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I wonder how many times you have to go to church before you qualify for your very own miracle? Are you alerted in the mail?
Sharp drop in the number of miracles
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Marlos
Christian Soldier
Birdjaguar said:
God has told us that no one will know the hour of his coming. When I hear someone, anyone, say that they have knowledge of this, it must be a false prophecy. There were many that believed that Christ would return at the millenial celebrations 4+ years ago. Not surprisingly, there were similar thoughts at the turn of the last century.
The fact that the founder of JW (or any other cult) could not foresee Christ's return is no real surprise. As Christians, we are warned to beware of false prophets.
Marlos
Christian Soldier
Aphex_Twin said:
Could you explain what you mean?
newfangle
hates you.
Marlos said:
What he means is that if God only reveals himself to people that already believe in him, why the heck is he performing miracles for the believers? Why not try to convince non-believers?
Oh yeah, I forget. Religion has the way of circumventing every possible attempt at shedding light on the truth.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
newfangle said:
A perk for believing?
newfangle
hates you.
I see you still have some kinks that need to be ironed out. 
newfangle
hates you.
I understood religion perfectly well when I was 6. I bought into it.
And then I realized that if I actually started to *gasp* think, I realized that faith was the easy way out. An escape for those that wish to evade reality.
Too complex? Yep. The truth certainly is complex. And religion stands as a gross oversimplification in order to appeal to the layman.
And then I realized that if I actually started to *gasp* think, I realized that faith was the easy way out. An escape for those that wish to evade reality.
Too complex? Yep. The truth certainly is complex. And religion stands as a gross oversimplification in order to appeal to the layman.
Marlos
Christian Soldier
stormbind said:
newfangle said:
God has made the truth so simple that it confounds the wisdom of man [1Cor 1:18ff]. If man were to design a plan for salvation, it would have to be complex because it would have to appeal to his vanity. But God, in his infinite wisdom, has made the truth easy enough for all to grasp. Yet, it is rejected despite its perfect simplicity.
And faith, newfangle, is certainly not a cop out. If faith were not required by God, then He would be forcing us to believe. And then what would the point of our existence be?
newfangle
hates you.
Honestly I have no idea what you just wrote. I only read dogma, dogma, dogma.
Mauer
Pompous Noble
dogma-
1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church
2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively put forth, as by a church
3. prescribed doctrine
4. an established belief or principle
Well, in that sense your are correct newfangle. Mind you understand that this is not my church or his. The church belongs to Christ.
1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church
2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively put forth, as by a church
3. prescribed doctrine
4. an established belief or principle
Well, in that sense your are correct newfangle. Mind you understand that this is not my church or his. The church belongs to Christ.
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
God must be a politician.
If something good happens, it is "God's work" or a miracle.
If something bad happens, it is the "other guy's work" (devil/free will, etc.).
If something good happens, it is "God's work" or a miracle.
If something bad happens, it is the "other guy's work" (devil/free will, etc.).
Marlos
Christian Soldier
And how is it that you expect a Christian to answer you, newfangle?
Crimso
...aaaaaagh!
Man, this is what I tried to get started in the other thread.
I would ask for an example, and then it could be explained through science, but you would call it God, and around and around we'd go.
One suggestion to the Christains: don't quote scripture. It's proving theory with theory.
To the non-Christains: don't try to convince them that they're wrong. Not until we can isolate the chemicals in their brains that give them faith and conviction, synthesize/extract it, and inject it into an atheist.
Also, I still want to know the answer to the question I asked here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=101275&page=4&pp=20
I would ask for an example, and then it could be explained through science, but you would call it God, and around and around we'd go.
One suggestion to the Christains: don't quote scripture. It's proving theory with theory.
To the non-Christains: don't try to convince them that they're wrong. Not until we can isolate the chemicals in their brains that give them faith and conviction, synthesize/extract it, and inject it into an atheist.
Also, I still want to know the answer to the question I asked here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=101275&page=4&pp=20
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Bamspeedy said:
Nah - God isn't a politician.
The prophets were top-notch at the political game, though. Absolute masters of scare tactics ("Oh, sure, you COULD go and play on Sabbath...if you want the Babylonians to conquer us!"), among other things.
The notion of God just happened to be a convenient figurehead for their politicking.
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Marlos said:
Perhaps he wants a more thoughtful answer than the usual "GOD IS GREAT AND REAL AND LOVELY AND IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE AND YOU'RE STUPID FOR NOT THINKING SO, SO THERE". That gets rather frustrating. Can you not do better than 'you don't agree therefore you're thick'? That brings you down to the level of timecubeism.
Masquerouge
Deity
Crimso said:
Glad you said it before me ! To add my piece to the debate : in order to be sanctified, a person must have performed miracles in his/her lifes, I think at least 3, but I may be wrong on that number.
Given that there are still quite a lot of people currently being sanctified, I'm not so sure miracles are in short supply, in the eye of the Church at least.
WickedSmurf
pr0
Bamspeedy said:
Excellent point!
And maybe the drop in miracles is due to the rise of science?
Sweeney Todd
Warlord
Somebody give me proof of a miracle.
I want to warn all non-believers:
Christians already proved that they do not even spare their own kind in holy Crusades. Any non-believer trying to make fun of believers here should be aware that I might sent him to hell way before his time. I think I should add a smiley...
Is it ridiculous how often atheists must prove those who believe in god that they are wrong. If you are so sure about your opinion, why do you some of them have more holy fervor than any christian hardcore missionary ever????
Christians already proved that they do not even spare their own kind in holy Crusades. Any non-believer trying to make fun of believers here should be aware that I might sent him to hell way before his time. I think I should add a smiley...
Is it ridiculous how often atheists must prove those who believe in god that they are wrong. If you are so sure about your opinion, why do you some of them have more holy fervor than any christian hardcore missionary ever????
