build another National Epic!

Hey, better late than never. Greaet observation, Gnejs, let's go for it! Start now whle we still have marble (for 3 turns...).

 

[Big Pig]

BP: I had a look at the save and I just want to check with you if the M. galleons are empty or not? Were they used for the invasion?

I also suggest that we peace with Brennus to reduce WW.

The boats are empty. That is why I have left them alone

I had forgotten we had recently captured and razed some Brennus' cities. Peace with B will reduce our WW (but also reduce the chances of him ever being cautious with G...)

 

[Big Pig]

Hey, better late than never. Greaet observation, Gnejs, let's go for it! Start now whle we still have marble (for 3 turns...).

Will you tell him Gnejs, or shall I?

 

[Erkon]

The boats are empty. That is why I have left them alone

I had forgotten we had recently captured and razed some Brennus' cities. Peace with B will reduce our WW (but also reduce the chances of him ever being cautious with G...)

I then suggest that I make peace with B. We can then gift everything we have to B. and restart the war (when the war with M. is over).

I also suggest that we make peace with M. after the next city falls (will probably do so in next turn). We can then gift a suitable city to M. and restart the war in another ten turns.

 

[Big Pig]

I then suggest that I make peace with B. We can then gift everything we have to B. and restart the war (when the war with M. is over). Monitor his attitude to G and see what it is the turn before we get peace. We are unlikely to improve it much more from this value

I also suggest that we make peace with M. after the next city falls (will probably do so in next turn). We can then gift a suitable city to M. and restart the war in another ten turns.

I think another war with M would be a very bad idea - the WW is seriously crippling the economy and slowing tech progress. Just leave him 1 city (the one on the SE seems ideal). The benefits of relocating him from there are far outweighed by the need for another 10+ turns of war

 

[Gnejs]

I think another war with M would be a very bad idea - the WW is seriously crippling the economy and slowing tech progress. Just leave him 1 city (the one on the SE seems ideal). The benefits of relocating him from there are far outweighed by the need for another 10+ turns of war

As it looks now you may be right. Perhaps we can wage another war once we have Mount Rushmore and Jails in key cities.

On the other hand, it will take us some extra turns to capture the next city. The choice seems to be whether we want WW now or later...


Research-wise, assuming that we beeline for Robotics for the Space Elevator, these are the techs that are missing:

Computers
Combustion+Industrialism -> Plastics -> Robotics

Pretty expensive ones. The sooner we get them, the better. Maybe we should grab Computers first for the Labs to help speed up the others?
Combustion is also good for destroyers and transports (and subs for the spies) to rule the seas.


If we can build the SE in Ning-Hsia with Aluminium we could perhaps even finish it before the first GE pops...

 

[Gnejs]

I am almost certain that we will be able to build the SE in Ning-Hsia. From this post: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4650179&postcount=8 it seems that it can be built in the middle third of the map. And looking back through this thread for screenshots (had to go all the way back to my last turnset... wasters!) Ning-Hsia definitely seems to be within the middle third.

The plan should then be to complete the SE and then hand over NH at the earliest opportunity.

Btw, I doubt the 3GD will be very useful to Gandhi. Power comes much cheaper and earlier than this. The only reason to build it for him would be to avoid that he wastes hammers on it himself...

 

[Erkon]

LC - congrats to the SILVER!

 

[Gnejs]

LC - congrats to the SILVER!

Yeah, congrats to both of you!