[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[WastinTime]

....killed the oil plain scout by mistake

That'll will cost us some beakers--late GGs, but at least we get the oil workshop. re-task to finish that one ASAP (without wasting too many worker turns)

Of course, before that, we have to sort out the crash. There can't be too many moves to replay, and you have the save from the beginning of the turn or the autosave, right?

 

[WastinTime]

So put the latest save somewhere safe and open it.
Replay exactly what you did before.
Save
email both saves to the staff.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Both saves have been sent to admins.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

I got your PM thanks, please carry on.

 

[Mitchum]

Normally, the turn a wonder is completed or the turn after depending on the order the AI plays, there could be a lot of fail gold on the table. Should you always take it right away before it disappears? I'm not saying we did the wrong thing by waiting. I'm asking because when I play alone, any time I see 100+ gold I take it no matter what because I'm afraid it will disappear the next turn. Is it possible that it will stay or even go up the following turn?

 

[LowtherCastle]

If we want Peter teching for us, we don’t wait to give him Corp...

 

[Kaitzilla]

Normally, the turn a wonder is completed or the turn after depending on the order the AI plays, there could be a lot of fail gold on the table. Should you always take it right away before it disappears? I'm not saying we did the wrong thing by waiting. I'm asking because when I play alone, any time I see 100+ gold I take it no matter what because I'm afraid it will disappear the next turn. Is it possible that it will stay or even go up the following turn?

It is possible to go up the next turn sure.

The main factor is AI population, turns we have known them, and how much gold we have already gotten from them.

The reasons it vanishes are whipping pop, the AI spending or trading the gold away, or changes in the AI budget.

I thought I understood it based off GhpStage's formulas, but the Anarchy trick isn't working and I don't know why.

If we want Peter teching for us, we don’t wait to give him Corp...

I'd say if Peter is not teching Communism, we should trade him the tech if we have it ya.

Only Chemistry would make me hesitate since we can't defend against Privateers yet.

Both saves have been sent to admins.

Oof, sorry for your troubles Mirrorguard.

All one can do is don't alt-tab out of the game, don't try to load a save while still in the game, and don't have other programs running in the background.

Civ 4 gets progressively harder to run as the hours go by due to a memory leak or somesuch, so saving and starting civ 4 again can make things go smooth again.

Other than those few things, can only hope for the best.

 

[WastinTime]

If we want Peter teching for us, we don’t wait to give him Corp...

I'll wait for 100+ gold to come back. He's only gonna pick Physics anyway, so let's wait til that's closer to being off the table.

 

[WastinTime]

There are several opinions on trading corporation. Does everyone agree we wait for 100+ gold? We already made the huge mistake with the anarchy overflow and lost hundreds of gold there.

 

[WastinTime]

All one can do is don't alt-tab out of the game,

I alt-tab all the time, but I made it a habit to always save before alt+tab. Then a crash doesn't matter.

 

[Mitchum]

There are several opinions on trading corporation. Does everyone agree we wait for 100+ gold? We already made the huge mistake with the anarchy overflow and lost hundreds of gold there.

I'd say any time an AI has 100+ gold on the table we take it, not just Peter. That's a lot of gold to pass up going forward.

 

[Mitchum]

BTW, how did we lose hundreds of gold on the anarchy overflow situation that we didn't know about?

My understanding is that on T0, we picked a tech. The slider was still at 100% but we switched Civics in which case we were getting 0 science and 0 gold. Then, on T1 the OF beakers from T-1 went into a tech. So how are we out 100s of gold? Even if we set research to 0%, we would not have gotten any gold. The beakers went into a tech that we have to research anyway, right? They didn't go into Physics like we would have preferred but they still aren't wasted.

So how did we lose gold?

 

[Kaitzilla]

BTW, how did we lose hundreds of gold on the anarchy overflow situation that we didn't know about?

My understanding is that on T0, we picked a tech. The slider was still at 100% but we switched Civics in which case we were getting 0 science and 0 gold. Then, on T1 the OF beakers from T-1 went into a tech. So how are we out 100s of gold? Even if we set research to 0%, we would not have gotten any gold. The beakers went into a tech that we have to research anyway, right? They didn't go into Physics like we would have preferred but they still aren't wasted.

So how did we lose gold?

If the beakers go into a tech we will never finish, it is like we lost the gold ya.

If we had known about the overflow being ineffective, we would not have spent a bunch of gold to generate it.

There are several opinions on trading corporation. Does everyone agree we wait for 100+ gold? We already made the huge mistake with the anarchy overflow and lost hundreds of gold there.

Oh!
I forgot that Physics would also entice Peter with a free Great Person.

Ok, let's wait for Peter to have gold again before trading away Corporation.

 

[WastinTime]

So how did we lose gold?

adding to what Kait said, we would have run 0% on T172 and T173. (instead of 80% and 100%) Also we would have worked engineers (building wealth) vs scientists. So that's ~500? gold lost.

 

[MirrorGuard]

The beakers went into a tech that we have to research anyway, right? They didn't go into Physics like we would have preferred but they still aren't wasted.

That is where I made the mistake. I thought OF will go into the tech on the turn after anarchy and what I chose at anarchy wouldn't matter. So the OF went into military science...


Now a situation that I never expect is taking place after a chain of mistakes. Now the empire has 573g-175 per turn. Physics requires about 5 turns. There is 1 more sushi exec spread cost.

I was too eager to get the fail gold from Peter. The risk of losing cash and delaying research is greatly underestimated.

 

[WastinTime]

That is where I made the mistake

For the record, it wasn't your mistake. The whole team gets blame for this one. Except LC, he's not paying attention

Cash looks scary, but it should stabilize relatively fast as Silver grows and adds merchants.
We will have to use the HE gold soon to keep our slider up.

 

[WastinTime]

We may need to trade away some of our seafood for 10t. especially if the AI has gpt on the table.

 

[WastinTime]

MG, could you upload the latest, so we can see if there is anything like city MM we can tweak? etc. I'm pretty good at stretching the budget.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Game uploaded.

Reference number: 16499
Game: C-IV SGOTM 26
Your team: Home Slices
Your name: MirrorGuard
Date submitted: 2020-08-25
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 1170AD
Total turns played: 177
Session turns played: 2
Player race: Celt
Firaxis score: 2003
Session time played (hh:mm:ss): 00:38:36
Total time played (hh:mm:ss): 92:52:26
Game status: Incomplete
Submitted save: Home_slices_Save_after_crash.CivBeyondSwordSave
Renamed file: Home_Slices_SG026_AD1170_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

Right click the Renamed File link above to copy it.
You can then paste it into your team post as the download link for the next player.


Here is your Session Turn Log from 1150 AD to 1170 AD:

Turn 175, 1150 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Clams!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Science!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Whales has become healthy.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Charlemagne is the worst enemy of Bismarck.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Peter will trade Astronomy
Turn 175, 1150 AD: You have discovered Astronomy!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Peter adopts Caste System!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Louis XIV has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Peter has 140 gold available for trade.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Charlemagne has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: You are the worst enemy of Sitting Bull, Charlemagne.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Sitting Bull is the worst enemy of Peter.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Charlemagne is the worst enemy of Saladin, Louis XIV, Bismarck.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Saladin will trade Gold, Silk
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Louis XIV will trade Crab, Iron
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Peter will trade Clam
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Will Trade Map: Bismarck, Charlemagne, Louis XIV, Peter, Saladin, Sitting Bull
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Charlemagne, Sitting Bull
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Catapult 3 (Science) (5.00) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 175, 1150 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Your Catapult 3 (Science) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Catapult 4 (Cows) (4.50) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 175, 1150 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Your Catapult 4 (Cows) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Cows will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Canal will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Silver will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Profit will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Whales will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Clams will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Deal Canceled: Peace Treaty (10 Turns) to Bismarck for Peace Treaty (10 Turns)
Turn 175, 1150 AD: You have constructed a Harbor in Cows. Work has now begun on a Observatory.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: You have constructed a Harbor in Clams. Work has now begun on a Bank.
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Saladin has completed Shwedagon Paya!
Turn 175, 1150 AD: Charlemagne has completed Mausoleum of Maussollos!

Turn 176, 1160 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Clams!
Turn 176, 1160 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Science!
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Cows has grown to size 10.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Canal has grown to size 11.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Silver has grown to size 7.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Profit has grown to size 9.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Whales has grown to size 7.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Clams has grown to size 3.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Louis XIV won't trade Crab
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Catapult 4 (Cows) (4.50) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 176, 1160 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Your Catapult 4 (Cows) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Catapult 3 (Science) (5.00) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 176, 1160 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Your Catapult 3 (Science) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Sid's Sushi Co has expanded into Berlin.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Espionage Mission undertaken successfully!
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Upon completing the mission the Spy 1 (Science) has returned safely to Science.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Science will grow to size 13 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Cows will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Canal will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Silver will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Profit will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Whales will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 176, 1160 AD: Clams will grow to size 4 on the next turn.

Turn 177, 1170 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Clams!
Turn 177, 1170 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Science!
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Louis XIV has 100 gold available for trade.
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Charlemagne has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 177, 1170 AD: You are the worst enemy of Sitting Bull, Charlemagne.
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Sitting Bull is the worst enemy of Peter.
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Charlemagne is the worst enemy of Saladin, Louis XIV, Bismarck.
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Louis XIV will trade Iron
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Peter will trade Clam
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Will Trade Map: Bismarck, Charlemagne, Louis XIV, Peter, Saladin, Sitting Bull
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Charlemagne, Sitting Bull
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Chariot 1 (4.40) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 177, 1170 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Sitting Bull's Scout is hit for 40 (0/100HP)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Chariot 1 has defeated Sitting Bull's Scout!
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Your Chariot 1 has destroyed a Scout!
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Lady Stoneheart's Catapult 4 (Cows) (4.50) vs Sitting Bull's Scout (0.37)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 177, 1170 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 177, 1170 AD: Your Catapult 4 (Cows) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!

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[Mitchum]

Ah, I thought the beakers were dumped into a tech that we had to tech anyway. I haven't been paying too much attention to our tech path after the MM beeline. EDIT: And it was not a mistake on your part, MG. It was a misunderstanding by the team about what happened with OF beakers during anarchy. A team mistake! And I include LC in that too.

MG, what is your schedule for playing forward? I assume the PPP is good and that you continue playing on once we've agreed on a) minor MM tweaks to stretch the budget and b) when to cash in on the HE.