SGOTM 16 - Kakumeika

[shulec]

I will be able to check in intermittantly.

 

[Manco Capac]

Will see and give opinions if I meet your play starting time.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

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T49

War declared. Worker captured. Putting "show enemy moves" ON in the BUFFY options.

T50

Louis stumbled across Brennus archer/settler stack. Heading for the horses most likely:

Spoiler :

options:
1. fortify in the forest. Will the stack disband? will the archer attack, and the settler retreat?
2. move 1S1W, continue towards the copper tile.
3. ?

Brennus will probably settle 1N1E next turn, and the archer will follow the settler.

I'd go option 2 - move 1S1W as per PPP - towards copper. suggestions? ok, option 2 it is then

Eve and Slave moved according to plan. Brennus scout seems to have gone north. Joan might find it in the next few turns.

T51

HOORAY

"Ramesses will trade BW" ... says buffy

... and this is what Ramesses says:

Spoiler :

Bitracte is at 149, and Vienna at 152 sabotage production.

OK, per PPP, I am making the trade.

Now we have BW and archery. No bronze nearby horse archers?

Brennus seems to have settled 1S of horses. (I didn't get the notification ).

Copper is safe, moving Louis. All units safe for now. moved all. There is a lot of tundra/ice/some lakes to the north.

T52

Oo trouble

Spoiler :

axe and archer spotted. axe threatening Louis.

Eve and Slave to silk, louis 2N through the forest? can lurk from the forest next turn.

power graph (last 50 turns - even if it's T52 now ) :

Spoiler :

Espionage

Bitracte 231, Vienna 0. Vienna must have produced something. That archer must be the one Kaitzilla spotted T48. Bitracte is size 5, so no whip yet.

 

[shulec]

I initially wanted to suggest a simulation with the test game, but we probably won't be able to simulate the archer/settler stack.

I think the archer/settler will continue north no matter what we do. I don't think they will split up, but they may. I would say go 1S1W. If the archer goes 1W to the forest we cannot get the copper. If he continues to the horse, fine. It will be a while before he has any chariots. The worst move would obviously be to go 1S.

Tacky would be the best resource to answer this.

I suspect LC will chime in soon.

 

[LowtherCastle]

options:
1. fortify in the forest. Will the stack disband? will the archer attack, and the settler retreat?
2. move 1S1W, continue towards the copper tile.
3. ?

Brennus will probably settle 1N1E next turn, and the archer will follow the settler.

I'd go option 2 - move 1S1W as per PPP suggestions?

I agree with 2.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

GREAT NEWS !! refresh post 923

 

[LowtherCastle]

GREAT NEWS !! refresh post 923

Bitracte is at 149, and Vienna at 152 sabotage production.

Great news! Let's hope he goes for fishing next.

That should be 19h in both cities. Archers completing next turn, possibly. Or archer in Vienne and something else not done in Bibracte, like another axe. His power graph will reveal what.

 

[LowtherCastle]

"axe and archer spotted and threatening Louis."

1. What does the espionage screen say about Bibracte?
2. Does Brennus' power graph show an increase just now? If so, how much compared to the last change, when he built an axe?

 

[LowtherCastle]

"Eve and Slave to silk, louis 2N through the forest? can lurk from the forest next turn. "

I wouldn't move anything yet. We wnat to try to figure out a way to lure the axe away from the copper.

 

[LowtherCastle]

First, let's figure out what units Brennus has available. To do that, we need to figure out his power and whetherBibracte built anything last turn.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

"Eve and Slave to silk, louis 2N through the forest? can lurk from the forest next turn. "

I wouldn't move anything yet. We wnat to try to figure out a way to lure the axe away from the copper.

Wouldn't Eve and Slave lure the axe South? louis might come back t ocopper in, say 2 turns.

Bitracte didn't build anything. I added the info to post # 923

He got a unit in Vienna most likely. sabotage Vienna was 152 on T51, zero on T52.

 

[Kaitzilla]

"Eve and Slave to silk, louis 2N through the forest? can lurk from the forest next turn. "

I wouldn't move anything yet. We wnat to try to figure out a way to lure the axe away from the copper.

Ya, I was thinking Eve and Slave to the silk 2S of Copper and Louis retreat to 2N of copper.

I'm not really sure how we can lure the axe. It is definitely in attack mode.



Great news on the Bronze Working trade!

 

[LowtherCastle]

We have 17000 soldiers. Brennus has 37000. The power rate was 0.459459459...

Does anyone konw where Tachy finds this number (0.459459459...)? Is it in the save somewhere?

 

[Walter_Wolf]

Does anyone konw where Tachy finds this number (0.459459459...)? Is it in the save somewhere?

We know our soliders, and the power ratio ... wait ...

We have 41000 soliders, and the power ratio with Brennus is 0,7885.

EDIT: he must have 52000 soliders.

EDIT2: T51, we were at 0,5510 before the BW/archery trade, and we had 27000. Brenny was at 49000.

he gained 3000. What's that, an archer?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Brennus power appears to have gone +4 +2 +3 in the last three turns. His score was 150 on T49, with Bibracte pop4.. Did the score increase on T50? When did Bibracte grow to pop5?

+4k power could have been him completing TW, if there's about a +5 or +6 increase in score.

Edit: The odd power gain was on T51: +2, if I'm reading your picture of the power graph correctly. That's not too common. If he settled the third city and Bibacte grew to p5 and Vienne to p2, then his power would jump +2. Or if he built an axe, but he didn't. Or if he completed Sailing, but he doesn't have Fishing.

   52000 T52
-   3000 (Rax)            . 
    2000 (hunting)         
    2000 (mining)  
    2000 (AH)                 Axe=6000, Archer=3000, Spear=4000
    6000 (Archery)
    8000 (BW)                
    2000 (5 pops)
   12000 (4 archers)
    6000 (1 axe)
-------------
  - 4000 T50 TW 
    2000 T51 p5==>p8
    3000 T52 (archer in Vienne)

 

[Walter_Wolf]

We traded him the wheel T49.

Brennus score:

T49 168 (+18)
T50 168 (+18) - it was really showing the same numbers 2 turns in a role.
T51 182 (+14)
T52 182

He got Bitracte and Vienna both +1 pop T50 - T51.

EDIT: ah, right, he settled the 3rd city T51.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

err ... stopping point?

24 hours discussion on next moves?

Possible solution

T52 - Eve and slave 1N1W to the silk; Louis 2N via the forest. Hope the axe moves 1S.
T53 - Eve 1S1W escapes the axe; Louis smells the forest, Slave moves to the other silk 1N1W. Axe moves to the silk.
T54 - Slave escapes 2N2E to the forest Louis was camping a lot.

The axe move 1S1W instead of 1S IBT 52 - 53 ruins the plan.

 

[Sun Tzu Wu]

I'm having difficulty seeing our current situation.

Walter_Wolf, please try to provide a picture where Brennus' units, our units and his Bronze are clearly identified around the threat area (Bronze). We probably do not want to upload so soon after the last save, given that we have just completed the trade Bronze Working + Archery for Alphabet.

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[LowtherCastle]

Okay, I get the power. +4=TW. +2=Pop8. +3=archer in Vienne.

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Here's what I suggest: First move the slave 1W, so we can see if it's safe to move him to Silk-1W.

My thinking is that we might have to bail out on pillaging the copper, but at least we can try to get the slave through rapidly. To do that, I'm thinking Louis goes NE-NE !!! The idea is to threaten his CIty3, defended by only an archer. Hopefully this will draw the axe onto the hill mine. But since he'll complete another axe IT, we don't want it to move NW/W, so it's better if the slave is not on the silk, but west of it, if possible. Meanwhile, Eve should probably stay put, to possibly draw a unit southward.

Whaddaya think?

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[Walter_Wolf]

Sorry Sun Tzu Wu

This is the situation:

Possible solution (current turn is 52).

T52 - Eve and slave 1N1W to the silk; Louis 2N via the forest. Hope the axe moves 1S.
T53 - Eve 1S1W escapes the axe; Louis smells the forest, Slave moves to the other silk 1N1W. Axe moves to the silk or 1E.
T54 - Slave escapes 2N2E to the forest Louis was camping a lot.

The axe move 1S1W instead of 1S IBT 52 - 53 ruins the plan.

EDIT: Brennus axe is combat1 promoted.