SGOTM6 - Xteam

[leif erikson]

We are currently weak versus both Babylon and American, even with England and strong to the rest, if that helps. So far, since making peace with France, no one has even looked in our direction, which has been good. Haven't built any military units except for drafted rifles that I've disbanded as culture builders.

Built 9 towns and have another hour or two before the 1250 AD turn is ready to turn over to WillowBrook, hopefully in the morning but certainly by early evening.

I think over the 5 turns, the average is right on 66 cpt/turn gain. I starting to make mistakes, so it is off to to dream about 20 shields per citizen and per Rifle disbanded and why it takes soooo long to get a University????

I sure hope WillowBrook can average 100 cpt gains in her turn so I don't see this one again. I'm ready to go back to warmongering!!!

 

[WillowBrook]

Know any voodoo? Mine's all out from last year.

Can't help there, but I have another plan. Let's infect their save with a virus that lets us play the Babs in their game. We'll get a ROP, walk all the Bab units into their territory, and take them out in one turn.

@Leif: looking forward to the save!
Edit: but I can make no promises of 100 cptpt.

 

[leif erikson]

@Leif: looking forward to the save!
Edit: but I can make no promises of 100 cptpt.

I have gone as far as I intended to go but, in writing up the After Action Report, came upon some questions that I think we need to discuss and the answers will determine when I pass this on to WillowBrook.

I did not join any workers during my turns, except one by a misclick that I did not use to rush anything, yet! I have completed the 1250AD turn but have rushed only about 40 culture points thus far. We could get to 60 or more if we join workers to some cities. So, the question is, do we want to do this and is it in the spirit of the rules to do so? If so, do you want me to do this or pass it to Willowbrook? How do you feel about it WillowBrook?

Second, I had another thought. Many of our cities are starting to suffer from draft and rush unhappiness. I have built some Aqueducts to allow some of the happier cities to reach size 7 so we can draft Rifles, which are really necessary in inland cities to rush Libraries and Cathedrals. However, most cities may be more useful in prducing Settlers which can be joined to cities to speed pop rushing. There is a built in penalty of 2 citizens to pop rushing settlers, so I think this would be a good way to speed us along. But is it within the spirit of the rules?

 

[Gyathaar]

Mad-bax posted this in the maintainance thread:

As regards joining workers. Joining workers with the specific intention of increasing population to the point where it enables the whipping of a specific improvement is an exploit and not allowed. Joining workers for other reasons is OK though (e.g. increasing a towns pop to size 7 to get the additional defence bonus). Setting a hard and fast rule would only get me into trouble again so I'll leave it like this.

 

[WillowBrook]

Looks like Gyathaar beat me to the quote. Here's my interpretation:

I expect that joining settlers for the purpose of pop-rushing would also be bad (so we should build towns with them). As for our workers, I think if we add no more than one to any given town when a town is a least two turns away from being able to pop the next improvement (after the worker join), that would be fine. Also, for the very unhappy towns, adding workers to turn them into tax collectors would be find, as far as I can tell.

Edit: (I'm not sure if a double post would be appropriate here, but I don't want anyone to accuse us of artificially running up the post count. )

I was looking back on the discussion of the GOTM 39 100k cultural wins, and it looks like Klarius and Jove merged their existing workers for the purpose of drafting and/or pop-rushing, but didn't build any for that purpose. It doesn't appear that this conduct was condemned by the GOTM staff (they both finished in the top ten).

Here's the conversation:
Klarius' first post doesn't mention workers.
Then Jove asks:

-I had 268 workers to join and draft when I really got into it, but never built workers specifically for the purpose of drafting, thinking that was illegal. I really didn’t start joining them until 1140, as there was so much work to do. Maybe I should’ve had more. Would it have been legal to build workers for the sole purpose of drafting?
-I was tempted to move my palace to the Northern Islands to take advantage of the Rank Corruption bug, but thought that too was illegal. Is it?
@Klarius: Did you do these things? (I’m not accusing you of anything, I’m just curious )

And Klarius' less-than-clear reply was:

I jumped the palace into former Roman land so a nice double core.
I used the workers I had and didn't build a single worker after I started merging.
I also don't see a benefit of this. If you draft at size 7 always and have enough food there is no need for merging.

And it appears no one else addressed the issue.

I personally think that merging and drafting or popping existing workers/slaves should be fine, as long as no more workers are built once this starts. But Mad-Bax's interpretation appears to forbid this. And as far as I know, there's no one to appeal the ruling to....

 

[AlanH]

I don't think we can take the conversation between Jove and Klarius as a prcededent. M-B will have his own views on what's legal and what isn't.

Pretty well all our towns are rushing and/or drafting, so M-B's ruling implies that we can't join a worker to a town, and we certainly can't build a worker or a settler with the express intent of joining it in another town that's pop rushing or drafting. The only options, once we've completed railing and irrigation, are for them to lean on their shovels for the rest of the game, or to join towns where we are no longer rushing/drafting, or to be disbanded for 2 shields a piece.

 

[WillowBrook]

maybe this is what team tao has been posting so furiously over. perhaps one of their players did add workers and then pop/draft the cities and they're trying to figure out what to do.

 

[leif erikson]

The only options, once we've completed railing and irrigation, are for them to lean on their shovels for the rest of the game, or to join towns where we are no longer rushing/drafting, or to be disbanded for 2 shields a piece.

There is still plenty of work for them to do in the former French zone, so that is not a real problem. And there are a lot of new towns that will soon be ready to start popping out Libraries and Cathedrals, once they get Temples, of course...

Perhaps I should hand it over to WillowBrook and see if she can find anything I missed, and due to my MM skills, that may be 100 culture points??

We are at a point in the game where Settlers are easy to pop out. I think I've rushed another 11 in the 1250AD turn so far but left some cities to grow to size 7 so we can draft.

EDIT Just to clarify, if the city is size 5, I rushed a Settler, if it was size 6 and could grow to 7, I left it so we could draft. BTW - @WillowBrook, you will fnd a number of cities with Aqueducts or Markets rushed, please feel free to change anything you like to suit what you think you'll need.

I think we'll need to think about what our priorities should be, Aqueducts to get cities to size 7, Markets to keep them happy so we can draft longer; of course, by the time both are built the game should be close to being over, or something else. Cannons are good for 10 shields when disbanded so can be used to hurry Temples along, or perhaps we rush reg Rifles to disband along with the drafted ones. It stinks to have to wait for inland cities to get to size 6 before you can pop a Library or a Cathedral when all you need is 20 shields to get you over that middle hump.

 

[Gyathaar]

size 6? you just need size 4..
rush explorer, rush longbow
wait till size 4, rush library or cathedral...

or with size 2:
rush explorer, rush longbow
disband rifle, and rush library or cath at size 2

 

[DJMGator13]

The only options, once we've completed railing and irrigation, are for them to lean on their shovels for the rest of the game, or to join towns where we are no longer rushing/drafting, or to be disbanded for 2 shields a piece.

Can't we join them to zero growth wealth cities and make taxmen out of them?

 

[AlanH]

We'll be all done in less than 30 turns. I suggest we keep on our current path. Investing in aqueducts and markets is too long term. They would take minimum of 10 turns to build, leaving only about 10 more turns to take any advantage from them. Some turns just are lower in cpt/turn - that's the way it goes. You've created extra settlers this time around, which is good, and we'll make up the culture again during the next sequence.

 

[AlanH]

Can't we join them to zero growth wealth cities and make taxmen out of them?

That was my second option

 

[Mistfit]

lurker's comment: If they are 0 growth how are they going to support a larger population?

I do believe it is illegal to add workers to a starving city.

 

[Gyathaar]

Adding 2 workers to a 0 growth city can mean work a irrigated grass + taxman

 

[AlanH]

It's a moot point if they are all still busy developing France. But there's no point in adding workers to a city that doesn't have food for them, since we've established we can't pop rush them out as shields. Any zero-growth city we added workers to would be one that we've constrained to be so, and could reconfigure to include them to create extra income.

 

[Gyathaar]

If we end up adding workers to cities to get more taxmen.. we should prolly rename them somehow to avoid accidenty poprushing them later? (perhaps add a 'j' infront of the city-name)

 

[Gyathaar]

I did some projections on enddate depending on different rushrates from 1240AD on:

34cptpt: 1405AD
39cptpt: 1400AD
45cptpt: 1395AD
52cptpt: 1390AD
59cptpt: 1385AD
68cptpt: 1380AD
78cptpt: 1375AD

Winning in 1380AD instead of 1385AD seems the most realistic goal to me atm..

 

[DJMGator13]

That was my second option

That's what I get for reading (scanning) at work.

 

[leif erikson]

size 6? you just need size 4..
rush explorer, rush longbow
wait till size 4, rush library or cathedral...

or with size 2:
rush explorer, rush longbow
disband rifle, and rush library or cath at size 2

Yes, I know that now but I didn't when I started! When one doesn't do the intermediate steps, then one waits, as I learned. That's what happens when you have a rookie trying to do this....

Again, please feel free to change whatever you need to speed things up.

Here's the rest of the turn log:

Turn 238 – 1230 AD
267 cities, 29440 culture, 1521 cpt, -70 gpt., Treasury = 6654 gold

Transport Workers to French area. Move Settlers to port.

Drafts from size 7 cities: Willowbrook, Lazy Summer, New Richborough, Qingdao, Carthage, Salamanca, Cataractonium, Poitiers, Beijing, Lyons and New Lugdunum.

Culture Rushing:
Rush a LB in Dalandzadgad for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral with another.
Rush a LB in Grenoble for 2 citizens, rush a Library for 2 citizens.
Rush a Settler in Eboracum for 2 citizens.
Disband a Rifle in Burdigala, rush a Frigate for 2 citizens and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a Frigate in Cataractonium for 3 citizens and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a LB in Utica for 2 citizens, change to Library and disband a Rifle and rush it with 1 citizen.
Rush a LB at Ta-Tu for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and disband a Rifle, and rush it with 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Lyons for 2 citizens and change to Cathedral and rush it with another 2.
Rush a Harbor in Shanghai for 2 citizens.
Rush a Frigate in Tours for 3 citizens and change to Cathedral and rush it for another.
Rush a Settler in Edo for 1 citizen.
Rush a Frigate in Satsuma for 3 citizens, change to Courthouse and rush for 1 citizen and then to Marketplace and rush for another.
Disband a Rifle in Xinjian and rush a Harbor with 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Tolosa for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Tabriz for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and disband a Rifle and then rush it with 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Hangzhou for 2 citizens, rush a rifle for 2 more and change to Marketplace and rush with 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Oil Springs for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in Mauch Chunk for 2 citizens.
Rush a Cannon in Shimonoseki for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a Rifle in Hovd for 2 citizens and then rush a Marketplace with 1 more.
Rush a LB in New Deva 2 for 2 citizens, a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for 1 more.
Disband a rifle in Mohacs 3 to get a Temple during the IBT.
Rush a LB in New Entremont for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and disband a Rifle and whip 1 citizen to complete it.
Rush a worker in Nemausus 3 and change to Temple and rush it with another citizen.
Rush a LB in Leeds for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral, disband a Rifle and rush it for 1 more citizen.
Disband a Rifle in Meptis Magna, rush a frigate for 2 citizens and rush a Cathedral for 1 more.
Rush a LB in Poitiers for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and rush it for 2 more citizens.
Disband Rifle in Rouen, rush a LB for 1 citizen, disband another Rifle in Rouen and rush a Cathedral with 1 citizen.
Disband a Catapult in Marseilles and rush a Temple for 1 citizen.
Rush a Worker for 1 citizen in Segusio 3 and then rush a Temple with another.
Rush a LB for 2 citizens in New Ratae Coritanorum 2 and then a Cathedral for 2 more.
Rush a Harbor for 2 citizens in Camulodunum 2.
Rush a Harbor in Agedincum 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a Temple in Middle of Nowhere for 1 citizen.
Rush a Worker in Lugdunum 3 for 1 citizen and a Temple with another.
Rush a Harbor in Alan’s Cabin for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in New Curovernum 2 for 2 citizens and whip 2 more to rush a Cathedral.
Rush a LB in New Verulamium 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and whip 1 mor citizen to rush a Cathedral.
Rush a Settler in Nemausus for 2 citizens.
Rush a Settler in Choybalsan for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Durocortorum 2 for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Harbor in New Camulodunum 2 for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in New Segusio for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and disband a Rifle, then rush it for 1 citizen.
Rush a Colleseum in New Monguntiacum for 2 citizens, change back to University, still need 80 more shields.
Carthage is quite unhappy, draft unhappiness I assume, and needs a Marketplace. Rush a LB for 1 citizen, change to Rifle and rush for 2 citizens and back to Market and rush 1 more..

Sell Gems to India for 5 gpt.
Sell Ivory to France for 4 gpt.

OK, I think that has it, press enter.

IBT
Carthage Marketplace => Wealth.
Utica Library => Wealth.
Ta-Tu Cathedral => Wealth.
Civil disorder in Lyon but it produces a Cathedral??, set to Wealth and there are 2 content citizens in the city????
Shanghai Harbor => Wealth.
Leptis Magna Cathedral => Wealth.
Tours Cathedral => Wealth.
Edo Settler => Wealth.
Satsuma Marketplace => Wealth.
Marseilles Temple => Wealth.
Xinjian Harbor => Wealth.
Tabriz Cathedral = Wealth.
Hangzhou Marketplace => Wealth.
Oil Springs Settler => Wealth.
Rouen Cathedral => Wealth.
Mauch Chunk Harbor => Wealth.
Shimonoseki Cathedral => Wealth.
Hovd Marketplace => Wealth.
Grenoble Library => Wealth.
Eboracum Settler => Wealth.
Burdigala Cathedral => Wealth.
Cataractonium Cathedral => Wealth.
Tolosa Settler => Wealth.
The resistance in Cherborg has ended – GOOD!
Dalandzadgad Cathedral => Wealth.
Poitiers Cathedral => Wealth.
Nemausus Settler => Wealth.
Choybalsan Settler => Wealth.
Leeds Cathedral => Wealth.
Durocortorum Cathedral => Wealth.
Camulodunum 2 Harbor => Wealth.
New Segusio Cathedral => Wealth.
Agedincum 2 Harbor => Wealth.
Alan’s Cabin Harbor => Wealth.
Middle of Nowhere Temple => Wealth.
New Entremont 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Camulodunum 2 Harbor => Wealth.
New Verulamium 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Ratae Coritanorum 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Curovernum 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Deva 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
Mohacs 3 Temple => Wealth.
Lugdunum 3 Temple => Wealth.
Nemausus 3 Temple => Wealth.
Segusio 3 Temple => Wealth.

Turn 239 – 1240 AD
Cities 267, Culture 31049, 1609 cpt, -102 gpt, 6558 Gold in Treasury.

Found Mountain Hideaway, New Lugdunum 3, New Camulodunum 3, New Richborough 3 and Jungle Paradise, start a Temple.

Locate size 7 cities and draft Rifles in: Qingdao, Beijing, New Richborough, Agedincum, Salamanca, Willowbrook and Lazy Summer.

Culture Rushing:
Rush a LB in Liverpool for 2 citizens, change to Cathedral and disband a Rifle and then rush the Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Set New Curovernum to Cathedral and disband a Rifle, change to Frigate and rush it for 2 citizens and then back to Cathedral and rush for 1 more citizen.
Rush a LB in New Lapurdum 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in New Lindum 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in New Nemausus 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Library for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in New Isca 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Library for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in New Segusio 2 for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a LB in New Rutupiae 2 for 2 citizens, rush a frigate for 1 citizen and rush a Library for another.
Rush a LB in New Axima 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Library for 1 citizen.
Rush a Harbor in Hakodate for 2 citizens.
Rush a Worker in Lindum 3 for 1 citizen and a Temple for another.
Rush a Temple in Rutupiae 3 for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Niagra Falls for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in New Agedincum 2 for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Kagoshima for 2 citizens.
Rush a Settler in Nagoya for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Besancon for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Leptis Minor for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Matsuyama for 2 citizens, a Rifle for 2 more and an Aqueduct for another.
Disband a Cannon in Grenoble and rush a Temple for 1 citizen.
Rusha Settler in Akwesasne for 2 citizens.
Disband Cannon in Jonkoping and rush a Temple for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Cherbourg for 2 citizens, a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Library for 1 more citizen.
Rush a LB in Arausio for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a Settler in Durocortorum for 2 citizens.
Rush a Frigate in Fukushima for 2 citizens and a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in New Augustodurum for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in New Agedinicum for 2 citizens, change back to Cathedral.
Rush a LB in Pristine Peaks for 2 citizens and rush a Cathedral for 2 more.
Rush a Settler in Ratae Coritanorum 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Monguntiacum 2 for 2 citizens, rush a Frigate for 1 citizen and a Cathedral for another.
Rush a Settler in Glevum 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Lezoux 2 for 2 citizens, a Frigate for another and a Library with 1 more.

Culture doubling seems to have begun. I was looking in the Culture Advisor screen and noticed the city of Guangzhou had a culture rating of 7, which wasn’t a number I expected. I checked the city screen and next to Temple there are 4 notes, so it must have doubled?

Visiting France, they desire some of our fune wines so I sell them to them for 4 gpt. They would also like some of the Gems we acquired from them for 4 more gpt, so we make the deal. Seems they like furs too, so we sell them some for, you guessed it, 4 gpt.
The others do not desire our fine goods, or have them already.

IBT
Order restored in Lyon, although I never did figure out what that was about????
Niagra Falls Settler => Wealth.
New Agedincum 2 Harbor => Wealth.
Kagoshima Settler => Wealth.
Nagoya Settler => Wealth.
Besancon Cathedral => Wealth.
Leptis Minor Cathedral => Wealth.
Matsuyama Aqueduct => Wealth.
Grenoble Temple => Wealth.
Akwesasne Settler => Wealth.
Jonkoping Temple => Wealth.
Cherbourg Library => Wealth.
Liverpool Cathedral => Wealth.
Hakodate Harbor => Wealth.
Arausio Cathedral => Wealth.
Durocortorum Settler => Wealth.
New Curovernum Cathedral => Wealth.
Fukushima Cathedral => Wealth.
New Augustodurum Settler => Wealth.
Pristine Peaks Cathedral => Wealth.
Ratae Coritanorum 2 Settler => Wealth.
Monguntiacum 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
Glevum 2 Settler => Wealth.
Lezoux 2 Library => Wealth.
New Lapurdum 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Lindum 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Nemausus 2 Library => Wealth.
New Isca 2 Library => Wealth.
New Segusio 2 Cathedral => Wealth.
New Rutupiae 2 Library => Wealth.
New Axima 2 Library => Wealth.
Lindum 3 Temple => Wealth.
Rutupiae 3 Temple => Wealth.

Turn 240 – 1250 AD
272 cities, 32717 culture, 1668 cpt, -115 gpt, 6440 Gold in Treasury

Found the town of New Verulamium 3, New Augustodurum 3, New Eboracum 3, New Burdigala 3, New Cataractonium 3, New Lapurdum 3, New Ratae Coritanorum 3, New Agedincum 3 and New Gergovia 3, start a Temple.

Time to find size 7 cities to draft from: Salamanca, Beijing, Qingdao, Agedincum, New Lugdunum, New Richborough, Willowbrook, Lazy Summer and Glanum 2.

Culture rushes:
Rush a LB in Centralia for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Sapporo for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Skier’s Heaven for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Kaifeng for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in Lindum for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Caughnawaga for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Glevum for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in New Entremont for 2 citizens and rush a Cathedral for 2 more.
Ruah a Settler in New Verulamium for 2 citizens.
Disband a Rifle in New Agedincum and rush a Catheral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Harbor in New Burigala for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in Resort Gyathaar for 2 citizens.
Rush a Settler in New Ratae Coritanorum for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in New Tolosa for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in New Isca for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Police Station in New Monguntiacum for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a University for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in New Axima for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Filnton for 2 citizens and rush a Library for 2 more.
Rush a LB in Something easy to spell for 2 citizens, rush a Rifle for 2 more and rush a Aqueduct for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Tempus Novum for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in New Durocortorum for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Cathedral for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Entremont 2 for 2 citizens, disband a Rifle and rush a Catheral for 1 citizen.
Rush a Settler in Lugdunum 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a LB in Mountain Meadow for 2 citizens, a Rifle for 2 more and an Aqueduct for another.
Rush a LB in Bay View for 2 citizens, a Rifle for 2 more and an Aqueduct for another.
Lazy Summer is now very Draft unhappy, so we need to rush a Marketplace. Set production to Market and hire a taxman for a turn.
Rush a LB in Fine Waters for 2 citizens, a Rifle for 2 more and a Market for another.
Rush a LB in Nemausus 2 for 1 citizen, disband a Rifle and rush a Library for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB in Axima 2 for 2 citizens and a Cathedral for another 2.
Rush a Settler in New Richborough 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in New Augustodurum 2 for 2 citizens.
Rush a Worker in Tolosa 3 for 1 citizen and a Temple with another.
Rush a Settler for 2 citizens in Allegheny.
Rush a Worker in Tonawanda for 1 citizen and, oops, screwed up. Have to wait to rush a Harbor.
Rush a Temple in Augustodurum 3 for 1 citizen.
Rush a LB on Salamanca for 2 citizens, a Rifle for 2 more and a Marketplace for another.
Rush a Settler in Entremont for 2 citizens.
Rush a Harbor in Guangzhou for 2 citizens.

After Action Report:
There are only about 40 culture points per turn increase in the turn thus far. Most new cities are not ready yet and other cities require a Rifle to complete the rush because there is nothing to rush. Coastal cities can use ship builds but inland cities cannot and I ran out of Rifles. There is a stack of workers near Glevum 2 unmoved as there isn’t shipping needed to move them to France as I used it for Settlers and I didn’t want to tie them up on you chopping jungle. There are also some workers and a Settler in Xi’an awaiting transport, along with 1 Galleon. But there are also a number of Settler builds that will complete on the interturn.

I did not use the joining of workers to complete rushes as I thought, from our discussion, we weren’t doing this. However, if we decide join workers to cities; Lindum 2 can build a Cathedral with 3 workers, Brest can build a Cathedral with 2 workers, Hadrumeten can build a Cathedral with 3 workers and a disbanded Warrior, Rutupiae could build a Cathedral with 2 workers and a disbanded unit, Cadiz could build a Library with 2 workers and there are other examples. I think we need to join workers to complete builds in order to keep the culture race going at our desired speed.

We are currently at –140 gpt with 6440 Gold in the Treasury, a comfortable amount for the time being. France will give us 4 gpt for some more lux if we trade with them. Other deals will come up in the next 5 turns:
America for 17 gpt for silks in 4 turns and ROP for 2 gpt in 5 turns.
Babylon for 24 gpt for incense next turn.
Vikings for 15 gpt for spices and dyes in 4 turns.
Carthage for ROP in 5 turns, they won’t purchase anything.
India 23 for 23 gpt for furs, incense, spices and wool in 6 turns.

Electicity is due in 9 turns and I sent some workers down to the south to rail around the Lindum 2 and Mountain Hideaway area to prepare for irrigation.

The score curve is also taking an interesting twist, have a look.

Good luck and keep the culture coming. Good luck...

Don't forget the SAVE

 

[AlanH]

1380 AD or 1385 AD - either would be a good date IMHO. I can't see Peanut finishing by then. They are at 84,000 now, and have 7 turns to go before 1385 AD. They would need to change up a gear from about 1400cpt to over 2000cpt. It's not going to happen. My guess is they'll finish in 1400 AD earliest.

Peanut are the current competition, BTW, no point in nuking tao. The dark horses are Row and Live and Ivan. They both still have time to switch on a high cpt rate, and both would launch from a higher culture baseline than we had when we started.