SGOTM 13 - Ivan

[I. Larkin]

Got it and played 2 turns. All looks misarable. Do not understand, why so many troops disbanded and why both Iron Cities gone. Was it possible to make peace for gold or at least for another City?
The only idea is to trade Iron from Atzteks when Astro will appear...

 

[Più Freddo]

Do not understand, why so many troops disbanded

I guess I didn't realize just how hot all these wars were. Since when does the AI send three Cavalry in a single ship? I call that bad luck. Why were we at war with Egypt in the first place?

I Republic, troops cost money. When you said revolt, I assumed we didn't want so many troops. We have to take chances when we're so far behind.

Most troops, however, simply died attacking the Cavalry. I'd never thought I'd lose that fight. Bad luck again.

why both Iron Cities gone. Was it possible to make peace for gold or at least for another City?

Here I must say I didn't realize that we lost the second Iron source. I was looking at the luxuries. The first one I thought was a bargain, the best choice for peace with America.

The second one was difficult. I tried money, of course. I tried other cities, even in pairs. Egypt wouldn't settle for less. On the F4 screen, when offering a Peace Deal, even AutomatedTellerville wasn't enough. And with three fairly healthy Cavalry units around, I didn't have much choice.

If we're lucky (ha-ha), Tokyo will flip back to us. But more realistically, we should suffer a conquest loss this or the next turn set. Don't forget to save the turn before the defeat!

 

[I. Larkin]

If we're lucky (ha-ha), Tokyo will flip back to us. But more realistically, we should suffer a conquest loss this or the next turn set. Don't forget to save the turn before the defeat!

Grrr... What else could I say? Obviously with American culture it will not flip back.

 

[Più Freddo]

Grrr... What else could I say? Obviously with American culture it will not flip back.

I'm really not used to underdog games. Sorry.

So what would you have done?

 

[I. Larkin]

I'm really not used to underdog games. Sorry.

So what would you have done?

I used to a bit, when started civ3. Really your mistakes was very severe.
I mean Rep lost with Babas (Local), and Rep lost with Spain (Global).
I played 4 turns, (it took a lot of time), now in peace with everybody and gradually recover...
Will write more soon.

 

[Marsden]

I'm really not used to underdog games. Sorry.

Me, neither. I'm sorry I didn't give in to the Egyptian demand for gold and map, but I didn't think they could hurt us, I killed the American cavalry, but RNG rules over us with an iron hand.

 

[I. Larkin]

I'm sorry I didn't give in to the Egyptian demand for gold and map,

I'd also do this, though it might be wrong. We have had to make peace with America earlier, before they demand "too much".
However all this troubles are not a reason to make suicide step in a close future. We have Chivalry and Engineering now, my plan is to build lot of workers and use forest plant/cut techique. Looks that Korea and Americans at war...

 

[Più Freddo]

Rep lost with Spain (Global).

Do you mean the fact that we were getting gold per turn when Spain was destroyed, and that that damaged our reputation? I can't see into the future, and the general feeling for the game is very weak in a succession game like this one. I had no clue that Spain would soon die.

What's the difference between a local and a global loss of good reputation?

 

[Marsden]

I think if your reputation is bad with an ai that has no other contacts it stays between you, but if the ai has contacts with other ai they automatically spread this knowledge around.


Has anyone heard from AutomatedTeller? or Elear?

 

[Più Freddo]

I think if your reputation is bad with an ai that has no other contacts it stays between you, but if the ai has contacts with other ai they automatically spread this knowledge around.

I know. But did we have this situation?

 

[Marsden]

I assumed so it's hard to tell without embassies but printing press has been around so it's safe to assume everyone is in contact with each other.

 

[I. Larkin]

What's the difference between a local and a global loss of good reputation?

Local can be "temporary fixed" if our trade partner in war with Babs. If AI died (Spain) rep gone "absolutely". AFAIK not to help AI at MA trush rep. Spain was heavly damaged by Americans...
But never mind. My mistake (Phylo instead of MMaking) was also very bad.

Has anyone heard from AutomatedTeller? or Elear?

Elear appear from time to time in his SG. But keep saying that have no time to play.
AT unpredictable... Lets assume that he is up. If he will not appear next 2 days, Marsden Up.
I put file on server.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I have tried to play, but computer keeps crashing - I don't think it can handle the map

 

[I. Larkin]

OK, sorry, that did not wrote turnlog.
(It is important, we are at war with Scandinavia and INDIA, who joined Scandinavia without good reason. ) Idea is to take Edu+ Invention from Scandinavia for gpt and, if they do not have Astro Declare again. India may appear at any moment and we are Toast...
Will write more tomorrow. Marsden up.
Ivan

 

[Più Freddo]

Local can be "temporary fixed" if our trade partner in war with Babs. If AI died (Spain) rep gone "absolutely".

So the difference is only that the AI dies?

 

[I. Larkin]

0 1000*AD Change production and reduce e sci. We need some gold… Trade Theology for Chivalry to Babs. Pity, that we have no Iron now.
IBT .. Portugal sail closer.
1 1010*AD Trade WM around. Now Zulu have it but have no gold. Trade to Theodora Theology+ 55 gold for Engineering. Make peace with Portugal for 40 +10 gpt. Trade them WM for 20.
IBT Somebody Demand TM and 24 Gold I cave. Wounded American Galley nearby Tokyo.
2 1020*AD Trade WM around Strange thing, that our TM changes, but somebody pay 1 gold somebody not, even if have it…
IBT Portugal Demand TM and 24 Gold. Come on, Henry, you are getting 10 gpt… have a conscience! He has.
3 1030*AD Trade WM around. Rushed Temple in Ivangorod.
IBT Vikings Demand TM and 24 Gold. Ha – ha. You even do not have Education! How you suppose to sail? Go away. They declare.
4 1040*AD Trade WM around. Now Zulu have some gold… France trade TM but it does not help for WM. Border Expanded near ATville. Now we have Incense. Musketeer in ATville.
IBT William’s fleet near Kyoto appear. City analysis shows that he is (was) in war with Americans. Looks that with Portugal also.
5 1050*AD Trade WM around. American Cities starves.
IBT William Demand TM and 38 Gold! I cave…
6 1060*AD Trade WM around. India has now gold, but our WM costs around 30. There is no reason to trade WM + 90 for TM, I think.
IBT India made MA with Vikings vs us. What they offered BTW?
7 1070*AD Trade WM around.
IBT
8 1080*AD Trade WM around
IBT
9 1090*AD Trade WM around
IBT Market in Kyoto, Back to Military.
10 1100*AD
IBT Somebody demand TM and 24 Gold. Cave again.
11 1110*AD Trade WM around
IBT
12 1120*AD Here we are… I started Marsdenland improvement via workers/ forest cut method and care about Culture pressure. Kyoto will be military supply. Idea is to Make a peace with Vikings for Invention and our gpt, make Peace with India, when they will be close, and declare to Vikings again. America has Infantry in Tokyo, and If it will not Flip we have no chances to get Iron. It does not matter, however.

 

[I. Larkin]

Dear Marsden and Piu Freddo, how things going? I assumed that Marsden up, but did not see his reaction for ages. If we do not want to continue, may be we declare that officially and will have an opportunities to see how other teams doing?
To exercise more “under dog” position I opened “Sid average start” in SG SG sub-forum, could you, please, have a look?
Regards, I. Larkin.

 

[Più Freddo]

Dear Marsden and Piu Freddo, how things going? I assumed that Marsden up

So did I .

 

[Elear]

Larkin pointed me here again after so long. Looks bad I have to say, that's why I boycotted this game.

I'll play any sets as required, I suppose.

 

[I. Larkin]

Marsden I know you are here. Will you play your turns? We decided that we are not die yet.