SGOTM4 - Team Smackster

[smackster]

Then I guess it was a mistake to buy it, especially with Greece having it, they should be in contact with all but Rome, India and Persia.

EDIT: I just reread Smackster's log and he mentioned both in turn 3. Surprised Smackster missed that!

I certainly missed that one, if only I'd remembered we have the GL, guess I'm not used to playing with it.

Actually maybe this changes all my thoughts on trading to get into the MA. As we don't actually need to research or trade for any of them until Education.

smackster

 

[Wotan]

Actually maybe this changes all my thoughts on trading to get into the MA. As we don't actually need to research or trade for any of them until Education.

smackster

Maybe we need to "help" the others reach Education though, the AI usually goes innovation first (lower half).

 

[dmanakho]

I'd really want to build HG before any MA wonder, if possible...
HG cheaper takes twice as little time to build, and gives more culture than SunTzu and Leo

I might and might not be able to play my turns.
I am leaving for a little vacation friday night and won't be back until monday.
Not sure if i take a laptop with me but even if i do i won't be able to play.

 

[smackster]

Maybe we need to "help" the others reach Education though, the AI usually goes innovation first (lower half).

First questions should be, do we try to get Poly or wait for somebody else to get it. If we buy it, and sell it on we are then in control of who else gets in the MA, and when we get those first three techs. I don't like waiting as we should start researching something else as soon as Republic is in play, and I'd like that to be Theology.

Here is a plan, wait until we have Republic and trade that for Poly (and all their cash). Then start selectively gifting the AI in to MA, seeing what they have, sellling them what they don't etc, until we have all 3 first level techs edit: which means obviously that this has to be done over two turns.

We will just have to hope somebody comes up with Monarchy for HG.

Also agreed that we need to build a couple of our UU.

smackster

 

[smackster]

I'd really want to build HG before any MA wonder, if possible...
HG cheaper takes twice as little time to build, and gives more culture than SunTzu and Leo

I might and might not be able to play my turns.
I am leaving for a little vacation friday night and won't be back until monday.
Not sure if i take a laptop with me but even if i do i won't be able to play.

Agreed that I'd like to get it, but we are not going to research it, better to start on those 2nd level MA techs.

 

[Wotan]

First questions should be, do we try to get Poly or wait for somebody else to get it. If we buy it, and sell it on we are then in control of who else gets in the MA, and when we get those first three techs. I don't like waiting as we should start researching something else as soon as Republic is in play, and I'd like that to be Theology.

Here is a plan, wait until we have Republic and trade that for Poly (and all their cash). Then start selectively gifting the AI in to MA, seeing what they have, sellling them what they don't etc, until we have all 3 first level techs.

We will just have to hope somebody comes up with Monarchy for HG.

Also agreed that we need to build a couple of our UU.

smackster

No objections, sounds like a good plan. Let's follow it.

@Dman: HG is a priority too, as you indicate the culture from it is good.

On the war front: draw some more Indian blood, sack Delhi and take what we can from them in a peace agreement (any cities to be abandoned) Then shift focus to Persia to make them balanced vs. India else they will soon own the whole island. Ultimately they are both to be reduced to zero while leaderfarming off them.

 

[dmanakho]

Agreed that I'd like to get it, but we are not going to research it, better to start on those 2nd level MA techs.

Worst case scenario, use those prebuild shields to build cafedral - has 3 culture points and probably will be ready in one turn...

 

[smackster]

On the war front: draw some more Indian blood, sack Delhi and take what we can from them in a peace agreement (any cities to be abandoned) Then shift focus to Persia to make them balanced vs. India else they will soon own the whole island. Ultimately they are both to be reduced to zero while leaderfarming off them.

We have deals in place for close to 20 turns still (horses), so can't work on Persia until then. Therefore we should not sign anymore deals with Persia from now.

 

[Wotan]

Is it OK, reputation wise for us to settle new location at site "B" on my map before going to war with Persia or should we wait until then for that too?

 

[dmanakho]

Who do we get horses from if we start war with persia?

 

[smackster]

Is it OK, reputation wise for us to settle new location at site "B" on my map before going to war with Persia or should we wait until then for that too?

I'd still like to see the corruption in our new city, in Republic. Assuming this is in the 30% range, then I think we should move that second city. Suggest in the next set of turns, a settler is built for that regard. We have about 17 turns to worry about this, before we lose our horses but its good to plan ahead.

So once we have that new city, with a harbour, giving us both horses and furs, then have a wack at Persia. Should be fun as they have Immortals. We should build some of UU for defence, or kicking of our GA

 

[Wotan]

Who do we get horses from if we start war with persia?

We will have them from the new city built on the "horse tile". We need to rush a harbour and a library there for comms and culture.

 

[dmanakho]

We will have them from the new city built on the "horse tile". We need to rush a harbour and a library there for comms and culture.

Ok, let's do something for better or worse, if it works out great - great, if doesn't we will choose different strategy in next game...
I am in favor of doing this if it brings us more leaders.

 

[Wotan]

OK, 24hrs and no "got it" from DH. The first skip for this reason in the history of our team. I am playing before going to work so Dman can have a go before leaving for his R&R.

 

[Wotan]

Short report, had to stop playing after five turns will do the rest of them at lunchtime. We are in Republic, Delhi is raised as is Calcutta. We have Engineering and Feudalism from the GL, the 4 scientific tribes got them in "pairs". We are currently on Monotheism but at 40 turns (1 scientist) for the time being since I have every confidence the AI will have it soon and the cost is rather prohibitive (10 turns at -65 gold).

 

[Tarkeel]

Wotan: Do we have Monarchy yet for HG? What is culture city building atm?

Also, can you list the exact dates for anarchy? We'll want to set up a sheet for culture prediction soon.

 

[Wotan]

OK, here goes: first of all in reply to Tarkeel's questions. No we do not have Monarchy and Utica is currently building Sun Tzu's. Anarchy in 110AD and since I revolted right away that turns production was in Anarchy, we switched to Republic in 130AD.

First a map:

Turn log

0 – 50AD
Switch Leptis Magna to Settler.

IBT: Two Indian attacks, lost 1 HM to a Swordsman but won unscathed vs. an Archer.

1 – 70AD
Theveste builds Horseman, Numidian Mercenary started. Killed the Indian Swordsman wo losses.

2 – 90AD
Carthage builds Marketplace, Numidian Mercenary started. Leptis Magna builds Settler, starts Worker. Delhi raised.

IBT: Rome found Lutitia.

3 – 110AD
We research Republic, I go to “big picture” and F1 to revolt, 2 turns!!!! So no extra revolt necessary. I rearrange population in all cities to avoid revolts.

4 – 130AD
We are now in Republic! Major trading round to boost us into MA. Persia trades up Poly for Republic, we take all their gold too, 179 but no pt deals. Greece pays 110 gold for Poly and get Engineering. Ottomans pay 12 gold for poly and get Feudalism so that will come from the GL next turn. Germany pay 4 gold for Poly and Currency and get Engineering and we will get that too next turn. Unfortunately no Monotheism so start researching it myself but at 40 turns. Sold Poly to Babylon for 143 gold. We have only parted with Republic to Persia so still have good control over it should someone finish off Monarchy in the next few turns. Calcutta raized.

IBT: Barbarians appear SE of Viroconium so will allow them to wreck havoc among the Romans before restarting Roman war.

5 – 150AD
Leptis Magna builds Worker, then it is abandoned. Rusicade founded, Harbour started.

6 – 170AD
Theveste builds Numidian Mercenary, starts another. Dispersed a Barb.Camp. Rush a Library in Rusicade. Corruption in Sabarath is 33%.

7 – 190AD
Rusicade builds Library, Harbour started. Madras? raised. One HM promotes to Elite. Attack an Indian Archer with Elite Archer and Hanno Appears!!!! Sending him home…

IBT: Indian Archer attacks Archer and our Archer promotes to Elite.

8 – 210AD
Nothing worth mentioning

9 – 230AD
Carthage builds Colosseum, Worker started. Theveste builds Numidian Mercenary, starts another.

IBT: Horseman attacked by Indian Archer survives and is promoted to Elite.

10 – 250AD
Carthage builds Worker, Numidian Mercenary started.

After action report:
I have not moved any units on the Indo-Persian island. The alliance with Persia has but 1 turn to run so maybe we should start moving our forces south in preparation for the war on Persia. Maybe take a peace with India next turn for “all they have”, gold, workers and cities? Especially since we cannot leader farming right now. The leader is next to Utica but I would let Utica build something before we use the leader, hopefully we will be able to trade for Monarchy soon and switch to HG. That would be finished in 7 turns with the current production in Utica, about the same time we can start the war on Persia and restart leader farming.

Trading: not done any in the last turn. Babylon is willing to pay 54 gold for Feudalism, I would take it but leave the decision to the team. Deal with Persia ends in 8 turns, be prepared to attack when it expires.

MMing: Carthage is optimized for gold as it will grow next turn so shields will be no problem. Utica should have a Worker join it to grow to size12, there are two under the leader. Put a citizen on the last mined mountain and it will produce 20 spt!! Rusicade, forest will be chopped next turn, rush a harbour after that? Then build a Barracks/courthouse in either order. Sabarath is just about to finish the courthouse, Barracks next!

Two Numidians en route south, two more in production. Those 4 should be plenty to trigger a GA when we go to war on Rome. I have started the war due to the time it took to get them in position but should happen halfway into next set of turns. The fact that we still lack Monotheism and Monarchy is a concern too, GA without them will not be fun… But I have fed the AI with techs so they should help us out soon, within the next 4-5 turns hopefully so we will be able to build HG manually and then rush a GW with the leader. 4(3?) elites available for leaderfarming when we go to war on Persia.


Firaxis: 380
Culture: 1109 (30/turn)
8 elite attacks/defends : 1 leader

 

[smackster]

Good progress, shame we couldn't get Mono but its just luck, and for the Civ3 teams, they should only get one as they changed that in PTW.

I would hold off giving anymore techs out, unless its for good GPT, and I don't expect to see that until the AI are in Republic. Secondary reason for this is that when somebody does come up with Monarchy I'd like to make sure we have something to trade for it.

We'll have to start pushing the culture in our new city so that we get those furs, I assume they are not in range right?

Also start preparing for war with Persia and this one should be tough as they know where we are Both their spots of iron can be reached in one horse turn right now and I'd recommend getting that first.

 

[smackster]

We may be able to play this whole game beating up on India/Persia and getting leaders from there. After peace with India they will have land to grow again, only for us to reak havoc again later

Now I see the map I remember it a bit, and I think if we look we'll find a path east. So might be able to make some hay over there, with another well timed alliance.

smackster

 

[dmanakho]

Great turn Wotan and one more leader. I suggest we rush Sun Tzu at home, not that it gives us much culture, but it will break cascades for AIs and we will be able to start prebuilding something new right away.
Hopefully monarchy comes soon from somebody...
Now bad news... I am not going to be able to play today , and not until monday when i returned.
I am alone with my 3 years old until my wife comes home at 4pm and then i have 6pm plane to catch.
It will be hard to play and watch a kid at the same time, don't want to make any stupid mistakes .
So Tarkeel please take over and I shall be ready next time around...
Sorry about that.

In overall i think we are doing great and leaders are coming just in time.