Red light from me until the PPP is updated with latest stuff... or reasons are given to do otherwise.
I think we're close tho! I'll try to check in every couple hours.
I think we're close tho! I'll try to check in every couple hours.
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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MirrorGuard
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I don't have time to update PPP in the next 12 hours.
ok, thx for keeping us posted on your availability. I'll take a shot at updating it with the latest suggestions.
I assume the green lights were for the PPP and all the suggestions that followed which no one argued with.
I apologize if that is not the case. I'm not trying to dictate.
Then general idea is this: Get as much food converted to hammers while we still can (within reason). Even if the build doesn't do anything (temple), but is required.
I assume the green lights were for the PPP and all the suggestions that followed which no one argued with.
I apologize if that is not the case. I'm not trying to dictate.
Then general idea is this: Get as much food converted to hammers while we still can (within reason). Even if the build doesn't do anything (temple), but is required.
PPP T172-175 v3
T174 After all whips, revolt to caste system+free religion T174,
gamble on Peter completes astronomy T175
Techs
T172 70-ish% steel (just don't finish Steel)
T173 100% steel
T174 anarchy
T175~ 100% physics
Workers
stop all workers near Science every turn in case forest grows and we need to re-task for preserve.
Shepherd
T172-175 move to Fur and road
Heretic, Baitzilla
*T172~T174 build workshop 2W of clams
*T174~T176 build workshop 2W1N
T177~ workshop 1N2E
Rex, Cowboy
T172 move to Sci-2N1W roaded forest
T173 workshop and STOP at Cows-NE tundra
T174 workshop and STOP at Cows-2N
Phillip
T169-173 Preserve Whales' forest
T174 road Deer
T175-181 Preserve Silver's forest
T182+ An ice-mine for silver? and preserve Silver's other forest (for happy)
Joan Dark
T172-173 Preserve Whales' forest
T174 road Deer
T175-181 Preserve Silver's 2W forest
T182+ An ice-mine for silver? and preserve Silver's other forest (for happy)
2 Captured workers
T172~T175 mine
Ivory
T172 unload onto hill with workers
173-175 goto wine-SW
Cities
HE schedule
!!HE complete in any city other than Silver=gg
172 Silver
173 science !! work no engineer or horse
174 anarchy
Any time needed: Silver - temple -> HE (could build it more in Clams first)
Science
T172 - wealth add 1 sci and 1 priest
T173 - HE !! make sure HE is not completed by not working engineer or horse
T175 ~- Observ
Cow-
T172 Harbor
T173 2-whip harbor and replace it by temple
T174 whip temple and anarchy
T175 Harbor
T176~ obs
Canal
T172 aqueduct
T173 3-whip aqueduct
T174 anarchy
T175 obs
T176 obs until gets completed
Silver
T172 HE
T173 harbor
T174 whip temple and take out of queue, whip harbor
T175 obs
T176 temple
T177~ obs
Profit
T172 university, Don't work on stone to get 4pop, maxOF for observ
T173 4-whip uni
T174 anarchy
T175~ obs
*Whales
172 Harbor (70/80)
173 University (15/200)
174 whip university first, then harbor, but take them out of the queue and build a Theater. Optionally: cold-whip that Theater for 2 pop.
A cold whip is still 30 per pop.
T175 obs-
*Clams
172 temple
173 harbor
174 whip bank 1st, then whip harbor & temple (down to size 2)
Sitting Bull War
disarmament and evacuation
*disband 1 chariot in far south
get back all units in SB's territory
injured healer caravel and trireme move to 3S1E of canal
1 0-exp musket move towards tundra hill near SB border to defend wine
Units
Galley (West)
exec's destination: (the one in whales) = Berlin is the execs destination, but he walks from Hamburg, so the Galleon goes to Hamburg.
Caravel 2
Send the exec to HAMBURG. Exec walks to Mecca (carefully)
Galley 1 (cows)
T172 unload musket into 2N2W of canal and go north and pickup last musket
173-174 return thru Canal to the SB evac.
Galley 2
Help some units get back home, but then sail on ahead to get the army to Profit while Galley 1 comes down to finish getting units home from SB.
caravel 1 and trireme
move to 3S1E of canal and heal
spy
T175 steal gold from SB
Diplomacy
As long as Peter is just putting +1
on us.
*Eps to HRE
Peter
!T175 Sci-Method+Economy for astronomy+gold+map+ caste system!
All Russia + France + Arab + German demands will be accepted unless it is for civic switch or a bunch of
All Sitting Bull + HRE demands will be denied
All AI demands will be discussed with team if possible
Check Every Turn
Recordvalues
Did Peter spend more than 1against us? If so adjust slider.
Check the happiness in each city especially the smaller ones. Prevent unhappy face by working extra specialists.
Stop workers near Science every turn.
Stopping Point
Anything unexpected happens
Peter finishes astronomy/beginning of T175 is reached whichever comes 1st.
T173 Peter's research progress slows down. Will discuss with the team
100% complete
T174 After all whips, revolt to caste system+free religion T174,
gamble on Peter completes astronomy T175
Techs
T172 70-ish% steel (just don't finish Steel)
T173 100% steel
T174 anarchy
T175~ 100% physics
Workers
stop all workers near Science every turn in case forest grows and we need to re-task for preserve.
Shepherd
T172-175 move to Fur and road
Heretic, Baitzilla
*T172~T174 build workshop 2W of clams
*T174~T176 build workshop 2W1N
T177~ workshop 1N2E
Rex, Cowboy
T172 move to Sci-2N1W roaded forest
T173 workshop and STOP at Cows-NE tundra
T174 workshop and STOP at Cows-2N
Phillip
T169-173 Preserve Whales' forest
T174 road Deer
T175-181 Preserve Silver's forest
T182+ An ice-mine for silver? and preserve Silver's other forest (for happy)
Joan Dark
T172-173 Preserve Whales' forest
T174 road Deer
T175-181 Preserve Silver's 2W forest
T182+ An ice-mine for silver? and preserve Silver's other forest (for happy)
2 Captured workers
T172~T175 mine
Ivory
T172 unload onto hill with workers
173-175 goto wine-SW
Cities
HE schedule
!!HE complete in any city other than Silver=gg
172 Silver
173 science !! work no engineer or horse
174 anarchy
Any time needed: Silver - temple -> HE (could build it more in Clams first)
Science
T172 - wealth add 1 sci and 1 priest
T173 - HE !! make sure HE is not completed by not working engineer or horse
T175 ~- Observ
Cow-
T172 Harbor
T173 2-whip harbor and replace it by temple
T174 whip temple and anarchy
T175 Harbor
T176~ obs
Canal
T172 aqueduct
T173 3-whip aqueduct
T174 anarchy
T175 obs
T176 obs until gets completed
Silver
T172 HE
T173 harbor
T174 whip temple and take out of queue, whip harbor
T175 obs
T176 temple
T177~ obs
Profit
T172 university, Don't work on stone to get 4pop, maxOF for observ
T173 4-whip uni
T174 anarchy
T175~ obs
*Whales
172 Harbor (70/80)
173 University (15/200)
174 whip university first, then harbor, but take them out of the queue and build a Theater. Optionally: cold-whip that Theater for 2 pop.
A cold whip is still 30 per pop.
T175 obs-
*Clams
172 temple
173 harbor
174 whip bank 1st, then whip harbor & temple (down to size 2)
Sitting Bull War
disarmament and evacuation
*disband 1 chariot in far south
get back all units in SB's territory
injured healer caravel and trireme move to 3S1E of canal
1 0-exp musket move towards tundra hill near SB border to defend wine
Units
Galley (West)
exec's destination: (the one in whales) = Berlin is the execs destination, but he walks from Hamburg, so the Galleon goes to Hamburg.
Caravel 2
Send the exec to HAMBURG. Exec walks to Mecca (carefully)
Galley 1 (cows)
T172 unload musket into 2N2W of canal and go north and pickup last musket
173-174 return thru Canal to the SB evac.
Galley 2
Help some units get back home, but then sail on ahead to get the army to Profit while Galley 1 comes down to finish getting units home from SB.
caravel 1 and trireme
move to 3S1E of canal and heal
spy
T175 steal gold from SB
Diplomacy
As long as Peter is just putting +1
on us.*Eps to HRE
Peter
!T175 Sci-Method+Economy for astronomy+gold+map+ caste system!
All Russia + France + Arab + German demands will be accepted unless it is for civic switch or a bunch of
All Sitting Bull + HRE demands will be denied
All AI demands will be discussed with team if possible
Check Every Turn
Record
valuesDid Peter spend more than 1
against us? If so adjust slider.Check the happiness in each city especially the smaller ones. Prevent unhappy face by working extra specialists.
Stop workers near Science every turn.
Stopping Point
Anything unexpected happens
Peter finishes astronomy/beginning of T175 is reached whichever comes 1st.
T173 Peter's research progress slows down. Will discuss with the team
100% complete
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LowtherCastle
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Like Mitchum I’m too busy to follow the MM in detail. My green light was to not hold MG up when you guys reach consensus.
You’re not dictating, WT. Kait, MG, and you are carrying us. Thanks for the master class.
Carry on!
You’re not dictating, WT. Kait, MG, and you are carrying us. Thanks for the master class.
Carry on!
Bismarck will max out shared war at +4 while at war or +3 while at peace.
We signed open borders with him on T142, so we won't get +2 there until T192.
I think we need to make sure and trade 3 resources to Germany starting T175 to help reach Friendly.
I don't know how close we are to +1 relations from trading 20 techs.
At the appropriate time, we can just start gifting Bismarck lots and lots of techs.
Tying down 5 units like this keeps Cahokia forever at Size 2.
Ya, let's draw down.
Killing Holy Roman Empire is a better way to reduce abstaining votes than keeping Sitting Bull at 2 population.
If the team is happy with farm and bare river tundra hoping for forest growth, I'll accept it.
Overall, the final whips in our game look good.
It should be possible for Cow City to complete 250
Factory and 200 Industrial Park with just natural production.
Clam can do Wall Street + UN in time, Canal can do West Point + Intelligence Agency with the mine, Science can chop Lab, Silver can do Observatory + Drydock + Dun easy enough, and Whale can get Globe + Broadcast Tower
We also need all whips complete before changing civics.
We signed open borders with him on T142, so we won't get +2 there until T192.
I think we need to make sure and trade 3 resources to Germany starting T175 to help reach Friendly.
I don't know how close we are to +1 relations from trading 20 techs.
At the appropriate time, we can just start gifting Bismarck lots and lots of techs.
Maintaining the blockade would require Medic Caravel, Trireme to blockade, 1 muskets on rice, 1 chariot on rice, and 1 Musket blocking the path home for total safety.
Tying down 5 units like this keeps Cahokia forever at Size 2.
Ya, let's draw down.
Killing Holy Roman Empire is a better way to reduce abstaining votes than keeping Sitting Bull at 2 population.
Perhaps complete Harbor T175 and complete Temple T176?
T175 Harbor right?
I still like 2 more cottages for our capital.
If the team is happy with farm and bare river tundra hoping for forest growth, I'll accept it.
Overall, the final whips in our game look good.
It should be possible for Cow City to complete 250
Factory and 200 Industrial Park with just natural production.Clam can do Wall Street + UN in time, Canal can do West Point + Intelligence Agency with the mine, Science can chop Lab, Silver can do Observatory + Drydock + Dun easy enough, and Whale can get Globe + Broadcast Tower
Perhaps make this a more visually prominent reminder?
We also need all whips complete before changing civics.
One final check.
Is our Great Scientist
coming at the appropriate time to help double bulb Electricity complete?Or do we need to speed our 1600GPP up?
Right now it is 13 turns not counting Anarchy to finish up 944/1600GPP.
2*[7*3 + 5] = 52 GPP
1600 - 944 = 656
656 / 52 = 13 turns
656 / 58 = 12 turns
656 / 64 = 11 turns
Physics 6240
Electricity 7020
3400
worth of double bulbing means we need to get the Great Person born by the time we reach 3620/70206240 + 3620 = 9860
9860 / 1.2 = 8217
RAWEven if we work 2 extra specialists in Science City right now, it might not be fast enough.
On T175, we will start on Physics with a max overflow.
We will have Great Person in 9 turns.
8217 / 9 = 913
per turn.Hmm, it might be ok if we work 2 extra specialists right now. (Scientist and Spy/Priest?)
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Mitchum
Deity
Do we have a Dictator Princess in our midst? 
Yes, my green light was for PPP plus changes.
I like cottages in the capital like Kait.
MG, can you let us know when you might play? Good luck!!
Yes, my green light was for PPP plus changes.
I like cottages in the capital like Kait.
MG, can you let us know when you might play? Good luck!!
Since we're turning on research, Science will work 2 more (sci + priest) starting now. making it 11t or 184 with anarchy as worst case.
We should be able to get that to 182 or certainly 183. Either is probably fine, but you're right to bring this up. We will probably want to work many more sci (and no priest/engineer/merch) starting T175. Probably dropping the cottages for a few turns.
We can iron out the details after this mini turnset to 175.
I thought I agreed, but after looking closer,
I really don't like the cottage idea just yet. Let's give it another 10t or so to grow.
Cottage 1f2c = 3c with bureau, hamlet 4-5c, village 7-8c eventually (in ~35 turns tho)
tundra Preserve 1f1h1c + sci = 8-10 immediately.
And I don't want to lose the farm just yet either. if ever.
MirrorGuard
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Thx for updating the PPP for me WT.
I think I just send Rex and Cowboy to build Cows 2N workshop.
I will be back to my computer in about 8 hours. I will start to play then. Sorry for the delay.
A farm is better than a cottage I think. The extra commerce(compared to a farm) a cottage-hamlet-village-town provides =1,2,4,5; with 50% bonus it will be 1.5, 3, 6, 9.5. With 60 turns left, it won't have time to grow into a town. The average extra commerce will be less than 6. Since science is free of happiness/health problem, forest preserve>farm=jungle preserve>cottage.
Noted.
I think I just send Rex and Cowboy to build Cows 2N workshop.
It is on my hard copy. Thx
I will be back to my computer in about 8 hours. I will start to play then. Sorry for the delay.
Rex+Cowboy
I like workshop cows
or maybe tundra-watermills?
I like workshop cows
or maybe tundra-watermills?
Agree. but put a turn on the tundra along the way. I'll update PPP.
you're welcomeThx for updating the PPP for me WT.
I also added this note:
stop all workers near Science every turn in case forest grows and we need to re-task for preserve.
That'd be the ideal thing for Rex and Cowboy to do. Preserve a new BFC Science forest.
stop all workers near Science every turn in case forest grows and we need to re-task for preserve.
That'd be the ideal thing for Rex and Cowboy to do. Preserve a new BFC Science forest.
green light
We could put 2 chops into observatory after the 2N Workshop in Cow City.
Do we want these for factory or IndustrialPark? Or maybe just chop the 4th ring one and leave one for regrowth?
We won't have much time to construct Factory + Industrial Park, but Ironworks should help a lot if we have iron and coal.
Perhaps just chop the 4th ring forest for +20
MirrorGuard
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Turnset report T172~T175
PPP
T172
80% on steel. It has 2 turns to go.
T173
Astronomy(2) for Peter. His 100g disappears though. Hope he won't slow down next turn due to financial deficit.
RepParts(14) for Bismark.
Cahokia has 7h.
Moscow has 52h. None of other cities in the world has more than 50h.
T174
A great engineer is born in HRE.
Peter is 1T away from astronomy.
SB whipped a longbow in Cahokia. Cahokia now has 1 pop.
Moscow has 78h. Vlad has 50h. Bagdad has 61.
Revolt to free religion and caste system.
T175
I have committed a crime! I didn't cancel the tech option I randomly chose at the beginning of T174. The 689 beaker overflow goes into military science and it is irreversible.
Get astronomy+caste system+ world map from Peter for sci-method and economy.
Upload
PPP
T172
80% on steel. It has 2 turns to go.
T173
Astronomy(2) for Peter. His 100g disappears though. Hope he won't slow down next turn due to financial deficit.
RepParts(14) for Bismark.
Cahokia has 7h.
Moscow has 52h. None of other cities in the world has more than 50h.
T174
A great engineer is born in HRE.
Peter is 1T away from astronomy.
SB whipped a longbow in Cahokia. Cahokia now has 1 pop.
Moscow has 78h. Vlad has 50h. Bagdad has 61.
Revolt to free religion and caste system.
T175
I have committed a crime! I didn't cancel the tech option I randomly chose at the beginning of T174. The 689 beaker overflow goes into military science and it is irreversible.
Get astronomy+caste system+ world map from Peter for sci-method and economy.
Upload
Spoiler crime scene log :
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