[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[LowtherCastle]

See my post above for my MM. No idea if it’s better than KZ’s.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Not sure.
I'll guess we'll just have to play until Turn 12 and get more scouting info before making a decision on what to build after Worker.

My MM is specific to fast Myst + wb (t20). I think I would instead focus on cows wkr t13 (If possible) and slower myst with your plan.

 

[WastinTime]

I think having a 3rd worker is a good idea

Veto

 

[LowtherCastle]

Veto

Wow that was fast! Your only veto of the whole game…

Btw, did you veto the third worker or having a good idea?

MG: You probably already figured this out but we have long had a rule that is rarely used but always available and that is if somebody feels really strongly about something they have the right to veto it unilaterally. It adds a little bit of drama! Of course it doesn’t mean the others can’t pound sense into that person...

...And I suppose one could always veto the veto. That’s never happened. By the way only one per game was a joke.

 

[WastinTime]

Your only veto of the whole game…

Worth it.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Worth it.

Well, KZ makes a good point about maintenance. The exploring wb will likewise cost some bullion. In my plan that cost comes when Myst is done.

By the way, I still have to test it. Didn’t think to download Mitch’s test save.

 

[Mitchum]

Veto

Are you vetoing Kait's suggestion of a third worker, my thinking that's a swell idea, or both? Just curious if this counts as one veto or two.

 

[Mitchum]

My Test #3:
T0: Science on PH with rice and Sheep, build worker. City #2 on PH with Furs and Cow; work plains river tile; build worker. 0% slider
T3: 100% slider; AH in 9 turns, -3 gpt, 27 gold
T8: Switch citizen in city #2 from plains river to cow. Speeds up worker but doesn't slow down AH.
T12: AH done.
T13: Science finishes worker; partial farm on Science-1N
T14: City #2 finishes worker. Both workers pasture.

LC's plan:
T12 AH
T13 gems wkr
T14 cows wkr
T20 Myst + wb
T26 monument

AH and the workers come on the same turns. Mine used binary research while LC used 90% slider for a few turns. I'm not sure if we lose any of the 40% bonus flasks at 90% slider. At this point, I'd say both of these are close enough to each other that I don't care too much.

What was Kait's plan. Did I miss it?

 

[LowtherCastle]

My Test #3:
T0: Science on PH with rice and Sheep, build worker. City #2 on PH with Furs and Cow; work plains river tile; build worker. 0% slider
T3: 100% slider; AH in 9 turns, -3 gpt, 27 gold
T8: Switch citizen in city #2 from plains river to cow. Speeds up worker but doesn't slow down AH.
T12: AH done.
T13: Science finishes worker; partial farm on Science-1N
T14: City #2 finishes worker. Both workers pasture.

LC's plan:
T12 AH
T13 gems wkr
T14 cows wkr
T20 Myst + wb
T26 monument

AH and the workers come on the same turns. Mine used binary research while LC used 90% slider for a few turns. I'm not sure if we lose any of the 40% bonus flasks at 90% slider. At this point, I'd say both of these are close enough to each other that I don't care too much.

What was Kait's plan. Did I miss it?

Kait’s plan was the third worker.

I still need to test this but my realization was if we’re working 12 base beakers per turn instead of 13 @40% bonus, then going from 100 to 90% is a straight trade-off 1b for 1g. In other words, we generate 1bpt less running -2gpt instead of -3gpt. What I forgot to ask you to verify was the -2gpt part.

The reason I did it was to start with 24g instead of 27g, putting +3h into the worker to get the wb done on T20...

 

[WastinTime]

Are you vetoing Kait's suggestion of a third worker, my thinking that's a swell idea, or both? Just curious if this counts as one veto or two.

We can cross this bridge once we have 2 workers.

 

[LowtherCastle]

In other words:

Mitch:
3t x 1bpt = 3b
5t x 18bpt = 90b
4t x 16bpt = 64b, total = 157b, 0b of

LC:
3t x 1bpt = 3b
6t x 18bpt = 108b
3t x 15bpt = 103b, total = 156b

 

[WastinTime]

90% almost always incurs a -1 (something) penalty.

 

[LowtherCastle]

In other words:

Mitch:
3t x 1bpt = 3b
5t x 18bpt = 90b
4t x 16bpt = 64b, total = 157b, 0b of

LC:
3t x 1bpt = 3b
6t x 18bpt = 108b
3t x 15bpt = 103b, total = 156b

I suppose this means you could run 90% on the 12th turn and save your coin and get the exact right number beakers, but I’m not certain.

 

[Mitchum]

I confirmed that 90% nets us -2 gpt. So our output is:

100%: 12 @ -3 gpt for 18 final
90%: 10 @ -2 gpt for 15 final

Sid does some crazy things with math so I can run both tests and see where they end up.

Although, I didn't go all the way through completing a workboot so if LC's plan gets the needed hammers to finish the wb a turn sooner, that may make sense.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I confirmed that 90% nets us -2 gpt. So our output is:

100%: 12 @ -3 gpt for 18 final
90%: 10 @ -2 gpt for 15 final

Sid does some crazy things with math so I can run both tests and see where they end up.

Although, I didn't go all the way through completing a workboot so if LC's plan gets the needed hammers to finish the wb a turn sooner, that may make sense.

The point of finishing the work boot a turn sooner is to start the monument right when we complete mysticism. It gets the monument done a turn sooner expanding the borders a turn sooner…

The alternative is to delay the work butt six turns which also saves us six gold total.

 

[Mitchum]

T9 2-1-1 0 40 90 2-1-1 0 39 15 111 6 90%

@LC There isn't a 2-1-1 tile in Cows... Which tile should I work? We need to work a tile with 1 coin to get AH on T12 but this will throw off the worker and wb completion.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I confirmed that 90% nets us -2 gpt. So our output is:

100%: 12 @ -3 gpt for 18 final
90%: 10 @ -2 gpt for 15 final

Sid does some crazy things with math so I can run both tests and see where they end up.

Although, I didn't go all the way through completing a workboot so if LC's plan gets the needed hammers to finish the wb a turn sooner, that may make sense.

Not sure that’s the right test. I want to know the beakers put into AH at 90% when our two cities are producing 11 coins total. I know 100% yields 16b. If 90% yields 14b, I’m screwed.

 

[LowtherCastle]

T9 2-1-1 0 40 90 2-1-1 0 39 15 111 6 90%

@LC There isn't a 2-1-1 tile in Cows... Which tile should I work? We need to work a tile with 1 coin to get AH on T12 but this will throw off the worker and wb completion.

I meant 2-1-0

 

[Mitchum]

I meant 2-1-0

OK, then the 90% slider ended up costing us 1/turn somewhere because we only have 153 into AH out of 156 on T12.

Sid strikes back!!

 

[Mitchum]

90% almost always incurs a -1 (something) penalty.

Exactly this.