SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid

[Doshin]

More generally: do we plan to keep Alex alive, to gift cities?

I personally think HC and Nappy alone will suffice. Nappy can take HC's old cities, while HC can take any "bump cities" settled to move Executives. It's highly unlikely we'll settle more than 3.

OTOH, Nappy needs to have one city to talk to us and accept HC's cities. Signing a ceasefire will move our troops out of his culture, so we'd need to make sure this city has < 100 , otherwise the borders will prevent our Cuirassiers reaching the city.

 

[Duckweed]

We can't let Nappy take HC's cities because of the culture we generate. We have to liberate HC's cities to HC.

Warning: We have ~14 turns left to wipe out everyone on the map.

 

[Doshin]

We can't let Nappy take HC's cities because of the culture we generate. We have to liberate HC's cities to HC.

Warning: We have ~14 turns left to wipe out everyone on the map.

Are you sure it works that way with culture and razing? We'd still have (e.g.) ~5% culture in a city, versus 95% of HC's culture, even though Nappy is now the owner. When we recapture it from Nappy, I thought (perhaps I'm wrong) we would be offered the chance to raze again.

 

[Duckweed]

I thought that the razing condition is the culture ratio between the current owner and conqueror. Might be the ratio among the total culture, in that case, you are right. Need test again.

 

[kossin]

HC cities are more easily razed if we gift them to Alex/Napoleon: they will not have any culture and we could raze on the same turn with well placed HAs/Chariots/2 MP units.
The cities will have a majority of HC culture so the raze option shows up (and tested).

We can't let Nappy take HC's cities because of the culture we generate. We have to liberate HC's cities to HC.

Warning: We have ~14 turns left to wipe out everyone on the map.

See above.

For units production, either we get T151 Medicine or we get a few units. Both can't happen at the same time. We could sacrifice some gold for it but research is pretty tight for the next 2 turns.

 

[Duckweed]

I believe we can build units and still get Medicine on T151. What we need is ~2100 bpt and -600gpt for T148 and 149, we could capture 3~4 cities in 3 turns which could offer ~400g to fuel the research on T150.

Building research in our HE is an unbelievable move to me.

 

[Doshin]

We could go into Nationhood after we have finished researching. Many Spanish cities can contribute Muskets for Nappy's border cities. This can be planned on T151, and compared to Bureaucracy gold and Vassalage XP.

 

[kossin]

I believe we can build units and still get Medicine on T151. What we need is ~2100 bpt and -600gpt for T148 and 149, we could capture 3~4 cities in 3 turns which could offer ~400g to fuel the research on T150.

Building research in our HE is an unbelievable move to me.

Ok, let's cut on wealth builds then and add some Cuirassiers.

We could go into Nationhood after we have finished researching. Many Spanish cities can contribute Muskets for Nappy's border cities. This can be planned on T151, and compared to Bureaucracy gold and Vassalage XP.

Possibly... there are still so many variables, let's first get to T151 and we can decide as you suggest.

 

[pomthom]

It can be delayed but let's not forget a WB for the Clams 2N1E of Mainz...

 

[kossin]

There are a few of those.

@soundjata
Want to get started on your turn? Or is WAL too high?

 

[soundjata]

WAL = 0. She's missing

Kids just went to bed so I'll study the save and last 2 pages posts now.

 

[soundjata]

Concerning the "who to give HC cities to?" debate,
I already mentioned only HC is willing to take the offer ATM. So...
It's not a debate

Things look pretty smooth at this stage:
War
BPT to 2100
Bring fogbusters (who you gonna call?) to Alex land.
Try and be sensical with workers action

The important stopping point next will be the turn we reveal Barb Corner (Sushi resource or not)
Then we can definitely plan the last turns right.

Expect EOT in 1h00

 

[kossin]

It's not a debate yet because we're not gifting them away right now.

And we will not be gifting them back to HC but that's a story for later

Also re-add Cuirassier builds at the expense of wealth. See you in an hour

 

[soundjata]

Do we have an estimate of how many culture Nuremberg had before we took it?
I am a little worried at the rate we are producing culture on turn one after revolt: +15 CPT

Edit1: took (and razed) Najran without casualty.

Edit2: Baghdad ditto.

 

[Doshin]

Do you mean Augsberg?

What do the city screens say regarding our cultural % ?

Edit: could you also post a city screen of troops and the situation (troop numbers) around Najran? We need to keep the war momentum going, but also to destroy Alex's stack. Troop management is difficult to balance here.

 

[soundjata]

^ I was about to ask

1. War situation: Alex Stack.
How many cuirs do we want to divert from our main stack in order to crush Alex's?

Spoiler :

Edit:
We now have intelligence on Medina troops:

Spoiler :

These are 3 Xbows on a hill​

2. Culture in Nuremberg.
It's the turn after revolt so there's not much to see.
Doshin maybe you can check your saves and confirm Nuremberg had > 100 culture before we took it?

Spoiler :

 

[kossin]

On T136, Nuremberg had 65% defense (C.Itza), so 100+ culture.

 

[Duckweed]

The war plan has to change (delay) due to Alex's stack, We need to wipe Alex's stack 1st and then send the remaining troops along the original route.

 

[Doshin]

Nuremberg had 65% defenses when I attacked, Augsberg 45%.

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Kill the three Xbows (on the hill) and five Macemen (in the SOD). Then report back?

Use the Cuirassiers inside Mainz first.

In terms of "which troops attack?" , use your judgment, but March Cuirassiers are probably best. They will then have 2&#8211;3 turns to heal: one in neutral territory, and then however long is needed to go to Medina/Mecca.

After enough Catapults are damaged and the Macemen are dead, a Horse Archer should be selected to defend against our Spear.

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We'll need 9 Cuirassiers against Medina to be safe. Might be impossible, unless Flanking damage clears all the Catapults.

 

[soundjata]

Good idea Duckweed.

I was trying to evaluate the number of turns required to wipe Nappy after Alex.
Seems to me everything can be over around T159:
T150: War on Alex is over
T151-T152: Rest and get in place
T153: Take 3 cities.
T154 Move in position
T155: Take 3 cities
T156: Move in position
157
158
159: Take the last 3 cities.

Seems pretty conservative to me
War should not delay the victory date 8D