SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid

[Doshin]

I also have to go too, sorry. I am having Easter dinner at a friend's house.

It's fine to take out units from Murcia/Sala, etc. You could use Axemen to garrison if you are worried about happiness issues or stray units. It's probably unnecessary.

Good luck.

 

[Duckweed]

Ready to watch

 

[pomthom]

The Golden Age does not buff or boost research any more than it does GPT. The base commerce increases, which in turn is modified by various buildings.

If you work 10 tiles worth 4 commerce each, for 5 turns in a city with a Library.

Science first:

(40C * 1.25) * 5 = 250B

GA begins, now 10 tiles worth 5 commerce each. Now gold:

(50C * 1) * 4 = 200G

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If you work 10 tiles worth 4 commerce each, for 5 turns.

Gold first:

(40C * 1) * 5 = 200G

GA begins, now science:

(50C * 1.25) * 4 = 250B

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The GA timing is therefore irrelevant. What matters are city improvements (e.g. if you have just whipped multiple Libraries, turn off the slider) flexibility, and trading opportunities.

You're reducing this to commerce output, I'm not talking about that at all

What I'm referring to is the use you make of your treasury, the timing has everything to do with it. Gold is a stock that has no added value until it is spent. If I have the treasury to fund 5 turns of research, it will be spent for that at one point or other: I'll net more beakers if these turns are in a GA than if they're not (your example compares different number of turns invested in research).

The gold generated in the future to fund future turns of research is irrelevant to when we want to invest our stock of treasury. The risk of investing later here is to delay our key objective: researching Democracy. But in any case we will turn the same amount of stock gold into many more beakers.

 

[pomthom]

Ready to watch

Ok our 3 Cuirs have killed 3 LBs in H-N, we'll take it next turn. You sure you want to raze it? With TRs from GLH + improved Sheep + lake tiles I think the city would pay back instantly

 

[Duckweed]

Cons + Demo probably take ~7 turns during GA, so that we need ~2000gin bank to complete. We are able to loot ~500g from KK, plus building wealth. Either way would be close. In fact, 1 or 2 turns slower to Demo have little effect on our plan.

 

[Duckweed]

Ok our 3 Cuirs have killed 3 LBs in H-N, we'll take it next turn. You sure you want to raze it? With TRs from GLH + improved Sheep + lake tiles I think the city would pay back instantly

This city won't take the benefit of GLH, the commerce it gains is probably equal to the cost when it grows to size 2 or 3. Mostly we gain some food for ~30 (edit: should be ~20 turns) turns, about 1 Cui in the end. The problem is that it's too small and grows too slowly to be big enough to contribute.

 

[pomthom]

Cons + Demo probably take ~7 turns during GA, so that we need ~2000gin bank to complete. We are able to loot ~500g from KK, plus building wealth. Either way would be close. In fact, 1 or 2 turns slower to Demo have little effect on our plan.

Yes I agree, I was just explaining what I meant

This city won't take the benefit of GLH, the commerce it gains is probably equal to the cost. Mostly we gain some food for ~30 turns, about 1 Cui in the end. The problem is that it's too small and grows too slowly to be big enough to contribute.

Ok fair enough, pressing end turn

 

[pomthom]

Cancelled Sheep deal with Nappy to demand tribute, he refused... OK.

KK is willing to talk and give Compass + GPT for peace

 

[Duckweed]

Does he has any gpt to be demanded? That's safer than a resource.

You need to send at least an archer to Condar then.

 

[pomthom]

Does he has any gpt to be demanded? That's safer than a resource.

You need to send at least an archer to Condar then.

No he hasn't had GPT for ages, will do

 

[Duckweed]

How poor of Nappy, no gpt and cash for so many turns.

 

[pomthom]

We lost a Combat II Cuir VS the remaining LB in H-N at more than 97% wining odds... anyway, the city is razed.

Do we keep the Cuirs in the area, go take the other Barb city North or send to front?

 

[Duckweed]

Send them to Front. The war with HC needs 3 fork attack.

The other barbarian city might be able to provide us more workers.

 

[pomthom]

^OK


Just to be clear, Crab city is now settled 1S2E of Crab?

Spoiler :

 

[Duckweed]

Yes..

You scare away the worker? The cui should be 1NE on road.

Edit: leave a couple worker in north pole and start the forts. The 1st fort would be 1SE of the crab.

 

[pomthom]

Yes..

You scare away the worker? The cui should be 1NE on road.

Yes that's where I put him now, but there was no road previous turn
(I also thought that the Worker couldn't see the Cuir across the forest + understand I could get to him)

 

[pomthom]

Pressing end turn

 

[pomthom]

After completing Guilds, HC has started on Paper (2 turns).

Nappy has 8 GPT now... however I don't think he'll accept anything if asked as tribute since we already asked something last turn.

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Madrid defense: (he has a Caravel BTW )

 

[Duckweed]

95% chance that Nappy won't forget the demand, just trade the resource for his gpt.

The caravel is not a surprise considering the production in Madrid. As I said, AI will usually start a caravel immediately after having Optics.

9 units in Madrid, I hope that our Cuis are enough.

 

[pomthom]

First Cuir killed the Pikeman without a single scratch