SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid

[pomthom]

My thought about the war with Toku:

If we upgrade a coupe of combat HAs, still don't have high odd vs LB, we could let some Flanking HAs attack 1st to wound the LB and then attack with Cuis. We need to move out the healthy HAs to the attacking position in Constantinople (where HA21 is standing) now, just to reduce some outgoing fee.

Good

Edit: A few more suggestions:

HC has 1 gpt to offer, we can renegotiate the clam deal
Trade Music<->Theo + 10g
Trade Music+Phi<->Machinery Unfortunately that KK is cautious at us, so that we can't bribe him to switch out of slavery.
Trade MC<->5g

Yes KK at Cautious also means he won't throw in his map...

In all seriousness, do you now agree that the Monastery before it gets started on Cuirassiers? It will take 2 turns to complete. Maybe just 1.

Without switching tiles: on T124 we will have 7/1.5 = 4H OF from Forge and 23H base production with a 1.75 multiplier.

Tao Monastery: 11H/60 + (4 + 23) * 1.75 = 58H/60 on T125

2H short which I can get by changing from a plains cott to the GL Mine. The 1 turn sooner Monastery ~nets the loss of 3C with a 3.10 beaker multiplier and allows to start on Cuirs ASAP.

So OK

My only micro suggestion:

Spoiler :

Run 3 Merchants and 1 Artist. Work the Plains Hill (= 3H) and Grassland Hill (= 3H). Queue a Horse Archer, not a Courthouse.

OK

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I am not certain, but I don't think I've ever seen the OF bug translate into in BUFFY, just BULL. That would just affect the Chariot build.

So do I go with the Chariot or not?

I mean, if we have some 3-pop whips lined up, over 2-turns (T126-7) we can produce, at minimum:

94H * 1.5 = 141H​

90H from a 3-pop whip, 2HPT (over two turns) from the center square. That assumes we work no other hammer tiles.

Most of the 3-pop cities (like Thessalonica/Cornish Cow, etc.) have a Forest chop, or some OF, right? Let's say that they have 6H already invested in the Horse Archer, and then get 30H from one Forest. That seems conservative to me, but anyway:

(30 + 6) * 1.5 = 54H
141 + 54 = 195H​

It's really not difficult to produce two Cuirassiers in two turns with numbers like that.

BTW, make sure that Sea Horse grows to size 6 on T124 (i.e. when Constantinople stops running its specialists and can share a Rice again).

As ever, check my numbers, in case I have made a mistake.

They all three have +40H OF so that would mean 2 Cuirs produced each by T127. Fair enough.


Preparing to play

 

[Doshin]

2H short which I can get by changing from a plains cott to the GL Mine. The 1 turn sooner Monastery ~nets the loss of 3C with a 3.10 beaker multiplier and allows to start on Cuirs ASAP.

We could let Sheepish work the Grassland-Hill-Hamlet for a turn, so that it continues to develop.

So do I go with the Chariot or not?

Go with a Missionary.

Preparing to play

GL/HF.

 

[pomthom]

We could let Sheepish work the Grassland-Hill-Hamlet for a turn, so that it continues to develop.
What I planned to do.

Go with a Missionary.
OK

GL/HF.

Thanks! Pressing end turn, will upload my EOT 124 save in any case before proceeding to T125 where I'll pause

 

[Doshin]

Thanks! Pressing end turn, will upload my EOT 124 save in any case before proceeding to T125 where I'll pause

You don't need to upload unless something is pressing or you are unclear about something.

The identity of the Great Person in Constantinople could affect micro.

 

[soundjata]

Go go captain !

 

[pomthom]

A Great Artist was born in Constantinople.

What specialists should I run for 1 turn? If we want to share Rice or Corn with SH and not run deficit food in Constantinople that's 5 specialists.

 

[Doshin]

Gpp:

Let's say:

(6) Case Départ = GA #1
(7) Constantinople = GA #2.a = Great Artist
(*) Great Merchant Economics = GA #3​

If we have perfect RNG and spawn three different Great People types, then...

(8.a) Constantinople = GM/GScientist?​

If both Case Départ and Constantinople produce Great Scientists, then...

(8.b.) Constantinople = GA #2.b​

A Great Artist is good, unless Case Départ gets one at low odds as well.

Run Great Scientists in Constantinople, because:

Great Artist: "useless" (I exaggerate) if we generate another one in Constantinople (we need another GP for GA#3)
Great Merchant: we will use the Economics GM (or BS/DH) for GA#3
Great Scientist: if Case Depart pops a GArtist, then this can start a GA. If Case Depart pops a GScientist of its own, then Constantinople could still bulb.​

I would also run fewer great people than before in Constantinople and begin to grow. The city will whip a few Cuirassiers.

 

[pomthom]

Uploaded EOT 124. Just a couple things before pressing end turn:

• BM in Rice Pudding: where to? NW or SW?
• There's an early chop in Lalibela, we can put it (i) in a HA so we can 2-pop whip a Cuir next turn, (ii) in the Forge, (iii) bank it to benefit either from the OR or the PS bonus. What do you think? I vote (i) for earlier Cuir

LOG:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 200 AD to 225 AD:

Turn 123, 200 AD: Case Départ has grown to size 15.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Golden Sands has grown to size 6.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Cornish Cow has grown to size 8.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Gondar has grown to size 4.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Addis Ababa has been pacified.
Turn 123, 200 AD: The borders of Addis Ababa are about to expand.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Huayna Capac will trade Theology
Turn 123, 200 AD: Will Trade Map: Huayna Capac
Turn 123, 200 AD: Alexander has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 123, 200 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 123, 200 AD: The borders of Addis Ababa are about to expand.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Machinery
Turn 123, 200 AD: Huayna Capac will trade Machinery, Theology
Turn 123, 200 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 123, 200 AD: Will Trade Map: Huayna Capac
Turn 123, 200 AD: Buddhism has spread in Addis Ababa.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Thessalonica will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Aksum will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Lalibela will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Addis Ababa will shrink to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Deal Canceled: Clam to Huayna Capac for Gold Per Turn (1)
Turn 123, 200 AD: You have discovered Theology!
Turn 123, 200 AD: You have discovered Machinery!
Turn 123, 200 AD: You have constructed a Forge in Case Départ. Work has now begun on a Taoist Monastery.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Michaelangelo (Great Artist) has been born in Constantinople (Trumpster)!
Turn 123, 200 AD: The borders of Addis Ababa have expanded!
Turn 123, 200 AD: Kublai Khan has founded Zaragoza in a distant land.

Turn 124, 225 AD: Thessalonica has grown to size 7.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Aksum has grown to size 8.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Lalibela has grown to size 5.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Addis Ababa has shrunk to size 5.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 124, 225 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 &#8484; for Lalibela.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Cornish Cow will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 6 on the next turn.

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I would also run fewer great people than before in Constantinople and begin to grow. The city will whip a few Cuirassiers.

I don't know, the city is size 13 and I'd rather bank as many GPP we can as long as we are in Pacifism.

Scientists and 1 Spy is OK?

 

[Duckweed]

A GA almost solved the last unpredictable factor of our plan. We could hire a scientist in capital to increase the odd of GS.

BM to HC's capital, more BM will be needed for great captured cities later.

Bank the chop.

 

[Duckweed]

A few observations:

The worker south of Thessa is in dangerous position, cancel the job and draw it back
The woodmanII axe should go 1W and HA goes to the Ice hill next turn
We are ready to DOW Toku on T126.

Horse tile in Seahorse is better than cottage.

Golden sands should focus on Units than failed cash. We also need a settler from here. the workers around need to road toward north.

 

[Doshin]

Quick look at the save:

Golden Sands: build Horse Archer?
Lalibela: bank hammers

Theology <------> 70G with Alex seems good to me.​

We could hire an Engineer or Scientist in the capital after the Monastery completes.

I didn't look at unit placement or Worker micro. I'm supposed to be working.

 

[Duckweed]

Aksum will be unhappy when we DOW Toku, start a HA this turn and ready to whip on T126?

I don't know, the city is size 13 and I'd rather bank as many GPP we can as long as we are in Pacifism.

Scientists and 1 Spy is OK?

No spy since a GS is enough.

 

[Duckweed]

Theology <------> 70G with Alex seems good to me. [/INDENT]

I'd keep Theology. Alex might be researching Machinery now, just check and sell it in a proper time.

 

[pomthom]

A GA almost solved the last unpredictable factor of our plan. We could hire a scientist in capital to increase the odd of GS.

BM to HC's capital, more BM will be needed for great captured cities later.

Bank the chop.

OK

A few observations:

The worker south of Thessa is in dangerous position, cancel the job and draw it back
Really? Where can the danger come from?

The woodmanII axe should go 1W and HA goes to the Ice hill next turn
Had imagined the other way around but it's probably better this way

We are ready to DOW Toku on T126.

Horse tile in Seahorse is better than cottage.
Good catch, this happened when I rearranged the Corn

Golden sands should focus on Units than failed cash. We also need a settler from here. the workers around need to road toward north.

Switched to a HA (had it in my PPP and everything )

A GA almost solved the last unpredictable factor of our plan. We could hire a scientist in capital to increase the odd of GS.

BM to HC's capital, more BM will be needed for great captured cities later.

Bank the chop.

Quick look at the save:

Golden Sands: build Horse Archer?
Lalibela: bank hammers
Yes and yes

Theology <------> 70G with Alex seems good to me.
Yeah OK​

We could hire an Engineer or Scientist in the capital after the Monastery completes.

I didn't look at unit placement or Worker micro. I'm supposed to be working.

Aksum will be unhappy when we DOW Toku, start a HA this turn and ready to whip on T126?
Yes

No spy since a GS is enough.

OK just scientists

 

[pomthom]

If we give Theo to Alex for 70G do we trade Theo for map to KK?


Other than that, ready to press end turn

 

[Duckweed]

Don't sell Theology, I don't like AI has better military units.

About the worker in Thessa, the mounted units in iron city could reach it.

 

[Doshin]

We can hang onto Theo if you keep an eye on Alex's teching and look to sell whatever he's researching.

Alex built the Shwedagon Pagoda, so can switch into Theology already.

 

[pomthom]

OK guys, pressed end turn and uploaded!

Signing off for today, got a gig to attend to


LOG:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 225 AD to 250 AD:

Turn 124, 225 AD: Thessalonica has grown to size 7.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Aksum has grown to size 8.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Lalibela has grown to size 5.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Addis Ababa has shrunk to size 5.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 124, 225 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 &#8484; for Lalibela.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Cornish Cow will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 124, 225 AD: You have discovered Military Tradition!
Turn 124, 225 AD: You have constructed a Market in Sheepish. Work has now begun on a Cuirassier.
Turn 124, 225 AD: Constantinople celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
Turn 124, 225 AD: Narak (Great Prophet) has been born in Aachen (Huayna Capac)!

Turn 125, 250 AD: Cornish Cow has grown to size 9.
Turn 125, 250 AD: Sea Horse has grown to size 6.

 

[Doshin]

Good work. Now comes the and the time to say to our score.

Will comment on the save later if you can't continue tonight.

 

[Doshin]

I'd favor this deal, before we perform our civic switch:

Spoiler :

As a reminder, don't move the Galley too far away from the Settler being chopped.

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How many units do we want in the initial Kublai stack? 8 Cuirassiers + 2-4 Horse Archers?