Interesting. You think it was random? or which trade you made 1st? or??
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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Bah, we actually need the deer for Size 8 Silver City.
We should trade Crabs to Sitting Bull for Rice.
T85 - Gift Peter Sheep
T91 - Gift Peter Rice
T?? - Gift Peter Fur
We should trade Crabs to Sitting Bull for Rice.
T85 - Gift Peter Sheep
T91 - Gift Peter Rice
T?? - Gift Peter Fur
Hmm, let me think.
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Trade was made 1st, several turns earlier then the stone-pig gift. Not sure if it's random.
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Here is the updated test game.
I didn't put one turn of hammers into a wb in Clams per the original PPP. Since Canal put its OF into a wb instead of the Mids, I just kept building the Mids in Clams instead. Not sure if this missing hammer in a wb affects the PPP.
Profit has a granary in queue in the real game. It is at 26/60 with +4
. We do not want to do this so be sure to switch to a LH so we can 2-pop the granary next turn.
We have more commerce/turn in the real game now that we have TRs with Peter. So keep that in mind; the test game will lag the real game unless we OB with an AI in the test game to simulate the extra foreign TRs.
I didn't put one turn of hammers into a wb in Clams per the original PPP. Since Canal put its OF into a wb instead of the Mids, I just kept building the Mids in Clams instead. Not sure if this missing hammer in a wb affects the PPP.
Profit has a granary in queue in the real game. It is at 26/60 with +4
. We do not want to do this so be sure to switch to a LH so we can 2-pop the granary next turn.We have more commerce/turn in the real game now that we have TRs with Peter. So keep that in mind; the test game will lag the real game unless we OB with an AI in the test game to simulate the extra foreign TRs.
Yep. In the PPP already. Updates in green
What ya'all think of this tradeoff:
2 whip Mids 1t later T95 whip.
Why? What does that buy us? Mostly we save the forest at Cows-1E. We'll get a couple (mostly useless) worker turns.
Less pop in Cows, 1t later Education (which doesn't really matter if Science isn't ready to whip a Uni right away)
But that forest spreads once? or twice? 60g, 120g into Moai or Sankore.
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I think I already talked myself out of it.
I'd rather have Cows at size 9+ working 2+ fur
Ready for some more whipping.
Maybe it needs another farm.
It's size 3.
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Very well played turnset, Mitch!!! Set a high bar for WT. He’ll have to pop copper or gold to compare.... 
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Open Borders was signed T68, so we will get +1 on T93 and +2 on T118.
If we can avoid Border Tension negmods, we might be able to get to Friendly with Sitting Bull T106 if we switch to Confu on T86.
Mainly that means not becoming a Land Target for Sitting Bull.
If 8 of our land tiles are touched by Sitting Bull's land tiles, then he will give the following diplomatic penalties when our culture steals tiles from his cities' big fat crosses: (All the tiles a city has with 10)
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Then SB will be at Pleased T93 and no more chance for demands. Is that what we want?
What does our galley do after warrior dropoff? It could sail into the city T87 and the warrior arrives T90 in Whales which is probably not needed yet.
So save the galley movement and go back south?
So save the galley movement and go back south?
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Yes. The game adds invisible -1 on Emperor.
Is anyone seriously considering Confu before T95? cus that would change all the chops and delay Mids.
I'll stop testing now (lunch) and hope to get a clear answer on this.
There's no doubt Friendly (assuming we have Alpha) would be awesome. But can it wait til 118?
I'll stop testing now (lunch) and hope to get a clear answer on this.
There's no doubt Friendly (assuming we have Alpha) would be awesome. But can it wait til 118?
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Right, but it grows to size 4 in 6 turns. Can we grow on the LH and 2-pop the granary?
I'd like to 2-pop both the granary and lh with OF into the Mids (or Moai which it needs to complete eventually).
EDIT: Per the current plan, Profit provides no fail gold but it could if we delayed the granary (and the LH?). What's more important, fail gold or Profit getting the granary and LH online with 1-pop whips with no OF?
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I've heard about the -1 on hard difficulties, but I don't really see it sometimes.
Here are 5 random games with Buffy 0.05 (Emperor difficulty) loaded from the custom game screen (Not from regenerate map)
1) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
2) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
3) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
4) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +3
5) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +3
Spoiler :
I don't think Sitting Bull is one of the AI that we need +5 to reach Pleased with.
So I think with Open Borders and Confu switch we could be Friendly with Sitting Bull by T106 as long as we don't become a Land Target.
Ya, the Worker stuff gets delayed, but only the 2 Clam Workers are affected if we switch on T86.
Every other Worker is either not affected or can adjust.
Does Sitting Bull settling at Wheat make us a Land target?
Hmm, it looks like no initially.
Spoiler :
But when Poverty Point reaches 100
that would get us an 8th land tile touch our land tile and we would get -1 diplo for being a land target.Spoiler :
Then if we are a Land Target and Sitting Bull's wheat city pops borders at 10
, we would be stealing 4 of his BFC land tiles and we would get -2 diplo border tensions. 
I can't recall if stolen BFC water tiles count for border tensions.
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Huh, Test Game Zara given a free Settler refused to settle it in our lands. 
Here are the recommended blue circle spots in our test game, but they might be affected by hidden resources that are different in the real game, not sure.
Here are the recommended blue circle spots in our test game, but they might be affected by hidden resources that are different in the real game, not sure.
Spoiler :
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Did you include NZ’s -1? That’s why SB requires -5 in our game. What you’re probably seeing with the +3 Pleased is SB giving you a hidden plusmod for being in the bottom half of the power rankings with him. You could easily verify that by “meeting” everyone and looking at the score rankings for your tests.I've heard about the -1 on hard difficulties, but I don't really see it sometimes.
Here are 5 random games with Buffy 0.05 (Emperor difficulty) loaded from the custom game screen (Not from regenerate map)
1) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
2) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
3) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +4
4) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +3
5) Sitting Bull was Pleased at +3
Spoiler :
I don't think Sitting Bull is one of the AI that we need +5 to reach Pleased with.
So I think with Open Borders and Confu switch we could be Friendly with Sitting Bull by T106 as long as we don't become a Land Target.
Ya, the Worker stuff gets delayed, but only the 2 Clam Workers are affected if we switch on T86.
Every other Worker is either not affected or can adjust.
Does Sitting Bull settling at Wheat make us a Land target?
Hmm, it looks like no initially.
Spoiler :
But when Poverty Point reaches 100
Spoiler :
Then when Sitting Bull's wheat city pops borders at 10
Alternatively, there’s no other way of explaining the +4 Pleased.
Here’s Ori’s definitive thread on AI attitudes.
The hidden -1 is called iAttitudeChange and it’s -1 for Noble and above.
We need +12 visible for Friendly with both Peter and SB. Bank it. Final answer.
I think getting Granary and Lighthouse done with 1-pop whips as soon as possible is best.
We need Profit to get Moai done as fast as possible so we can cash it in when we run out of Pyramid fail gold
Only Profit City can complete the Moai Statues since it has our prophet Great Wonder.
That is a good point, let me check!
Does NobleZarkon have the power to give us -1 with Sitting Bull without it showing up with Buffy 3.19.005?
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It shows up on my save for both Peter and SB. Not on your save?????
