SGOTM7 - Team Bede

[Tubby Rower]

We need to get that pre-build up soon. The AI only have to accumulate 60% of the shields that we do and GL is going to be a key wonder in this game along with Sun Tsu's

xpost: Good job, MP. Archers are pretty cheap and can be recovered later. We just have to be smart with them. Personally I'd leave the prebuild where it i and let it come in when it comes in.

 

[Tubby Rower]

There looks to be a crossing between islands in the NE if we want to persue other civs. We might need to get the seafaring civs in war build up mode in order to distract them from the GL.

 

[killercane]

Can we get the fortified spear to kill that 1 hp barb and explore east of the BG? We might need to get ready for the yellowcoats and perhaps modify our placement of a city over there. Boy a chokepoint would be fantastic.

-Looking to the future I dont see any mountain/hill insertion points onto the indian landmass.

 

[Tubby Rower]

The spear would be the same as having a warrior try to take it on. I think that it's worth the risk.

Also why are we doing a min run on Writing. That needs to be burning it's way to lit correct?? I'm not sure about this but I think that it's something worth increasing especially since we have 111 in the bank and are running a positive cash flow. If you bump it up to 80% (due to the 20% lux) we'll be dropping 14 bpt in the bucket instead of just 2. Please change this....

Roster:
edlar
killercane
Meteor - just played
Bede - venerably up
Admiral K - on deck & just back from the idiot convention in TR04
soul_warrior

 

[killercane]

14 beakers per wont get you there any faster on deity if no one else has writing. You need roughly 18-20 per. You are right that we should check writing's status often however to see if we can get it in sooner, ie someone else gets it/we are able to generate more science. As of right now however, we have no granary and not enough cities to generate much more science.

The newly founded city would easily support a few scientists in a little while with those floodplains. However, getting to lit quickly isnt necessarily imperative, as our palace prebuild must accumulate 400 shields as well. Lit can be turned up to max when we get there. I think we're fine.

 

[soul_warrior]

tough break on the barbie dolls MP, but like tubby said - no biggie.

also by tubby - more beakers in, please. i would hate it if we lost it by a turn or something. (how long is the ETA in Edrine on the Lib anyway? maybe we DONT need to up rearch?

about that spear killing barbs... with the recent streak of "great" luck i would wait for a nother archer.

 

[eldar]

Agree with needing more beakers.
We have, what, 30 in the bucket now? We might've had over 100, not to be sniffed at.

[Edit] Writing in 16 @ 80%. In 38 otherwise. Suggests it would've been less than 50 to start with. Indeed the Zulus know it.

 

[MeteorPunch]

[Edit] Writing in 16 @ 80%. In 38 otherwise. Suggests it would've been less than 50 to start with. Indeed the Zulus know it.

wow, I never checked. my bad.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Just got home. and oh crap. Not from any gameplay rather from the lay of the land.

I skimmed through the posts and one thing strikes me - the team appears to be thinking very conventionally. this is AWD, things are going to get nasty very quickly. We're going to get incoming Impi very quickly. A worker farm is not going to have utility unless we can generate 2 spears every 4 turns to escort the settler.

 

[killercane]

Civ Assist II says the Zulu have writing, estimated cost 246 so we should be able to get it quite a bit sooner. Turning up science would probably work out well. Lit is estimated at 333 right now.

Edit: crossposted my bad. AK is right, the Zulus have writing, Maps are not far behind as they'll zoom right for that. We need to get that city down and military it up for a bit. We really need to know if we're connected to the Zulu landmass so exploration east of BG is needed.

 

[killercane]

And MP I take full responsibility for setting the min to writing. Nothings hurt too bad however, since @ 2550 we had writing @ 27 turns +1 gpt, and now that Tubby and Eldar put everyone on the fast track we're to it in 16.

The Zulu do very much worry me; Impi, archers and maybe horses are not so good. If they're on our landmass we're gonna have a hard time balancing the fight with them and defending our workers from barbs while we improve Erdrine.

 

[eldar]

If the Zulu were on our continent, they'd have paid us a visit by now, surely? Given we met in 3750BC and traded them BW.

 

[killercane]

Well I would think but I do hate surprises. M-B is a crazy guy judging from his other maps.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

@ all - suggestion - check out HNDY14. AWD is a little weird. The AI will ignore spears on mountains and move around them to attack cities from grassland rather than dislodge the spear and attack from the mountain. IMIO, tis better to be tactially smart than conventionally playing.

We need math. of course we will need to conduct experiments to determine if it is better to throw stones or shamen...

 

[MeteorPunch]

It may depend on how soon map making is discovered. If they land 2 Impi at a time, that can be tough to kill with archer. We may need some catapults. Of course by the itme the Impi land, we'll probably be getting visits by all sorts of other civs invasion forces . Some horses and iron would be nice to find, if we have those techs.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

forgive the double post, but the more I look at the map screenies, the more I'm convinced the big bulb will have no utility in this game.

 

[killercane]

I would think a philo run is out, no?

Edit: We've gone through 30 something posts in the last 5 hours since Bede was last on here and 2 turnsets, maybe we should hold off on going any farther for now for some discusson? On the other hand, brainstorming after Bedester goes would probably give us more information to work off of. Team leader?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Since the venerable one is up, there's no harm in giving him something to think about by brainstorming. He's old, but I think his domestic advisors read to him while feeding him. I'll shortly be away for at least three hours or until tomorrow.

 

[MeteorPunch]

forgive the double post, but the more I look at the map screenies, the more I'm convinced the big bulb will have no utility in this game.

Yeah, I think survival will be more important for awhile. 300 shields will be better spent towards expansion and military.

 

[soul_warrior]

philo does seem to have hit the wall.
i think that like AK said, stop thinking like we are used to.
we WILL get visits SOON. my guess is in the next 15-20 or so. seeing that shaka has writing and will head for maps, i thnk this ETA is acceptable.
so lets calculate on 10 turns.
that will give us time to squueze out another settler and some defenders (and i mean a mix of bow-spears)
after that - my guess is a s good as any.
i say start holing up in 10-15, advancing slowing with as much covering fire as possible.
i may be over caucious, though.