SesnOfWthr
True Believer
One step ahead of you, MB.
See post #2 in our thread.
See post #2 in our thread.
SGOTM3 Rome - Maintenance Thread
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Alanhsmackster
SGOTM
I think the contact rules work well. It offers many tactics, that it will be interesting to discuss in the spoiler.
smackster
SGOTM
Take a look at post 2 in this thread, describes it well.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2005617&postcount=2
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2005617&postcount=2
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
@Mad-Bax, This question splits hairs:
Civ1 opens the diplomatic screen IBT turn X and turn Y; a trade is executed, and war declared. At some point we make contact with Civ2. Are we obligated to declare war on Civ2 on turn X+20 or Y+20?
Civ1 opens the diplomatic screen IBT turn X and turn Y; a trade is executed, and war declared. At some point we make contact with Civ2. Are we obligated to declare war on Civ2 on turn X+20 or Y+20?
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The date you declare war has nothing to do with when you make contact with another civ - except in one particular instance. You declare war on the next civ in your list 20 turns or less after you declared war on the previous civ. The only time the date contact is made is important is if you run out of civs to declare on temporarily and more than 20 turns pass since the last war was declared. In this case you declare on the civ before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.
Example
Opponent..........Contact Turn.........DoW date
Persia----------------35----------------------35
Zulu------------------38----------------------55
Germany-------------38----------------------75 Germany Exterminated on turn 82
America--------------80----------------------82
Japan-----------------104---------------------104
China-----------------115--------------------124
Spain-----------------132--------------------144
As for when the initial contact is made IBT then the later of the two dates applies. I allow this, since you are already disadvantaged from havining to trade IBT.
Example
Opponent..........Contact Turn.........DoW date
Persia----------------35----------------------35
Zulu------------------38----------------------55
Germany-------------38----------------------75 Germany Exterminated on turn 82
America--------------80----------------------82
Japan-----------------104---------------------104
China-----------------115--------------------124
Spain-----------------132--------------------144
As for when the initial contact is made IBT then the later of the two dates applies. I allow this, since you are already disadvantaged from havining to trade IBT.
Interesting question, Scout, but why ask it? 
I was keeping quiet and assuming Y, since that's the first turn when you can actually do anything about fighting the war. You've now given m-b the opportunity to tell us to use X 
I was keeping quiet and assuming Y, since that's the first turn when you can actually do anything about fighting the war. You've now given m-b the opportunity to tell us to use X
The most significant occasion when it's important is the second declaration, which has to happen on or before turn 20 after you contacted the first civ. That's the Zulu date in your example, and Scout is asking whether Pesia's DoW turn is the turn before the IBT when contact was made by Persia or the turn after.mad-bax said:
Mistfit
Deity
There is a 20+ turn lapse between contact with Germany and America so war would have to be declared when the Americans made contact with us
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
microbe said:
Because you wipped out the other civs before you met the Americans... you were free and clear... it was like you had never made contact with anyone until America on turn 82... therefore it starts over, and you have to declare on the FIRST civ you met... then it's 102, 122, 142... so on, and so forth.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
....too simple maybe?mad-bax said:
SesnOfWthr
True Believer
yeah, although this variant is great fun thus far, I'm sure you'll rethink before you make something like this the sponsored variant again.
Too many loopholes and such. Didn't you say you knew a good lawyer to help clarify all of this?
Too many loopholes and such. Didn't you say you knew a good lawyer to help clarify all of this?
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It seemed perfectly simple when I played it. I just made a note of the date each war started, and started another one 20 turns later. What could be simpler? Of course, then you lot get hold of it, and you start picking holes in it, instead of just recognising the intent of the rule and implementing it into your gameplay.
And yes, I do know a good lawyer. Unfortunately I can't afford him.
And yes, I do know a good lawyer. Unfortunately I can't afford him.
akots
Poet
The only problem that might be is: How to count turns?
In C3C it is solved but not in PTW or vanilla. We'll get crazy counting the turns manually. For example, I could never remeber is 4000BC turn 1 or turn 0 (zero)...
@mad-bax: Can you please post a turn with date table in a text or Excel spreadsheet format here? Thanks in advance.
In C3C it is solved but not in PTW or vanilla. We'll get crazy counting the turns manually. For example, I could never remeber is 4000BC turn 1 or turn 0 (zero)...
@mad-bax: Can you please post a turn with date table in a text or Excel spreadsheet format here? Thanks in advance.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
@Akots: Be prepared for 4000 BC to be counted as "Turn Zero". 
@Mad-Bax: if you thought I was looking for a loophole, then you are not the only one who feels his intent has not been understood.
@Mad-Bax: if you thought I was looking for a loophole, then you are not the only one who feels his intent has not been understood.
