[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Mitchum]

What the heck, I just got this pop up! I've never been so careful pushing a button in my life. I made sure my cursor was exactly centered in the city so I wouldn't give the city away to Charlemagne!!

Spoiler :

 

[WastinTime]

PPP - draft
Turn 85 to T95
Last hammers go into Pyramids T94​

Screenshots

Techs
T85 - Currency 100% (323 -58) +88 Currency@13/624
T86 - Currency 100% (265 -58) +90 Currency@119/624
T87 - Currency 100% (207 -57) +85 Currency@228/624
T88 - Currency 100% (150 -60) +100 Currency@331/624
T89 - Currency 100% (98 -60) +99 Currency@452/624 (Note the +8 from missionary whip)
T90 - Currency 50% (38 -19) +47 Currency@572/624
T91 - Paper 0% (19 +34) Paper@ 0+Overflow/936
T92+ - Paper 0% (53 +38) Paper@ 5/936

Workers
Rex - (Worker 1S of Rice)
T85 - T87 Chop forest 1E of Clam City
T88 - Move to forest 2N of Clam City
T89 - T91 Chop forest
T92 - Road 2N1W of Clam City

Shepherd - (Worker 1E of Rice)
T85 - T87 Chop forest 1N of Clam City
T88 - Road 2N1W of Clam City and Stop!
T89 - T90 Road Rice tile 2E1S of Science City
T91 - Road Horse tile 1E of Science City
T92 - Farm 1N1W of Science City

Cowboy - (Worker 1S1W of Silver City)
T85 Pasture Horse 2S of Whale City
T86 - Move to Fur 2S1E of Whale City
T87 - T90 Camp Fur
T91 - T92 Road Fur

Phillip - (Worker 1S of Cow City)
T85 Chop forest (3 are lost due to overflow cap on Lighthouse)
T86 - Move to forest 3N1E of Cow City
T87 - T88 Chop forest
T89 - Chop forest and STOP!
T90 - T91 Move to forest 3N3W of Cow City
T92 - T94 Chop forest (13) into Pyramids

Joan Dark - (Worker on Galley 1N2E of Profit City)
T85 - T86 Chop forest 1E of Cow City
T87 - Finish Road 1N of Cow City
T88 - Move to forest 2N2E of Cow City
T89 - T92 Chop forest
T93 - Move to forest 3N1E of Cow City
T94 - Chop forest to finish Pyramids
​

Heretic - (Worker born in Canal City on T84)
T85 - Move to tundrahillforest 2S1E of Canal City
T86 - T87 Chop Forest
T88 - Chop Forest and Stop!
T89 - Mine foresttundrahill and Stop!
T90 - Chop Forest
T91 - Move to forest 3S2E of Canal City


Cities
Science
T85 - Pyramids (Goes to 371/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T86 - T87 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T88 - 1-pop Whip Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T89 - Pyramids (Goes to 461/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T90 - T91 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T92 - Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2
T93 - Pyramids (Goes to 498/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2

Cows
T85 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Cow, Deer
T86 - Pyramids (Goes to 296/500); Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T87 - T88 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T89 - T90 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm, Coast
T91 - 3-pop Whip Library; Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T92 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer
T93 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T94 - Pyramids (Goes to 500/500); Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm (chop lands)

Canal
T85 - T86 Library, Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Tundraforesthill 2
T87 - Library, Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Tundraforesthill 2
T88 - Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast x2
T89 - Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast x2, Tundraforesthill 2
T90 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam (chop lands)
T91 - Pyramids (Goes to 158/500); Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast
T92 - Dun; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast

Silver
T85 -T86 Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast x2
T87 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Deer
T88 - Pyramids (Goes to 62/500); Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T89 - Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T90 - T91 Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer, Angry Citizen
T92 - Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Coast, Deer, Angry Citizen

Profit
T85 - Granary; Crab, Stone, Whale
T86 - 1-pop Whip Granary; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button ON!)
T87 - T89 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone
T90 - Lighthouse; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button OFF!)
T91 - T92 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone, Whale
T93-T94 - Library
T95 - 2-Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Stone
T96 - LH resolves (after anarchy)
T97 - Moai

Whales
T85 - T87 Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T88 - Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse, Silvermine
T89 - 1-pop Whip workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T90 - Pyramids (Goes to 138/500); Crab, Clam, Horse
T91 - T92 Lighthouse; Crab x2, Clam, Horse

Clam City
T85 - T86 Lighthouse; Clam, Plainsfarm
T87 - Pyramids (Goes to 134/500); Clam, Plainsfarm (2 chops land)
T88 - T89 Lighthouse; Clam x2, Plainsfarm
T90 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Clam x2
T91 - Wealth; Clam x2 (chop lands)
T92 - Pyramids (Goes to 262/500); Clam x2, PhillMine
T93 - 1-pop Whip Workboat; Clam x2 (Sails to Canal City)

Units
Galley 1 (1N2E of Profit City)
T86 Pick up Warrior 3 and sail to Silver City
T87 - Walk Warrior 3 into Silver City from galley and sail back towards Cow City to pick up Confu Missionary
T89 - Sail to 4W3N of Cow City and wait for Confu Missionary

Galley 2
T85+ Explore west

Scout 1 (Near Galley 2)
T85+ - Explore the west with Galley 2

Chariot (South of Sitting Bull's lands)
T85+ scout every corner (edit: that could possibly lead somewhere) Hugging the east shore. Return home.

Warrior 3 (1S of Science City)
T86 Board Galley 1 and sail to Silver City
T87 - Walk off Galley 1 into Silver City
T88 Garrison Silver
T88 - T91 Move to Whale City
T92+ Garrison Whale City

Warrior already in Silver
T87 - T90 Move to Whale City
T91+ Garrison Whale City

Workboat 10 (Born in Cow City on Turn 78)
T88 - Net clams for Clam City

Confucian Missionary 2 (Born in Science City on T89)
T89 - T90 Move to 1S of Cow City
T91 - T92 Move to 2N3W of Cow City
Board Galley and go to Profit to get Marble faster.

Workboat 13 (Born in Whale City on T90)
T90 - Sail to crab 1N2W of Whale City
T91 - Net crab for Whale City

Diplomacy
Espionage on Sitting Bull
If Sitting Bull or Peter demands something, give it to them.
T91+ If Sitting Bull or Peter demand more than 200, tell them NO! ?? Stop and discuss
SB: Cancel Sheep for Rice. Give Crab for Rice.
Give Peter Sheep. When roaded, give Rice.

Every Turn
Check each turn if someone has Alphabet
Check if someone has Currency
Check if Peter will take resources, and gift horse or anything of which we have 2
Note if any Great Scientists were born in the world
Check if Confu spread somewhere
Zoom in on Sitting Bull's cities and look for a Library
Check that and matches before pressing next turn.
Save and the start and end of each turn

Notes
T87 - Watch for Mound City border expansion. Note Rival Worst land area on F9 Demo screen.

Stopping Points
Pyramids is completed by the AI
Meet a new AI
Start of Turn 95 is reached

 

[Kaitzilla]

What the heck, I just got this pop up! I've never been so careful pushing a button in my life. I made sure my cursor was exactly centered in the city so I wouldn't give the city away to Charlemagne!!

Spoiler :

That is crazy!
With 76 Profit City should never get the option to Liberate to another civ.

One-City-Challenge setting must be mucking up the formulas?

Ya, Holy Roman Empire might be somewhat close to Profit City, but all we really know for sure is that they are in our game.
The formulas are too messed up to tell if Charlemagne's capital really is close to Profit City.

 

[WastinTime]

SB maxes out at +3 shared religion.
Not saying we do, but if we took Confu, it take only 20 turns to max that out, right?

 

[MirrorGuard]

What the heck, I just got this pop up! I've never been so careful pushing a button in my life. I made sure my cursor was exactly centered in the city so I wouldn't give the city away to Charlemagne!!

Spoiler :

Did you uncheck advisor pop-up?

 

[Mitchum]

WT puts up his PPP before I've even uploaded. haha You're not anxious, are you?

 

[WastinTime]

Charley, on the other hand. +7 shared religion!

 

[Mitchum]

Did you uncheck advisor pop-up?

I did on my daily computer but I didn't on my old Windows XP machine which I'm using for Civ until I can figure out why my new computer is being flaky. Popups like this are a reason to keep the advisor pop-up I guess. You can get some good information this way.

 

[WastinTime]

WT puts up his PPP before I've even uploaded. haha You're not anxious, are you?

It's just Kait's PPP trimmed.down. But yeah, I think we an keep this moving pretty soon.
Need to think about confu religion switch (anarchy) Maybe after Mids?

 

[Mitchum]

Here is your Session Turn Log from 875 BC to 750 BC:

Spoiler :

Turn 80, 875 BC: You have discovered Civil Service!
Turn 80, 875 BC: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 80, 875 BC: Lady Stoneheart adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 80, 875 BC: Confucianism has spread in Silver.
Turn 80, 875 BC: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.

Turn 82, 825 BC: The borders of Cows have expanded!

Turn 83, 800 BC: Science or has grown to size 6.
Turn 83, 800 BC: Silver will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 83, 800 BC: Whales can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 2ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 16 turns.
Turn 83, 800 BC: Confucianism has spread in Science or.
Turn 83, 800 BC: Silver will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 83, 800 BC: You have trained a Worker in Canal. Work has now begun on a Dun.

Turn 84, 775 BC: Science or can hurry Confucian Monastery for 2⇴ with 37ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 23 turns.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Silver has grown to size 7.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Silver has become unhappy.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Clearing a Forest will create 30 ℤ for Cows.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Cows will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Canal will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Whales will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 84, 775 BC: You have trained a Work Boat in Canal. Work has now begun on a Dun.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Confucianism has spread in Mound City.
Turn 84, 775 BC: Peter has founded Rostov.

Turn 85, 750 BC: Cows has grown to size 5.
Turn 85, 750 BC: Canal has grown to size 4.
Turn 85, 750 BC: Canal can hurry Dun for 1⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 31 turns.
Turn 85, 750 BC: Silver has become happy.
Turn 85, 750 BC: Whales has grown to size 3.
Turn 85, 750 BC: Clams has grown to size 2.

Handing off now. Good luck, WT!

 

[WastinTime]

+2 resource trades is gonna be tough with Peter. We gotta get him a Fur and ?Sheep?

 

[WastinTime]

Handing off now. Good luck, WT!

I await the updated test game

 

[Kaitzilla]

SB maxes out at +3 shared religion.
Not saying we do, but if we took Confu, it take only 20 turns to max that out, right?

Ya, 20 turns to max out.

We are currently +3 Cautious with Sitting Bull.
Normally Pleased is +3 and Friendly is +10, but we have at least one -1 negmod with SB.
Maybe we are -2 and need +5 to get Pleased?

+4 fair trade and +3 religion will not get us to Friendly with Sitting Bull.

We need the +1 Open Borders which we won't get once we close borders.
+1 from giving into SB's demand to change religion might get us to Friendly if Sitting Bull demanded it.

+2 resource trades is gonna be tough with Peter. We gotta get him a Fur and ?Sheep?

We actually have health problems with Silver City trying to get to Size 9.
Might be able to gift sheep to Peter now and trade deer to SB for rice, but I am not sure.
Then gift Peter rice once we hook it up.
We need the Cow on T96 for ourselves.
Fur is everywhere hmm.

 

[WastinTime]

+1 from giving into SB's demand to change religion might get us to Friendly if Sitting Bull demanded it

Oh, yeah, we may have to give in to that demand. Hmm.
I would prefer to get Philo from him since we'll get most everything else from Peter.

 

[WastinTime]

If we get Mono to SB, he should spread confu to Canal if we can wait that long.

 

[WastinTime]

+2 resource trades is gonna be tough with Peter. We gotta get him a Fur and ?Sheep?

Oh, we have not roaded our rice yet.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Turnset Report (T82 to T85)

Continuing turnset report from here.

T82
Dang, it looks like Peter's wb is taking the northern route. He's now at Whales-NW.

Cahokia - 3 pops - 38 +9
Poverty Point - 4 pops - done, finished something worth between 40 and 41
Mound City - 2 pops - 18 +4

Peter: 25 +5

Land Area: 21K (Rival Worst)

T83
We see SB's galley at Poverty Point-2W1N. That is what he finished last turn.
Peter's wb continues to scout the north shore. He'll hit a dead end in 3 turns and then turn around.
I see red culture in the fog in the NW. We should open up a trade network with Peter next turn!
It's going to take the chariot some time to check if a land bridge exists:

Spoiler :

Cahokia - 3 pops - 67 +29 (+9 and a pre-Math chop)
Poverty Point - 4 pops - 7
Mound City - 2 pops - 22 +4

Peter: 30 +5

Land Area: 23K (Rival Worst) - It just went up 2K. What does this mean, LC?

T84
Mysteriously, Peter's wb turned around and went into Whales. Do you think the AI wb's have sight for 6 tiles and he saw the ice blockage ahead?
Our scout has uncovered some of Peter's culture but I don't see a city yet. I see a settler protected by a chariot though.
We can trade resources with Peter. He has nothing to offer but wants stone and fur (he has horse, clam, crab, deer and silver).
The exploring wb is costing us +1 gpt. I'll add it to LC's bill.

Cahokia - 2 pops - Just produced something by whipping. Must be a settler.
Poverty Point - 4 pops - 13
+6Mound City - 1 pop - Just produced something by whipping.

Peter: 35 +5

Land Area: 23K (Rival Worst)

T85
Confucianism has spread to Mound City.
We find out the Charlemagne from the Holy Roman Empire is in the game. The citizens in Canal want to join him.
We now have TRs with 4 of Peter's cities.
SB's galley sailed through Canal and is exploring south.
Peter's wb is headed along our south shore! SB's closest scout is at Cows-2S.

Great Work Mitchum!
You got us a hint about a 3rd civ without giving away a city (game over), connected us with Peter, and avoided a disastrous road connected to Cow City.

Good work on getting 2 Confu spreads too.

 

[WastinTime]

I'm going to fully scout with the chariot.
Our wb will already reach beyond the strait (BtS) on my turnset and spot any wbs on the north shore, so maybe I can catch a wb that sailed south earlier and is now east of SB.

 

[WastinTime]

Good work on getting 2 Confu spreads too

didn't he get us a forest in our National Park too?

 

[MirrorGuard]

Might be able to gift sheep to Peter now and trade deer to SB for rice,

In a custom game I played last week, I had 2 roaded pigs and 1 stone. I traded 1st pig for something and used 2nd pig+ stone for dun-whip-stone-giftp trick. When I pillaged 1 pig, it was the pig trade not the stone-pig gift which got canceled.