SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid
- Thread starter AlanH
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Do you have any interest in fighting the barb Axe:
Odds without promotion:
I guess 8% or so with Combat I.
I would personally prefer to stay fortified. Happy to move if someone takes the responsibility with me.
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I will stop with this turn or the next (depending on barb Axe feedback) and continue tomorrow.
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Odds without promotion:
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I guess 8% or so with Combat I.
I would personally prefer to stay fortified. Happy to move if someone takes the responsibility with me.
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I will stop with this turn or the next (depending on barb Axe feedback) and continue tomorrow.
Barb Axe didn't fight:
Bad timing elsewhere, as Toku's borders popped. This adds 2.5 turns to our journey west:
I'll pause for the night. Besides these difficulties, I need to think about the new Worker and the Axe movement. Another barbarian is complicating things:
I can upload if someone wants to see the current file. Otherwise, I'll resume tomorrow.
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Bad timing elsewhere, as Toku's borders popped. This adds 2.5 turns to our journey west:
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I'll pause for the night. Besides these difficulties, I need to think about the new Worker and the Axe movement. Another barbarian is complicating things:
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I can upload if someone wants to see the current file. Otherwise, I'll resume tomorrow.
Just to give y'all an idea of the north:
Tokugawa won't threaten us with his best unit ("fear my X!") so we can't know whether he has metal or Horses:
Capturing his Worker would be a bit of a gamble. We'd have +25% defense from the Hill, and probably +25% from the river. A Chariot would still receive winning odds, though. He also has Iron Working, so two possible sources of metal.
FWIW, the Confucianism is already dominating as a religion:
We are the largest civ, in terms of land mass and population.
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Because Aesthetics completes ~T61 (at 100% after the Academy), we can extort Polytheism from Asoka on T62 if necessary.
Unless we find an AI with lots of
, we will also run out of on T61. I haven't looked into building Wealth yet.
To judge from a test, capturing Constantinople will generate ~100G, when we lose ~40G per turn. In other words, we can raise the slider for 2.5 turns with capture gold.
I think this leaves us ~3 turns short of to research Literature. I can check later in a test. Having 6 cities without CHs or foreign trade routes is tough on the economy.
Ideally, we would receive Polytheism + gold (and Iron Working, OFC) in a trade, to allow us to continue researching @ 100%. If that happens, then after we capture Constantinople, we will need to decide whether we want to finish Asoka off or extort Monotheism + Organized Religion.
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Tokugawa won't threaten us with his best unit ("fear my X!") so we can't know whether he has metal or Horses:
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Capturing his Worker would be a bit of a gamble. We'd have +25% defense from the Hill, and probably +25% from the river. A Chariot would still receive winning odds, though. He also has Iron Working, so two possible sources of metal.
FWIW, the Confucianism is already dominating as a religion:
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We are the largest civ, in terms of land mass and population.
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Because Aesthetics completes ~T61 (at 100% after the Academy), we can extort Polytheism from Asoka on T62 if necessary.
Unless we find an AI with lots of
, we will also run out of on T61. I haven't looked into building Wealth yet. To judge from a test, capturing Constantinople will generate ~100G, when we lose ~40G per turn. In other words, we can raise the slider for 2.5 turns with capture gold.
I think this leaves us ~3 turns short of
to research Literature. I can check later in a test. Having 6 cities without CHs or foreign trade routes is tough on the economy.Ideally, we would receive Polytheism + gold (and Iron Working, OFC) in a trade, to allow us to continue researching @ 100%. If that happens, then after we capture Constantinople, we will need to decide whether we want to finish Asoka off or extort Monotheism + Organized Religion.
I am also thinking about putting the OF into a Market, if, on T58, we are confident that we can capture Constantinople and TGW.
Besides the boost to
, a Market will add +1 
from the Ivory, and later +1 from the Silk. The OF won't be anywhere near enough to build this, but it is an expensive building, as you know.Again, this is too far off to commit to a particular path.
There's something unusual about Toku's techs.
IIRC, he did not have IW when we had Alpha, on T42 or ? he got IW, then on T47 or ?, he already got Math. Will his tech rate that good to research Math so fast? There's a possibility that he traded Math with other AI (friendly).
I thought that you were joking in previous post. I would not do it for now since the major task of that axe is to meet more AIs, so that it can't waste time to escort the captured worker back.
Putting hammers to market is OK, would be nice to whip it with maximum OF to TGL.
IIRC, he did not have IW when we had Alpha, on T42 or ? he got IW, then on T47 or ?, he already got Math. Will his tech rate that good to research Math so fast? There's a possibility that he traded Math with other AI (friendly).
I thought that you were joking in previous post. I would not do it for now since the major task of that axe is to meet more AIs, so that it can't waste time to escort the captured worker back.
Putting hammers to market is OK, would be nice to whip it with maximum OF to TGL.
Maybe, but the OF is only worth 20/120H. This would be an ideal, but it is a low priority target compared to rushing Asoka and building TGL.
We got Alpha on T32.
T32: won't trade Polytheism
T33: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working
T34: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation
T42: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation (my last turnset ends)
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T47: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation, Mathematics (my new turnset begins)
T33: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working
T34: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation
T42: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation (my last turnset ends)
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T47: won't trade Polytheism, Iron Working, Meditation, Mathematics (my new turnset begins)
So I don't think his tech pace is unusual.
There is an AI with a huge amount of GNP:
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I was, but you had mentioned harassing Tokugawa, and IIRC TSR did much better than us in the early stages of the last SGOTM by stealing from several AI.
I wanted to give it a fair assessment, although I am opposed to the idea.
On T59 the capital will grow to size 6, with 20 turns of unhappiness left (no unhappy citizens). And about 30H in a Market.
I haven't tested that far, but it should be fairly easy to bring the Market to approx. 89H, and then stagnate on a Settler. I would like to research at 100% constantly through to Literature.
I suppose it will not necessarily be a bad thing to have > 3 Workers around the capital on the turn that we research Literature. After TGL is built, we will no doubt want the NE as well.
Again, I have not played or tested this far. I'm just thinking ahead, to the turns after the Axe rush, and how the present Worker moves should be adjusted now.
Mass chopping Forests will also mean that we need to connect the Corn and Cow.
The Great Library = 350H
The National Epic = 250H
7 Forests * 60H = 420H
If we can manage ~50H OF from a Settler (slow-build) ---> Market (whip) ---> TGL, then we are looking at 2-3 turns to build both wonders. The chopping would consume a lot of Worker turns, so let's hope that we can capture a few more Workers.The National Epic = 250H
= 600H total
7 Forests * 60H = 420H
Again, I have not played or tested this far. I'm just thinking ahead, to the turns after the Axe rush, and how the present Worker moves should be adjusted now.
Mass chopping Forests will also mean that we need to connect the Corn and Cow.
Fair then if he got IW on T33, I thought that his tech rate would be slower than us with 2 cities only. His capital might have strong commercial resource.
I updated the micro and will resume shortly.
Our Axe in the south will stay fortified. If the Archer moves 1NW onto the hill, and tries to enter our territory (this happens in the test, but AI seem to have more cities there) an Axe from the capital will be at Sheepish in time to defend.
I lost visibility of Asoka's capital on T50, but I think he is building (or has built) a Worker or Settler:
I hope that one of our new Axes can kill the barbarian Warrior soon. It is a threat to Workers roading to Asoka, and the +1XP would be enough for a second promotion.
Our Axe in the south will stay fortified. If the Archer moves 1NW onto the hill, and tries to enter our territory (this happens in the test, but AI seem to have more cities there) an Axe from the capital will be at Sheepish in time to defend.
I lost visibility of Asoka's capital on T50, but I think he is building (or has built) a Worker or Settler:
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I hope that one of our new Axes can kill the barbarian Warrior soon. It is a threat to Workers roading to Asoka, and the +1XP would be enough for a second promotion.
As I thought:
IBT:
The barbarians can now enter our borders:
Plan:
T52: Case Depart: SOD 1 ----> Sheepish via Plains Hill. Arrives on T53.
T53: Southern Axe. Stay fortified (T52). On T53, move to Grassland Hill.
T53: Case Depart: SOD 2 ----> Sheepish via Plains Hill. Arrives on T54.
T53: 1x Barb Archer; 1x Barb Warrior versus 1x Dutch Axeman
T54: potentially 1x Barb Axeman and 1x Barb Warrior
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IBT:
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The barbarians can now enter our borders:
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Plan:
T52: Case Depart: SOD 1 ----> Sheepish via Plains Hill. Arrives on T53.
T53: Southern Axe. Stay fortified (T52). On T53, move to Grassland Hill.
T53: Case Depart: SOD 2 ----> Sheepish via Plains Hill. Arrives on T54.
T53: 1x Barb Archer; 1x Barb Warrior versus 1x Dutch Axeman
T54: potentially 1x Barb Axeman and 1x Barb Warrior
