SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid

[Doshin]

I don't know whether I'll play tonight. If I don't, I'll play 2-3 turns tomorrow.

The Spy can revolt Aachen on T145 if we use the Galley:

Spoiler :

T137: on the Fish
T138: Fish ---> Madrid
T139: Madrid. Deposit Spy.
T144: Spy in Aachen
T145: revolt​

It should be quite safe. The Fish is an Ocean tile for Kublai, and we are due to make peace on T138.

 

[Duckweed]

Good thought.

The rest war logistics against is very clear, raze the city west of Barcelona and remember to send 1 unit to threat his last city on T138.

Any other issues?

 

[Doshin]

Mostly finishing the GP plan, which is almost done.

City builds:

Lalibela: build a Spearman.
Thessalonica: I prefer to put the OF into a Market for happiness and to grow onto the Lake tiles.

2 Workers on Sheep to Crab city.
1 Worker on Dye to Crab city.
1 Worker in Constantinople to Plains Forest by RP. This can gradually chop all three: 4 turns per Forest.

Capture 2 Workers with injured Cuirassiers:

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[Duckweed]

I think it's better to capture them next turn since they will try to escape back to Seville this turn. After we capture Seville, they are all in hand.

 

[pomthom]

Plan looks good.

I think it's better to capture them next turn since they will try to escape back to Seville this turn. After we capture Seville, they are all in hand.

Is there a possibility for some of them to flee into neutral neighbour territory? I think I've seen AI workers do that before but I'm not sure

 

[Duckweed]

^Usually that is because the shortest path to their home is blocked.

 

[Doshin]

DH: 459GPP

DH: 459GPP

T136: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Ivory/GH/Rice/Clam, 24F ---> 18F)

T137: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 18F ---> 16F)
T138: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 16F ---> 14F)
T139: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 14F ---> 12F)
T140: (7 * 3) * 3 = +63GPP (work: Lake/Rice/Clam, 12F ---> 7F)
T141: (7 * 3) * 3 = +63GPP (work: Lake/Rice/Clam, 8F ---> 2F)

----> = 801/800GPP @ T142​

BS: 621GPP

T136: (1 * 3) * 3 = +9GPP

T137: (4 * 3) * 3 = +36GPP
T138: (4 * 3) * 3 = +36GPP
T139: (5 * 3) * 3 = +45GPP
T140: (5 * 3) * 3 = +45GPP ----> = 792/800GPP

T141: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP ----> = 846/900GPP
T142: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP ----> = 900/900GPP @ T143​

Co: 127GPP

T136: ((9 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +93 per turn ----> = 220/900GPP
T137: ((9 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +93 per turn ----> = 313/900GPP
T138: ((9 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +93 per turn ----> = 406/900GPP
T139: ((9 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +93 per turn ----> = 499/900GPP
T140: ((8 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +84 per turn ----> = 583/900GPP
T141: ((12 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +120 per turn ----> = 703/900GPP
T142: ((6 * 3) + 4) * 3 = +66 per turn ----> = 769/900GPP

T143: ((6 * 3) + 4) * 3.5 = +77 per turn ----> = 846/900GPP
T144: ((6 * 3) + 4) * 3.5 = +77 per turn ----> = 923/1000GPP
T145: ((6 * 3) + 4) * 3.5 = +77 per turn ----> = 1000/1000GPP @ T146​

CD: 188GPP

T136: 14 * 4 = 56GPP
T137: 14 * 4 = 56GPP
T138: 14 * 4 = 56GPP
T139: 14 * 4 = 56GPP
T140: 14 * 4 = 56GPP ----> = 468/800GPP

T141: 14 * 4 = 56GPP
T142: 14 * 4 = 56GPP ----> = 580/900GPP

Run 4 Scientists

T143: (4 * 3) + 14 = 26 * 4.5 = 117GPP ----> = 697/1000GPP
T144: (4 * 3) + 14 = 26 * 4.5 = 117GPP ----> = 814/1000GPP

Run 5 Scientists

T145: (5 * 3) + 14 = 29 * 4.5 = 130GPP ----> = 944/1000GPP
T146: (5 * 3) + 14 = 29 * 4.5 = 130GPP ----> = 1074/1000GPP
T147: (5 * 3) + 14 = 29 * 4.5 = 130GPP ----> = 1204/1200GPP @ T148​

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:suicide:

Constantinople will starve one pop.

I need to check these numbers, but I want to eat now.

Maybe someone else could check these too?

We will be in Caste/Pacifism from T136 ---> T142, switching into Slavery on T143.

 

[Duckweed]

Looks good to me, 1 pop loss is acceptable. We could then switch to slavery on T143.

Edit: there's the chance that we can start the war with HC on T140, which gives the Parth bonus on T142. Not sure that could save the pop. Anyway, not a big deal as I see.

 

[Doshin]

Slavery on T143, out of Pacifism on T148.

In Constantinople, during Caste System, I prefer to run Merchants, to minimize overlap with the capital's GP generation. Does that sound ok to you all? On T143–45, it will have to run a mixture of Library/Market/Forge/CH specialists.

I won't play tonight, but will begin tomorrow.


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Edit: there's the chance that we can start the war with HC on T140, which gives the Parth bonus on T142. Not sure that could save the pop. Anyway, not a big deal as I see.

I don't think it will. Constantinople has 24F stored. Running 9 specialists loses -5F per turn. Running 8 specialists loses -3F.

If we run 9 specialists for 2 turns (-10F), 8 specialists for 4 turns (-22F), then 9 specialists for 1 turn with the Parthenon (-25F) there is still starvation.

Earlier Parthenon (and I'm still missing 1F)

9 specs = +93 * 2 = 186GPP
8 specs = +84 * 4 = 336GPP
9P spec = +108 = 108GPP

= 630GPP
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vs.

Current Starvation Plan

= 642GPP​

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To save the pop, we'd need to remain in Caste for an additional turn, which means that we will also remain in Pacifism for one more turn than is necessary. It's not a great exchange.

 

[Duckweed]

Slavery on T143, out of Pacifism on T148.

In Constantinople, during Caste System, I prefer to run Merchants, to minimize overlap with the capital's GP generation. Does that sound ok to you all? On T143–45, it will have to run a mixture of Library/Market/Forge/CH specialists.

Fine for me.

I won't play tonight, but will begin tomorrow.

Too tired? I thought it's enough for a couple of turns. Up to you.

 

[Doshin]

Tomorrow. I have spent most of the day organizing GP plans and need to do some RL work. Plus, I am up at 7:00 tomorrow and need my beauty sleep.

 

[Folket]

Plan looks good.

 

[Duckweed]

DH: 459GPP

T136: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP

T137: (8 * 3) * 3 = +72GPP
T138: (8 * 3) * 3 = +72GPP
T139: (8 * 3) * 3 = +72GPP
T140: (8 * 3) * 3 = +72GPP ----> = 801/800GPP @ T141
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This is going to starve 1 pop, as I said before, DH needs 6 turns to produce its GP and That's T142, does not affect the plan for BS.

 

[Doshin]

This is going to starve 1 pop, as I said before, DH needs 6 turns to produce its GP and That's T142, does not affect the plan for BS.

Yes, and thanks. I realized this too last night.

Reworked:

DH: 459GPP

T136: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Ivory/GH/Rice/Clam, 24F ---> 18F)

T137: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 18F ---> 16F)
T138: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 16F ---> 14F)
T139: (6 * 3) * 3 = +54GPP (work: Lake/Dye/Rice/Clam, 14F ---> 12F)
T140: (7 * 3) * 3 = +63GPP (work: Lake/Rice/Clam, 12F ---> 7F)
T141: (7 * 3) * 3 = +63GPP (work: Lake/Rice/Clam, 8F ---> 2F)

----> = 801/800GPP @ T142​

BS could slow its GM by a turn too. I'll see what tiles (good Hamlets/Villages) we can work when I open the game next.

 

[soundjata]

go go Doshin !

 

[Doshin]

Played one turn. No major issues so far.

IBT:

Spoiler :

Will a border pop dislodge this before it pillages? Could someone check?

If so, I'll starve one-pop. Lots of cities are now at the happy cap, and Sheepish has an unhappy citizen. We also have no Workers in the area to immediately improve this.

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The Galley/Spy plan won't work, sadly, because the Fish was a Coastal tile to begin with. I'll rethink it, but don't think we can flip Aachen now.

Vienna just built the Sistine Chapel.

Barb Horse Archers may slow down the Whale city by a turn. I had not realized the defender here (Cornish Cow Cuirassier) had been left with a "go to" order.

 

[Doshin]

Seville:

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Losses:

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[Duckweed]

What's the unit? barbarian? ignore it. Barbarians won't pillage the improvement on neutral tile.

Execute the spy plan there's no harm, if KK's galley comes, let our galley go inside the city, we'll sign peace on T138.

Edit: We should think about our economy now, most of the big capture cities need CHs, for instance, Toledo, Madrid, and Seville, they all need CH before other infrastructures, including granary.

 

[Doshin]

^^^^ I don't want the barb unit to pillage our Silver.

I think the border pop takes place before the AI moves.

 

[Doshin]

Valencia captured and razed without loss. We killed a Longbow and Catapult. 44G for our troubles.

The land is opening up nicely:

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