SGOTM 20 - Civ Geeks United

astre · Sep 16, 2014

yep, agree about the 2 missionoaries (I'll build 3 in fact ^^)

we dont need to build AP in a hindu city in fact, here is the plan

send Xmissionary to a city with lots of forest prechoped (5 is nice, 4 possible)
use GArt from music for GA (keep GC one in case of music failure), swich christian, start AP, build it in 2-3 turns, swich to hindu after AP is built
We don't need to go hindu before given the production speed of AP with chops.

I know it can be done in endor, i can't check now if it can be done somewere else. It just needs a forge, 4-5 forests and lots of production (endor can reach 40 raw hammer during GA, don't know about other cities)

basic PPP:
build 1 trireme and 1 galley in north cities (whiped at t+1)
build 3 miss in christian cities, micro for ASAP whip
build 2 axes for julius
build an army for sully (cats and a bit of fants)
build wealth when not building units/ necessary buildings
take and keep all xcities (for missionary at least), when healed, prepare the HA for a possible attack on nappy from east side

declare julius next turn
accept any demand of help from our allies (declare nappy or vicky)
bribe chirchill for war declare vicky with aestetic & commerce
try to bribe augustus for julius (he seems reluctant)

use 3 spe in GC, whip a market in midgard to turn into GP farm.

If I'm not using endor for AP, use it for missionary farm, let the 2 other cities free to develop.
for hindu holy city, granary/market ?

zbgayumn · Sep 16, 2014

shulec said:
I just realized that it would be nice to have Feudalism to vassal the likes of Napoleon and maybe even to peace vassal Victoria.

Yeah, I have been thinking that, but there's also the issue of the barb holy cities. We don't want them upgraded to Longbows. So, we have to time it right. After/During the wars with JC and Suly we should concentrate on taking more holy cities. Then tech Feudalism and try to vassal the two remaining problem civs.

Then again, Churchill and Louis might turn out to be more effective than the AI usually are at conquering. If either one is eliminated, it makes our job easier.

zbgayumn · Sep 16, 2014

astre said:
send Xmissionary to a city with lots of forest prechoped (5 is nice, 4 possible)
use GArt from music for GA (keep GC one in case of music failure), swich christian, start AP, build it in 2-3 turns, swich to hindu after AP is built
We don't need to go hindu before given the production speed of AP with chops.

I know it can be done in endor, i can't check now if it can be done somewere else. It just needs a forge, 4-5 forests and lots of production (endor can reach 40 raw hammer during GA, don't know about other cities)

It seems like Endor is really the best choice. As shulec said, there's no race to build AP until Vicky gets a religion or someone else gets Theology. We should be fine starting it in ~10 turns, especially considering how quickly we can build it.

astre said:
take and keep all xcities (for missionary at least), when healed, prepare the HA for a possible attack on nappy from east side

I don't think the HA's will be all that dangerous to Nappy. I think a better use for them would be to go back to Jabba's Palace and take a boat ride to the Confucian Island.

astre said:
for hindu holy city, granary/market ?

Given how fast hinduism has been spreading, I think we want the Market ASAP. Granary can come next.

astre · Sep 16, 2014

for market, we need a 4pop whip and granary will enable a faster pop production

zbgayumn · Sep 16, 2014

astre said:
for market, we need a 4pop whip and granary will enable a faster pop production

True, but that's already a high food city. It should pop borders in 1 or 2 turns, and then there will be two fish tiles available. I can't tell for sure if the other one is netted. If not, maybe WB, then Market. With 2 Fish + Cow, that city will grow fast even without the granary.

shulec · Sep 16, 2014

If attacking Julius next turn, don't bother with the axes.

I don't want to hurry the AP. AI will switch to the AP religion preferentially over a non-AP religion. We want AIs to spam Hinduism before we get a Christian AP to decrease the chance of them switching to Christianity.

astre · Sep 16, 2014

in addition to the PPP i posted earlier, here is final micro for my last set : http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Civ_Geeks_United_SG020_AD0075_04.CivBeyondSwordSave
I plan to play up to music in 24 hours (can't play more tonight anyway)
I will stop in case of anything weird.

I kept the axe as i expect us some time before the 5 praetorian stack come to fight.
AP will be in endor. the wealth from endor will help us to get research going but will also hurt our hability to attack sully that soon. That mean the 2 hindu cities will have to do the spreading :/

I also planed to sell this turn coL to sully for 100g, anyone against?

any comment appreciated

zbgayumn · Sep 16, 2014

shulec said:
I don't want to hurry the AP. AI will switch to the AP religion preferentially over a non-AP religion. We want AIs to spam Hinduism before we get a Christian AP to decrease the chance of them switching to Christianity.

It's something like 15 turns before AP is built. We can delay it further, but we want to be able to rush it at the first sign of danger. That means having both religions in the city and a Great Person waiting in the wings. Once we get to that point, we can reassess the situation.

shulec · Sep 16, 2014

I don't like giving Suleiman any techs. Theoretically, if he is going to research CoL, then Feudalism, then we just helped him get longbows.

Will we be able to attack him in the next 10 turns? If not, demand 100 gold.

I would prefer to pre-chop, or pre-mine in Endor and build units. Once an AI with religion gets Theology, then start building the AP. Build another worker if you need to. We are short workers.

zbgayumn · Sep 16, 2014

astre said:
I also planed to sell this turn coL to sully for 100g, anyone against?

any comment appreciated

~~The trade sounds fine.~~ Shulec's idea sounds better.

If we are going through Lit to get to Music, we should starting thinking about where to put National Epic and Heroic Epic. Not sure if we've had enough experience in any one unit to enable HE...

HE should probably be in Death Star. NE is harder to place. Midgar is going to be a sort of GP Farm, but in the longer term Gondor and Caemlyn are better set up with food resources.

Also, did we nail down what do with the GG that is soon to appear? I think we were leaning more toward settling him. Death Star would also be my choice for that.

Noble Zarkon · Sep 16, 2014

shulec said:
I don't like giving Suleiman any techs. Theoretically, if he is going to research CoL, then Feudalism, then we just helped him get longbows.

Will we be able to attack him in the next 10 turns? If not, demand 100 gold.

I would prefer to pre-chop, or pre-mine in Endor and build units. Once an AI with religion gets Theology, then start building the AP. Build another worker if you need to. We are short workers.

Agree with all these points.

shulec · Sep 16, 2014

Play when ready.

astre · Sep 17, 2014

thank you for comments, i will follow them

I think we can wait 10 turns for sully, our army is quite small at this time.
will play in 12 hours.

I intended to put NE in Caemlyn (that's why i started with a library) but maybe midgard is better. We will discuss that for next set.

astre · Sep 17, 2014

request 100 g to sully - sucess
beg 50 to chirchill - sucess
bribe chirchil -vicky war - sucess

build trireme and galley - failed, build 2 galley instead

good news is both galley survive to the barb galley

music GA - sucess
get a GS, not that crappy GP - sucess

julius have fants

failed to take arretium in 1 turn. lost 2 cats and 2 phant for that
good news is that augustus declared so julius is dead meat in few time
we are in position to take antium in 2-3 turns if julius does not attack our stack

bad news, CS and feud are begining to spread. We are ready to attack sully in 3 turns.

I leave the burden to next player, I've already played too much.

save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Civ_Geeks_United_SG020_AD0250_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

log:

Spoiler :

zbgayumn · Sep 17, 2014

Looks like some good work!

Our HA's took a bit of beating over in the Christian cities, but they did their job.

I saw that Vicky got CS and adopted Beauro, but I didn't see that anybody got Feudalism... I can check the save later.

Any idea who Julius is getting Ivory from? Could we demand they stop trading?

astre · Sep 17, 2014

sully?
we are sitting on its iron

zbgayumn · Sep 17, 2014

So, who's going to play?

NobleZ, I'm guessing you will be hard pressed to get through planning and playing before Sunday. Do you want to try?

shulec, are you able to step in?

I'll be unavailable most of the weekend, but should have evenings available next week.

shulec · Sep 17, 2014

I am able to play. If NZ wants a go, he is up and just needs to let me know.

shulec · Sep 18, 2014

It looks like our forces in Julius's lands are a bit thin. We need to focus on Antium for TGL. We need to ask Augustus to attack Neapolis. This could keep Julius's Preats busy. We need to pillage his iron this turn.

Unfortunately, Endor is locked in to building wealth for several turns. There are 90 hammers chopped into the next build. No one has Theology other than Vicky and she does not have a religion, so the AP is not at risk.

Our forces look good for going after Suleiman. We should go after Ankara (near dagobah) and Edirne (the capitol). We need some defensive units to hold off the axes and swords in Bursa and Istanbul if they come after Midgar, Endor or Dagobah. Again, we don't want to waste the stored hammers in Endor. The Courthouse in Midgar needs to be put on hold and build units.

I initially wanted our hammers to go into Feudalism, but CS if fine.

It looks like Napoleon is going to be our big obstacle. We need to feed Louis military techs and hope he vassalized Napolen. We also need to get Christianity spread to Napoleon.

Holy Cities
Dagobah will have to start building galleys once Suleiman is under control.
Our units from Suleiman war can go after Buddhist Holy City, then the Islamic.
Leftovers from Julius war can go after the Confucian Holy City.
Then we go the the barb island east of Confucianland. Presumably this is the Tao or Jewish Holy City, and the other is SE of Christianland.

Noble Zarkon · Sep 18, 2014

Hi, given my impending trip please skip me this time - it's too critical to rush.

Looks like Shulec has it under control anyway

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