SGOTM 07 - Chokonuts

I agree that we need to switch to Rep now.

I also agree that we should Asoka would be best for PA, then Lizzie.

Yes, after Lit head straight for Liberalism.

pholk...are you able to finish your turns or should we move on?
 
okay, sorry all ~

finishing my turns, starting on Lit, revolting and pressing enter. :D
 
okay, i went for lit next. We've got to grab myst and poly first (and I realize i totally blew it here!! If we lose TGLibrary, blame me!!) it was TOTAL :smoke: that I didn't trade abc around. thinking back during the game, I didn't remember reading anybody's opinions on trading, so I didn't trade at all, thinking i'd give people more time to chime in :sad: total f- up on my part ~ i think my lack of confidence is showing, and will try to just play, and not worry so much about messing up ~ b/c it messes me up!! anyway, on to the turns . . .

I researched Myst > Poly. We got Judaism to spread to us (of course), while KK and HC both converted to Buddhism.

in 1320 bc, Imhotep was born and promptly settled.

Okay, we're at lit in 5 turns now at 1200 bc. I built an axe, spear and barracks is in the queue. I thought we should have *something* other than a warrior for defense before the rax got built.

I'm not entirely convinced we'll have a peaceful continent here, either, so i'm not sure Asoka will be best. He's a hindu and buddhists are the dominant bloc here.

Da Save!
Note: I accidentally re-uploaded the ABC save, so if you can't get the 1200 one, lmk. however, it should be there.
 
10 more turns:

Grew to size 7 (max happy cap)

Traded Asoka Alphabet for Animal Husbandry, Priesthood, Archery, and 50 gold
Traded Frederick Alphabet for Iron Working
Traded Washington Alphabet for Meditation and Sailing
Traded Julius Alphabet and Poly for Math

built barracks -> archer -> Great Library
We miss the Great Library by 5 turns...almost.

After we miss Great Library, I start the National Epic

After Literature is finished, start Code of Laws

At this point, our best PA person might be Frederick - we're already at +6 with him.

At the end of the turns Kublai closed open borders with us...he might declare on us soon.
 
i saw that paragraph after i posted. i was like: "how did i miss this?!" it was the longest paragraph in your post.

just goes to show i don't really listen to you :p

but yes, total screw up ~ i shall report to the Fox for Flogging (should I TM 'Fox Flogging' ?)
 
Some gripes first.

We're giving Fred crabs for free (don't go there pholk :p) while JC and Asoka have happy resources to trade. I cancel the deal but we can't trade it for anything :blush:

There is plenty of trading to be done. I trade for Monarchy, Monotheism and HBR, giving up Alphabet and Mathematics.

The first war of the game :goodjob:



Not one we want to get involved in :( so I say no.

National Epic comes in and I start a temple.

We are the first on our continent to get CoL. No trades availiable though, course set for Civil Service.

Crab for Gold deal with JC :goodjob:

Tough moment when HC demands CoL. I say no but only after thinking about it for a long time. He is one of the AI, Asoka and Frederick will declare on so might be all right if he does come after us.

Frederick and Washington declares war on Tokogawa. So do we :goodjob:



So does Asoka.





Whoever can carve out the most of Tokogawa's empire should be our PA target (when I look closer, his empire is just one city :lol:). There are 373 turns to go. We need 40 turns of DP/war. It would be great to get a Hinduism spread.

We get our first GS, academy built.



So at 625BC, we have 3/40 turns of PA with Frederick, Washington and Asoka. Keep a track of this please.

Civil Service is in 8 turns, we should revolt to bureaucracy and caste system asap. Monastery is being built in Beijing (1 turn left), then lighthouse and either research or aqueduct. If we go research employ more specialists.

We have regained the furs as well (I'm working them), so have a happy cap of 10 (pop is 8).

Our two goals from here are to get to Liberalism fast (ie only research CS, paper, education, philosophy and liberalism) and to improve relations with Fred/Asoka (we want to be the PA with whoever grabs Kyoto, pref Asoka). If we get a Hindu spread, become a Hindu. The other cars we have to play later is that once Asoka or Fred gets Democracy, we have the Pyramids to change to US to get a big diplo boost that ma push us over. Don't ever reject a request from Fred/Asoka. If a resource trade comes up (even if it is happy for happy or health for health) do it.

Things are looking good. Lets keep playing smart and we'll do this. Remember, the more input we get from the more people, the better everyone will be able to play :mischief:

When looking at the log when I submitted the save, I noticed that the Egyptians have been destroyed, so someone is doing well on the other continent.
 
nice playing there, oz. though whoever gave fred crabs . . . nevermind :mischief:

annnyway, I'm still not entirely sure we won't see some violent civ start to eat up some civs. I don't have much experience with 18 civs, but it seems that w/only two cities, some AIs might get antsy (see KK and JC) and get more than toku's one city. I agree that we whould keep our options open for asoka, but should also keep an eye on what develops down south. i meant to mention it in my report, but Kubey had a sizable stack just hanging out in his city, and i guess he found good use for it. could be more of that coming.
 
I got it boys.

At size ten we will need 21 food (-1 due to health), so that is the two crabs, sheep, deer and furs, leaving five scientists. If we can grab another health then we can forgo the furs and use six scientists. We can either build Aquaduct or workboat the fish/clams to the east.

Lighthouse after Monastry, then either Aquaduct or work boat. I will stop afte CS to review trade options.
 
Sorry for the delay. Played first eight this morning until CS came in.

completed Monastry Lighthouse and 2 Wb's.

Asoka got to CS two turns sooner than us and promptly traded to Washington.

Unfortunately that only leaves us able to currently trade CS to Frederick currently. Nobody else has either COL or Theology so cant yet get CS.

He has Feudalism and Currency to trade.

He will do following trades
CS + COL for Feudalism
CS for Currency + 80 gold

The Feudalism trade seems a bit steep but if we take this we would then be able to trade this to Liz and KK for Currency and Construction.

Paper is 7 turns before change in civics to Caste and Bureaucracy.

Sorry for lack of details\pictures I'll add those finish off when I'm back at home tomorrow.
 
Carrying on the Following trades were made

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Switched to Caste and Bureaucracy.

Unfortunately JC cancelled his gold/crab resource deal with us. He must have had supply of gold cut by KK as he is not trading with anyone else.
Thus we have stagnated growth at 9 now due to happy cap.

Other news

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I guess not many people like Frederick, I declined these as accepting any of them would have meant Freddie refusing to talk to us for majority of the game and he could be important tech trader.

Collosus and Sistne Chapel were all built in far away land.
Asoka founded Islam and Wash Taoism.

We are 4 turns from Paper and 3 turns from next GP. Nobody currently is wanting to trade any techs, but JC has Drama and ASoka and Wash both have Philo which hopefully will all be available to trade soon.

Tokugawa is still holding out but still only has archers.
 
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