SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts
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OK, our problem is:
- Brennus stack has 21 units in it,
- we have 8 Maces/Xbows/Pike in Bibracte,
- we also have 3 cats, 2 trebs, a LB and a Chariot in Bibracte
- and a spear and Mace arriving this turn
- 2 Maces, 3 trebs & Pike in Camel town that could join the fun next turn
- 2 Maces and Xbow next to camel town that could join as well, if they move to the road.
If he moves on Bibratce, then there is no problem, we can just defend with what we have.
If he moves on Camel town, then we have to attack the stack.
If we suicide 2 or 3 cats on his stack, then all available Maces/Xbows/Pikes/LB's attack (there are 15 of these, some across a river), then he will still have 6 units. These will likely be 6 Chariots, and they won't be able to counter attack Bibracte
We need to move the maces and xbows that are on the forest west of Camel town to the road north of camel town, so they can join the carnage.
- Brennus stack has 21 units in it,
- we have 8 Maces/Xbows/Pike in Bibracte,
- we also have 3 cats, 2 trebs, a LB and a Chariot in Bibracte
- and a spear and Mace arriving this turn
- 2 Maces, 3 trebs & Pike in Camel town that could join the fun next turn
- 2 Maces and Xbow next to camel town that could join as well, if they move to the road.
If he moves on Bibratce, then there is no problem, we can just defend with what we have.
If he moves on Camel town, then we have to attack the stack.
If we suicide 2 or 3 cats on his stack, then all available Maces/Xbows/Pikes/LB's attack (there are 15 of these, some across a river), then he will still have 6 units. These will likely be 6 Chariots, and they won't be able to counter attack Bibracte
We need to move the maces and xbows that are on the forest west of Camel town to the road north of camel town, so they can join the carnage.
Well, as great as that is it's past the time in which GP's are SIGNIFICANTLY useful.As you can see, GP's only save us like 5 turns per tech or so and then eventually, they may go as little as 1-3 turns!
I want them for 3-4 Golden Ages once we capture MoM and are in sushi. No need for bulbing techs.
Trystero
Deity
Edit: No green from me yet! Sorry but I'm in the process of Bur Vs FS and where to build OU. It's A LOT of work so it's taking timeBUT I don't have work tomorrow so I'll be up late doing the calculations. It's a lot to post in a post so I'm going to be attaching a spreadsheet if that is fine.
I'm fine with waiting for Revents calculations, but are we going to start OU in the 3-turn set in the PPP? I thought we were going to wait for the stone from Vienne. Will that be in our culture immediately after capture?
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Green
OK, going to work now, will check back in in ~40 minutes.
Green from me
Green from me
Trystero
Deity
OK - looking at the screen shots, we won't have stone in our culture the turn we take Vienne.
Green from me for the next turn.
I have actually included OU in the spreadsheet, requires some pre micro (which will vary dependant on which route we go) within the next three turns.
I really do apologise for the delay! Believe me, I'm as excited as you about this
I really do apologise for the delay! Believe me, I'm as excited as you about this
Actually, if you want to play on, you can, but you'll have to maximise overflow of whipping university in both commerce and paris and make sure it doesn't go to anything else other than OU so may have to build wealth after that.
Regardless of where OU goes, surely its not important for the next 2 turns.
We have 2/6 universities.
Only 4 of our cities are even capable of whipping Uni's, and I do not support 4 pop whipping GP Farm or Production.
Paris is several turns from whipping the Salon into ??
Commerce is several turns from whipping the Uni into ??
edit: Clams is a few turns from being able to whip the Uni at all (much pefer to whip clams than GP Farm).
We have 2/6 universities.
Only 4 of our cities are even capable of whipping Uni's, and I do not support 4 pop whipping GP Farm or Production.
Paris is several turns from whipping the Salon into ??
Commerce is several turns from whipping the Uni into ??
edit: Clams is a few turns from being able to whip the Uni at all (much pefer to whip clams than GP Farm).
Fair enough. Well, I'll be going with my spreadsheet via that assumption that the university overflow will whip into OU which I thought is what we are going for.
The effect of it in that case is negligible because it applies to both equally.
In that case then, green from me. I'll continue my work on the spreadsheet until then.
@Neil, if you want to do some ripping apart, I can upload the Paris one once it's done and then I'll start working on Commerce.
The effect of it in that case is negligible because it applies to both equally.
In that case then, green from me. I'll continue my work on the spreadsheet until then.
@Neil, if you want to do some ripping apart, I can upload the Paris one once it's done and then I'll start working on Commerce.
I'm happy to whip either Commerce or Paris into OU. Whichever way we go. This makes perfect sense to me.
Commerce currently will only provide 3 overflow from a whip. So I think we will be waiting a few turns to maximise this.
Paris is only starting the Salon this turn, and can whip it into OU, if we choose Paris. edit: The Uni whipped last turn only gave 7 overflow, so no need building wealth until OU, just start Salon.
I do take your point though, we need both Commerce & Paris to be working their mines, so we will get max overflow.
Commerce currently will only provide 3 overflow from a whip. So I think we will be waiting a few turns to maximise this.
Paris is only starting the Salon this turn, and can whip it into OU, if we choose Paris. edit: The Uni whipped last turn only gave 7 overflow, so no need building wealth until OU, just start Salon.
I do take your point though, we need both Commerce & Paris to be working their mines, so we will get max overflow.
Work the mines in Paris & Commerce!!!
Ah no. Which tiles exactly do you want me working?
I've uploaded a spreadsheet for Paris here. It'll differ VERY little in my opinion with a couple of assumptions:
1) No more whipping after t169. Whipping after will have a negligible effect though
2)Cottage tiles are available to work when a city grows to a new size (fairly reasonable assumption)
3)Health and happy are not limiting factors (true for now anyway)
4)Cottage will always be chosen over a coastal tile. (Probably the wrong thing to do but it's a lot simpler and the results are negligible).
Edit: You guys know a link to upload an excel doc?
1) No more whipping after t169. Whipping after will have a negligible effect though
2)Cottage tiles are available to work when a city grows to a new size (fairly reasonable assumption)
3)Health and happy are not limiting factors (true for now anyway)
4)Cottage will always be chosen over a coastal tile. (Probably the wrong thing to do but it's a lot simpler and the results are negligible).
Edit: You guys know a link to upload an excel doc?
Revent has been spreadsheeting it, but if you work ALL mines in Paris & Commerce:
Both Commerce & Paris will be a able to do a big overflow whips in 3 turns.
Both Commerce & Paris will be a able to do a big overflow whips in 3 turns.
I agree with all 4 points... where is the spreadhseet?
