Nice to see we're all around (but the justified Merum).
Civ, take your time for play.
Just next time find 3 mins for a post (also Sweeta)!
As i alredy said, for the civic change i agree on all, but i prefer Representation.
But since we're a team, if the majority prefer PS, go ahead, even if i don't see that boost in production.
Another thing: we need CS once we have to do the settler spam, not necessarily now. We can probably save 1 turn of anarchy (to have 1 more later) and continue to whip.
So... I locked myself out last night and had to stay with a friend. After 24 hours or so playing "survivor', I'm not in any mood to play. Is civ up, or skipped?
Okay, the Civ gods briefly tried to conspire to prevent me from playing, and misplaced my CD. I have since, however, found it, and am playing my turnset now. Right this second. I promise. Really.
Very quiet turnset in all, with four turns of Anarchy. After a bit of looking and calculation I decided to go with Police State. The military production is really what we have to focus on at the moment, and the war weariness bonus will help once the blood starts flowing. We didn't really need the happiness of Representation (only Timbuktu is unhappy, and it's missing a Market), and while the added research from Mercantilism is missed, our military production is quite spectacular.
We had a barb city pop on our continent, the very northwestern tip. I have a valiant force of four knights en route to dispatch of it.
On my last turn I had a minor Cyrus landing near Athens. I dispatched it easily, though we lost a War Elephant in a 50/50 fight. Other than that there was no conflict.
Pretty quiet overall. Sorry again for the delay.
Oh yes, and also, I had a crash at the start of my second turn, and had to reload from the autosave. It was early in the turnset and I didn't have any military moves to re-make.
Oh yes, and also, I had a crash at the start of my second turn, and had to reload from the autosave. It was early in the turnset and I didn't have any military moves to re-make.
Right. So... make an army and attack Ragnar. Seems pretty simple. The attached s/s is a proposed attack plan for 7 galleons, but will depend on the intelligence gathered. Upsala won't require much of a garrison, perhaps a couple of lbs and jumbos, and Nidaros will take all the heat due to position.
Otherwise, a road will be built to the westernmost goldmine for a debarkation point. The main question I have is about techs. How long until we shut it down? The next major techs are gunpowder techs - are we going to chase this?
I don't think Uppsala is worth keepin', once Nidaros expand its borders it gives us only 2 tiles.
We can take Nidaros first, and with a bigger stack, keeping some spare troops to take Uppsala, while the ones in Nidaros defend the city.
After Uppsala will be razed, the conquerors can move fast to Nidaros, or re-embark to aim a new target.
Nidaros is ours, and Upsala is gone, as per captain's orders Knights are the goods, as are cats and trebs, but don't neglect a couple of bows and mace/pikes for safety. Our conquering army is recovering in Nidaros, and can soon push on with the aid of a supermedic chariot. Another army/fleet is forming on the NE coast, but is lacking support troops. The seas are pretty much ours, for the moment, and a caravel net is set up in the east, but just keep monitoring in case we need more galleons.
We're up against muskets, which isn't a huge hassle, but let's blitz before they get rifles. So, keep reinforcing the 2 armies and take em out! Otherwise, 2 settlers are being built, one for the west coast gold, and another for the centre, as we need to get irrigation to the north. We have engineering, drama, and are limping toward music. We could just turn tech off, I guess.
Turn 334/660 (1592 AD) [28-Feb-2008 14:30:57] York begins: Knight (4 turns) Utica begins: Catapult (3 turns) Carthage begins: Galleon (5 turns) Nottingham begins: Galleon (10 turns) Galleon promoted: Combat I Galleon promoted: Medic I User comment: Ragnar has musketmen in Nidaros. London finishes: Knight Utica finishes: Catapult Athens finishes: Maceman Corinth finishes: Catapult Saxon finishes: Barracks Hastings finishes: Catapult
Turn 335/660 (1595 AD) [28-Feb-2008 14:44:53] London begins: Knight (3 turns) Utica begins: Catapult (3 turns) Athens begins: Galleon (5 turns) Corinth begins: Longbowman (5 turns) Saxon begins: Library (9 turns) Hastings begins: Longbowman (19 turns) Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat II Knight promoted: Combat III Knight promoted: Combat IV While attacking in Barbarian territory at Uzbek, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Barbarian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 95.7%) Knight promoted: Combat II Knight promoted: Combat III While attacking in Barbarian territory at Uzbek, Knight defeats (3.60/10): Barbarian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 90.1%) Razed Uzbek Knight promoted: Medic I Knight promoted: March York finishes: Knight Athens's borders expand A Town was built near Athens Hadrumetum finishes: Galleon
Turn 336/660 (1598 AD) [28-Feb-2008 14:52:15] York begins: War Elephant (3 turns) Hadrumetum begins: Longbowman (5 turns) A Mine was built near Nottingham Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Lead by Warlord Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Combat I Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Medic I Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Medic II Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Medic III Sargon (Chariot) promoted: Morale User comment: The first troops get on galleons on the west coast. 6 cats, 2 xbows, 2 lbs, 2 jumbos. More to follow. London finishes: Knight Athens grows: 14 A Town was built near Corinth Hadrumetum grows: 10 Timbuktu finishes: Grocer Kumbi Saleh grows: 12 A Hamlet was built near Leptis
Turn 337/660 (1601 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:05:04] London begins: Knight (3 turns) A Farm was built near Leptis Timbuktu begins: Market (15 turns) Tech learned: Engineering York finishes: War Elephant Utica finishes: Catapult Carthage grows: 11 Djenne finishes: Maceman A Village was built near Timbuktu Nottingham finishes: Galleon While defending in Viking territory at Nidaros, Caravel defeats (1.20/3): Persian Caravel (Prob Victory: 32.4%)
Turn 338/660 (1604 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:09:29] Research begun: Drama (3 Turns) York begins: Trebuchet (4 turns) Utica begins: Longbowman (3 turns) Djenne begins: Trebuchet (7 turns) Nottingham begins: Galleon (10 turns) User comment: Engineering is in > Drama. We didn't really discuss techs, so I take the cheap culture producing ones that we'll need for the dom win. The GG is added to a chariot for a super medic. Caravel promoted: Combat I London finishes: Knight Athens finishes: Galleon Corinth finishes: Longbowman Carthage finishes: Galleon Timbuktu finishes: Market While defending on the high seas near Uppsala, Caravel loses to: Viking Caravel (1.92/3) (Prob Victory: 11.2%)
Turn 339/660 (1607 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:18:41] London begins: Pikeman (2 turns) Athens begins: Galleon (5 turns) Corinth begins: Trebuchet (7 turns) Carthage begins: Galleon (5 turns) Galleon promoted: Combat I Galleon promoted: Combat II While attacking on the high seas near Uppsala, Galleon defeats (4.00/4): Viking Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.5%) A Farm was built near Corinth London finishes: Pikeman Utica finishes: Longbowman Hadrumetum finishes: Longbowman Timbuktu finishes: War Elephant Kumbi Saleh finishes: Market Hastings grows: 3
Tech learned: Drama Zoroaster (Great Prophet) born in London York grows: 13 York finishes: Trebuchet Nottingham grows: 8
Turn 341/660 (1613 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:27:48] Research begun: Music (6 Turns) York begins: Maceman (3 turns) Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat II Knight promoted: Combat III Knight promoted: Combat IV War Elephant promoted: Formation Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: Accuracy Catapult promoted: Accuracy Catapult promoted: City Raider II Maceman promoted: Combat I Maceman promoted: Shock Crossbowman promoted: Combat I Crossbowman promoted: Shock Crossbowman promoted: Drill II Maceman promoted: City Raider I Maceman promoted: City Raider II User comment: The siege of Nidaros has begun. London finishes: Pikeman Corinth finishes: Trebuchet Timbuktu grows: 13 Saxon grows: 7 Saxon finishes: Library
Turn 342/660 (1616 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:35:18] London begins: Knight (3 turns) Corinth begins: Trebuchet (8 turns) Saxon begins: Theatre (5 turns) Timbuktu begins: Settler (8 turns) A Farm was built near Corinth A Farm was built near Corinth While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Viking Catapult (Prob Victory: 99.9%) Galleon promoted: Combat I Galleon promoted: Combat II A Village was built near Utica Athens grows: 15 Athens finishes: Galleon Carthage finishes: Galleon A Town was built near Hadrumetum Djenne grows: 11 Kumbi Saleh finishes: Pikeman
Turn 343/660 (1619 AD) [28-Feb-2008 15:47:27] Athens begins: Settler (6 turns) Carthage begins: Galleon (5 turns) Kumbi Saleh begins: Longbowman (3 turns) Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Shock Knight promoted: Combat II While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Knight defeats (3.20/10): Viking Berserker (Prob Victory: 79.3%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Catapult loses to: Viking Musketman (6.84/9) (Prob Victory: 0.1%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Catapult loses to: Viking Longbowman (5.46/6) (Prob Victory: 0.8%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Catapult loses to: Viking Longbowman (5.46/6) (Prob Victory: 0.8%) Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat II Knight promoted: Combat III While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Catapult loses to: Viking Longbowman (5.46/6) (Prob Victory: 1.5%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Catapult loses to: Viking Longbowman (3.90/6) (Prob Victory: 0.8%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Viking Musketman (Prob Victory: 96.8%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Knight defeats (4.90/10): Viking Berserker (Prob Victory: 96.6%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Maceman defeats (4.80/8): Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 84.1%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, War Elephant defeats (3.44/8): Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 92.2%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, War Elephant loses to: Viking Longbowman (1.02/6) (Prob Victory: 83.1%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%) While attacking in Viking territory at Nidaros, Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): Viking Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Buddhism has spread: Nidaros Captured Nidaros (Ragnar) Nidaros begins: Theatre (75 turns) User comment: Nidaros is ours. Hopefully we can raze Upsala with the reinforcements, and then push on.
London finishes: Knight York finishes: Maceman Kumbi Saleh's borders expand A Hamlet was built near Kumbi Saleh A Village was built near Kumbi Saleh A Hamlet was built near Hastings Team 6 becomes a Vassal State of Team 2 Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Ragnar(Vikings), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly' Attitude Change: Ragnar(Vikings) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Turn 344/660 (1622 AD) [28-Feb-2008 16:00:33] London begins: Knight (3 turns) York begins: Longbowman (2 turns) Crossbowman promoted: Drill III Knight promoted: Combat III Maceman promoted: City Raider III Catapult promoted: City Raider II While attacking in Viking territory near Uppsala, Galleon defeats (4.00/4): Viking Caravel (Prob Victory: 78.3%) London grows: 15 Utica finishes: Trebuchet Corinth grows: 11 A Hamlet was built near Carthage Djenne finishes: Trebuchet A Village was built near Djenne Nottingham finishes: Galleon Hastings finishes: Longbowman Leptis grows: 4
Turn 345/660 (1625 AD) [28-Feb-2008 16:05:07] Utica begins: Trebuchet (5 turns) Djenne begins: Stock Exchange (19 turns) Nottingham begins: War Elephant (5 turns) Hastings begins: Theatre (25 turns) Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider I Catapult promoted: City Raider II Catapult promoted: City Raider II Catapult promoted: City Raider II Catapult promoted: City Raider III Catapult promoted: Accuracy Catapult promoted: Accuracy Catapult promoted: Accuracy Catapult promoted: Accuracy Trebuchet promoted: City Raider I Trebuchet promoted: City Raider II Trebuchet promoted: City Raider III While attacking in Viking territory at Uppsala, Catapult loses to: Viking Longbowman (0.60/6) (Prob Victory: 2.1%) While attacking in Viking territory at Uppsala, Trebuchet defeats (2.80/4): Viking Swordsman (Prob Victory: 96.8%) While attacking in Viking territory at Uppsala, Catapult defeats (2.90/5): Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Knight promoted: Combat I Knight promoted: Combat II Knight promoted: Combat III Knight promoted: Combat IV While attacking in Viking territory at Uppsala, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Viking Berserker (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Buddhism has spread: Uppsala Captured Uppsala (Ragnar) Razed Uppsala Uppsala lost A Pasture was built Leptis begins: Theatre (13 turns)
Damn, forgot the battle stats.
edit: Forgot to mention, we have a GS and a GP sitting in York (iirc)
I guess Ragnar is one of them, although I didn't notice any other indication. Tiles? A lot. I forgot to switch the alert on, but on f8, I noticed we weren't close yet.
I think we should be watching for the opportunity to win by Conquest vs domination. Dependent on how quickly and successfully we kill off our first few cities.
I agree, GB much will depend from how much resistance we'll encounter and from the luck we'll have in combats.
For now we need to take some city in any case, so go ahead.
roster:
greatbeyond - UP
blubmuz - on deck
civicide
sweetacshon - resting
Merum - auto-skipped until news
I have the save but have been contemplating the next moves. Will proceed in about 16 hours. I favor sending our force in the East to attack Saladin and open a two front war. There are two Viking cities on the island, one of these has the Buddhist holy city. Is it there a benefit to capturing it?
Is it worth switching to Universal Suffrage to buy units or does PS get them faster?
I suggest we use our GS and GP because unless we are going to research the techs our GS and GP will discover first, then hope we get something that is more useful when we lightbulb them, we are just wasting them. Do we use them for techs or settle them? Neither Philo or Divine Right really give us anything immediately useful.
I'm thinking it might be worth it to trigger a Golden Age. Combined with the production bonus we're already seeing for our being in Police State, and our need to crank out a very large army, that's probably our best use for them.
I am going to stop for the day and reevaluate what to do.
I have played 4 turns and disaster has struck. One of our stacks moving out from Nidaros ran into a nasty surprise. Arabian Cavalry and a large stack of units. We have lost 7 knights, a WE, Maceman, Xbow, and Treb, and we were on a hill for the 25% bonus as well as having very strong units. They used their large stack of cats to beat us down. They lost a Cav, Treb, and 3 Cats. They had lots of HA and Cam Archers, as well as Cats. I am sure that they have lots of wounded units, from the Combat log, but they will be probably be able to get back to their city before we can get to them.
Our Troops for the 2nd front are enroute to the west side of Arabia as their cities are lightly defended with just a couple LB. If we do take them I would consider keeping only one in the area and Destroying the rest.
I want to double check the makeup of our Troops and stacks and see what the best counter will be. and if it makes sense to press the attack now with the 2nd large stack outside Nidaros, or wait for reinforcements. Will it be better to get them to come to us and hit them with our own stack of Cats and cut them down to size and slaughter the survivors?
We have learned Drama, I suggest we make a beeline for Military Tradition so we get our own Calvary. Perhaps in retrospective we should have used our GS for Philo, as it appears we may be falling too far behind in techs.
Any preferences where to put our Settlers that have been built. I see the city locations that were marked. My feeling is that the site above Athens should be 2N from where it is marked.
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Knights are the goods, as are cats and trebs, but don't neglect a couple of bows and mace/pikes for safety. Our conquering army is recovering in Nidaros, and can soon push on with the aid of a supermedic chariot. Another army/fleet is forming on the NE coast, but is lacking support troops. The seas are pretty much ours, for the moment, and a caravel net is set up in the east, but just keep monitoring in case we need more galleons.
