SGOTM5 - Team Smackster

looking at the map...
should we also expedite building a Temple in NY..
it has a cow and 2 BG tiles it can benefit from when expanded
 
Wotan said:
After action report:
Research: Chivalry in 1 turn

Still at war with France and Zulu, sorry about this but I felt it was too unsafe to accept Dijon with Barbs nearby. We do not want to lose our gold to marauding barbs.
OK, I'll check the location of that city, if we are about to fight Arabia, no point getting it just to lose it.

Wotan said:
The French learnt feudalism in 440AD and in 450AD Mono was researched and traded among the AI. We need to address this issue now. Do we sell any of them and to whom? Do we want to trade for Republic?
Yes, I'll try to get everything I can, and probably get them all level. That way they are all researching something sensible, and not paying each other for techs. I'd like to see some GPT from them but I'm not hopeful.

Wotan said:
No real MMing done either in the last turn, everything needs to be checked. I wanted to post the save for everyone to see. And it gives Smackster something to do! ;)
I'm quite happy to do 10 turns of preperation. The vast majority of our horses will make the long treck east. Although I'm tempted to upgrade them all, make a quick surge on Spain, take a few cities, move our Knights in, gift one city to Arabia, teleport our Knights to Calcutta (now if only we'd make Karachi our capital), declare war on Arabia, take back the undefended city, and our Knights will be about where they would have been anyway, and we would have taken spain :)

smackster
 
Interesting suggestion.... :hmm:
Use your best judgement...

Western continent should still be a priority because it is much bigger.
We will need dedicate all resources to that one and we would only need handful of units to capture/destroy spain and egypt.
 
smackster said:
(now if only we'd make Karachi our capital)
Hrmm, I guess I agree on that... ;)

smackster said:
The vast majority of our horses will make the long treck east. Although I'm tempted to upgrade them all, make a quick surge on Spain, take a few cities, move our Knights in, gift one city to Arabia, teleport our Knights to Calcutta
They need to move back to calcutta/Bombay for upgrades. I do not believe we have the funds to rush barracks in former America. HM -> Knight is 80gold! And we have 18 HMs = 1440 gold!
 
Wotan said:
Hrmm, I guess I agree on that... ;)

But admit with capital in Karachi we would not be able to take americans out so fast... Calcuta's production rate played a major difference

edit: I didn' tknow we have so many horses already... We may not have not wait to upgrade them all.....Combined arms of knight + horses will do just fine. Armies will also help.
 
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Caveat: There is a BarbCamp just SW of Detroit so we need some protection there fast...

And check all cities for MMing. Several of the American cites are still configured as pre-peace.
 
dmanakho said:
But admit with capital in Karachi we would not be able to take americans out so fast... Calcuta's production rate played a major difference
Yes getting rid of America fast was important. Once Calcutta has gone, hopefully India will put a settler there so that we can get it back, as its still a productive place.

I went back in time last night to see if I could get Washington at the start of dman's turns. 3rd turn washington was ours, I stopped as I didn't want to spoil it. After my turns tonight I'll see how quickly I can get them to Buffalo. My feeling is that if you have a good chance, better to take out the core of their cities, so I would have ignored Atlanta.
 
first look at the map
Should we switch bangalore and karachi to build galleys?
 
smackster said:
Or I'll make sure we have no cash for them.

What is the horse count? What is upgrade 80 gold? or 60
In a post earlier: 18 HMs @ 80 gold = 1440 gold

When I opened the save to get the map I saw that I had started the Workers on the iron on mining. Stop that, since we will disconnect the iron again. And the HM finishing this turn in Delhi will not finish since Chivalry will kick in so maybe shift to Marketplace there. And maybe a Worker in Calcutta.

We need more Galleys too, Dmans suggestion sound OK.
 
Armies, what are they good for, absolutely nothing, yea.

Actually two things, the plan is to arrive in Arabia with whatever I can muster as soon as I can muster it, protected by a knight army. Keep it together and it will not be attacked, right? We can then wander to Mecca, take it and palace jump right away, so that will stop flips, and allow us to start building over there, of course our FP core would get a little corruption boost until we capture our next city, are we ok with this?. The intention is to capture all the rest of their cities, and I'm concerned it will flip if we don't do this.

Second army can be used as an iron buster (not sure if we can pillage with them, so might need to send a Knight), so don't use that army to fight, simply send them south to our next victim to prepare the way for the rest of the troops. That army can then keep going cutting any resources it sees. It would be nice to fight spearmen and archers all the way.
 
Sounds like a good plan...
So it is Smackster tonight and JJ tomorrow
 
The arabian city at less than 5 distance from Mecca will have to be destroyed though. But I like your ideas about how to use the armies. Wo a city it is impossible to load Knights into the army so we will have to ship them with 1 Knight loaded, wait until the first city is ours and then load up. I am not sure the AI will refrain from attacking an army with only one knight loaded though.

And, Calcutta, I am sure you are right Smackster. The Indians will surely put another city there when we vacate it.

And on another topic. GOTM's, I feel the same way as you Smackster. I enjoy the first few hours, up until MA normally. Then it becomes a question of fastest possible time to domination just to get it over with. The alternative cost in time to finish just a few places higher in the game to get a medal isn't that appealing... I am in that position in gotm37 and will probably stop after that game too. Maybe play a few Cotms but probably put PTW on the shelf. SGOTMs opening up to Conquests do play a part in it too. No need to keep playing PTW.
 
do we want to sign RoP with Indians to help them settling on Calcutta's spot... (only drawback if Indians decide to sneak attack us)


Wotan said:
And on another topic. GOTM's, I feel the same way as you Smackster. I enjoy the first few hours, up until MA normally. Then it becomes a question of fastest possible time to domination just to get it over with. The alternative cost in time to finish just a few places higher in the game to get a medal isn't that appealing... I am in that position in gotm37 and will probably stop after that game too. Maybe play a few Cotms but probably put PTW on the shelf. SGOTMs opening up to Conquests do play a part in it too. No need to keep playing PTW.

Don't we all feel the same... That is actually another reason i never have high score in GOTMs... I do play well (I think i do) trough Ancient Ages, but then when i see my game is won, i simply lose interest and not paying attention to the detals with the primary goal to click next turn button as soon as possible.
 
dmanakho said:
do we want to sign RoP with Indians to help them settling on Calcutta's spot... (only drawback if Indians decide to sneak attack us)
No need, the AI is never shy about moving through someones territory with settlers.
 
Wotan said:
The arabian city at less than 5 distance from Mecca will have to be destroyed though. But I like your ideas about how to use the armies. Wo a city it is impossible to load Knights into the army so we will have to ship them with 1 Knight loaded, wait until the first city is ours and then load up. I am not sure the AI will refrain from attacking an army with only one knight loaded though.
I don't want to destroy any city for that reason. I hate RCP and palace exploits, but am aware of them of course. So we should only destroy cities and do palace jumps if they are in our best interests not related to the exploit.

Don't worry I'll ship the army with one Knight and land them somewhere safe, before loading.
 
@Smackster: Just make sure to play early enough... I'd love to have something to read before going to sleep tonight :)
 
smackster said:
I don't want to destroy any city for that reason. I hate RCP and palace exploits, but am aware of them of course. So we should only destroy cities and do palace jumps if they are in our best interests not related to the exploit.
I am not a huge fan of them either. The jump we just made was the first I have ever made. PTW however do require us to "obey the RCP laws" in this game. Having one city at closer range than the ring around the FP and the remaining cities around Mecca is such a high price to pay, I would rather look the other way a last and final time in this game.

I am soo looking forward to playing SCOTMs, since RCP is a terrible feature in PTW.
 
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