[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[LowtherCastle]

I think he switched builds from Harbor, but maybe I made a mistake.

Anyway, it was:

Were you including the 100% Expansionist bonus? I sure wasn’t.

 

[Kaitzilla]

The Longbow has +100% defense total with 10% fortify.

So it would be 9.9 vs. 12 on 1st attack.
19% odds to win

8.7% no damage
15.5% 82 hp
17.5% 64 hp

Odds of bad outcome are 41.7%


With 64 hp, the longbow would be at 3.84/6
With Musket off Galley, it would be 9.9 vs. 9.6

Decent odds.

Injured 7hp Musket and then Galley Chariot would have a good chance of finishing it off perhaps.

Hmmm

24% odds we attack, lose very badly, and the Longbow promotes to City Garrison 3.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Perhaps attacking the Catapult is the better idea. (guaranteed +2xp and promotion)
I'm rather surprised it did not attack since Sitting Bull has high unit courage.

If we get to low hp after killing Cata, the Dog Soldier might pounce.
Might have to cover with the injured Musket if we dip below 5/9hp.

Mesa Verde has pretty high production too.
It might squeeze out a Dog by T156 if SB doesn't switch civics.

Things are getting dicey down there!

 

[Mitchum]

Are we dead certain Moscow doesn’t have a harbor (ie GM is still 1300g)?

Yes. The GM mission is still 1300.

I checked the old saves:
T152 - No Caravel; No Harbor; 38
T153 - Caravel; No Harbor; --
T154 - No Caravel (it must have sailed away); No Harbor (trade mission is still 1300); 31

If Kait predicted that Peter had a Harbor with 46 in it on T149, he's building something other than a Harbor right now. I think we'll have to wait several turns for the harbor. I'm not opposed to waiting one more turn but I'm not sure if it will change anything.

 

[Mitchum]

If we attack SB's cat, we'll likely end up with 72.7 HP. Then we'll have two wounded Muskets that are attacking across a river on T156, 1 healthy muskets and a chariot with no river penalty and two cover muskets attacking from sea.

Another option would be to move our healthy Musket 1W and leave our wounded Musket where it is. This will prevent the cat from entering Mesa Verde IBT and it will give us an option to attack next turn (T155) should we decide to do so or on T156 with 6 units.

Even if SB finishes a Dog, our Muskets and Chariot will have very good odds against it.

 

[Mitchum]

I can play any time. We need votes on:

1. Plan for Mesa Verde
2. GM Trade Mission/Peter Slavery bribe

My votes are:

1. Split muskets to block Cat which gives us options to hit Mesa Verde on T155 or more likely, T156.

2. Wait one turn with a slim chance that Peter finishes his Harbor. Run 0% slider this turn and bribe Peter into Slavery with Education next turn as planned.

 

[WastinTime]

If we attack SB's cat, we'll likely end up with 72.7 HP. Then we'll have two wounded Muskets that are attacking across a river on T156

But we can promote(with built-in heal). I'm fine with your idea too (block the cat with healthy musket moving W), but I don't really wanna see that cat run away.
I vote to kill the cat.

2. agree. wait with 0% slider. Slavery next turn.

 

[LowtherCastle]

1. I lean toward killing the cat, vote present.
2. Wait.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I favor aggression and strangulation

Attack Cat.
Heal with injured Musket. (we can pillage later)
Put our captured musket on the southern mine to reduce Mesa Verde production to 4 instead of the current 7.
If Longbow leaves city to capture it, great!

Then we unload our 2 cover Muskets on T155 and have them attack T156 across the river.
Off the boat is 50% penalty.
Across the river is 25%.


I am in favor of just doing the trade mission now.

If we are going to drag things out forever, how about a Custom House too so we can get 1700?
Or a Super Sized Sushi capital to push it even higher?
It has plenty of health and happiness to grow very large.

 

[WastinTime]

Put our captured on the southern mine

worker. yeah, do that.

have them attack T156 across the river.

1st we attack with the 1 musket that doesn't cross river, right?

Or a Super Sized Sushi capital to push it even higher?

what are the numbers here? what pop gives what return?

 

[Mitchum]

OK, it looks like all are in favor of attacking the Cat, healing the injured musket and covering the mine with our worker. Plan for attack on T156.

I see no harm in waiting just... one... more... turn for the Harbor but I'm also fine just taking the 1300 now, keeping the slider at 100% and researching Military Tradition. We have two votes for waiting but Kait may be about to swing the opinion the other way (even though he was the one arguing to wait for the last several turns ).

 

[Kaitzilla]

1st we attack with the 1 musket that doesn't cross river, right?

Ya, the Musket with no river in the way, then if it does damage the Cover muskets across river and finally our injured muskets if needed.

what are the numbers here? what pop gives what return?

If Moscow gets Harbor, 1500
If our capital gets 12 population 1700
If our capital gets 14 population 1900
If our capital gets 16 population 2100

Move the capital to Silver City?

 

[WastinTime]

keeping the slider at 100% and researching Military Tradition.

nah, what if Peter picks MT?

 

[Mitchum]

Looking at the save, I'm was going to cover the 3 mine at Mesa Verde-S+SE, not the 31 mine at Mesa Verde-S.

Now I'm thinking that I should cover the one at Mesa Verde-S in the hopes that the LB leaves, captures the worker and returns thus losing his fortification bonus.

The benefit of covering the one at Mesa Verde-S+SE is that SB won't take the bait and we'll cut 3 of production thus making the odds of facing another unit in the city lower.

Thoughts?

 

[Mitchum]

nah, what if Peter picks MT?

I thought MT was your suggestion. That's what is in the PPP. What should we research then?

EDIT: MT opens up West Point.

 

[Mitchum]

If Moscow gets Harbor, 1500
If our capital gets 12 population 1700
If our capital gets 14 population 1900
If our capital gets 16 population 2100

Science is at 9 pop with 8/38 and +2/turn. Sushi comes in 2 turns but it will still take quite some time to get to 12 pops. We can't afford to sit at 0% (or 40%?) slider that long, can we?

 

[WastinTime]

If our capital gets 16 population 2100

wow. +800 if we wait. Hmm.
Is Science planning to whip anything after NatPark?
Science w/sushi get's +11 food (working horse n gems) and we can bump that up to around +15.
So maybe T175? we get to 16 pop.

Is this even an option? can we make enough gold at 100% wealth slider to spread sushi and pay for sushi expenses?

 

[WastinTime]

I thought MT was your suggestion. That's what is in the PPP. What should we research then?

EDIT: MT opens up West Point.

I do want MT soon (after Astro) but not if Peter is going to pick it next.
So we do 0% for 1 turn, then 100% Astro if Peter doesn't. (unless Peter does Drama, cus then we'd probably stay at 0% and let him pick again in a couple turns)

 

[Kaitzilla]

nah, what if Peter picks MT?

0% slider on Steel then?
I guess we can wait 1 turn with no slider.

 

[WastinTime]

0% slider on Steel then?

sure.