SheepNES: The Dragon is Awake: MAIN THREAD

[Justo]

Wait English Protestants attacking French Huguenots? To help the eternal enemy? Whut?!

OOC: I didn't say who I would help. I just said I would restore order.

IC: To: France
From: England

We are not the French police force. If the revolts do spread to our lands we will use whatever means necessary to ensure that our lands are secure. Even if this means taking control of further lands.

 

[sp1023]

To Emperor Suleiman II:
From Emperor Tahmasp II:

Will you honor the agreements made by your predecessor?

 

[Sheep]

i will take the empire of Lunda. what color are they and is there anything i should know about them before i send orders?

Pink tan colour near the Lake which I persume is RL Lake Victoria. and unless you are after a lenghty and boring patch to begin with they are not really worth it, I suggest you join Vjay or Ayyu or even Yemen or an Italian nation to get the full nesing experience.

 

[sp1023]

No, don't join as Yemen.

I really don't want you to join as Yemen.

Just don't join as Yemen.

 

[silver 2039]

We need more players in Asia. I recommend Ayyuthya.

 

[Birdjaguar]

We need more players in Asia. I recommend Ayyuthya.

Seconded by Japan

 

[sp1023]

Ayyutha or Vijayanagara are good. Just don't join as Yemen.

 

[dldnjstjr]

To: Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, China, Japan, Chosun, and Ottoman
From: Sweden

We would like to open up a trade agreement allowing both our merchants to trade in our lands.

 

[binyo66]

to Emperor China of Ming
From Kingdom Of Fez, can u make a statement about my post #539

To Otoman
From Kingdom of Fez
We are a good neighbour so far, and to strengthen our relation, I would like to propose you a trade and student exchange.

@sheep how is aligeir for my request

 

[fantasmo]

From: His Imperial Majesty Ferdinand I Hapsburg, Holy Roman Emperor, King of the Romans and the Germans, King of Bohemia, Archduke of Austria and Lord Protector of Venice
To: Francis I Valois, King of France, Maximilian I Hapsburg, Duke of Burgundy, King Charles I Hapsburg, King of Castille, Aragon, Granada and All Spain and Henri II d'Albret, King of Navarre and the Basques

This war has cost enough life. Let us not forget that we are all family. (OOC: Assuming, of course, that Francis still married Eleanor of Austria) Let us sign a peace. Austria suggests the following terms:

• Spain withdraws from French territory, and the French reciprocate.
• The Kingdom of Navarre is declared Vassal to the King of France.
• The Duchy of Burgundy is recognised as Vassal to the Archduke of Austria.
• The Hapsburgs relinquish all claims to the Low Countries.
• An alliance is signed between the states of Austria, France and Spain.
• Burgundy is treated as a Hapsburg Principality, to be inherited by the heir of the Austrian Branch as each Duke of Burgundy becomes Archduke of Austria. (OOC: Like the Prince of Wales, but independent)
• Navarre will be compelled to accept Henri II Valois as heir to their throne, and will, following the death of the current king, be treated in the same manner as Burgundy.
• France, Spain and Austria condem the Portuguese invasion of Spanish colonies, and enact an embargo on all Portuguese merchants.
• Spain and Austria pledge assistance to the Catholic Kings of France in restoring order and ending the Protestant riots.

Austria is, of course, willing to negotiate these measures, but a treaty ending the war is of the utmost urgency and importance, and under this treaty, no ruler loses land they do not currently have. There are more important threats to Europe than our fellow Catholic monarchs.

OOC: As a side-note for historical reference, particularly directed at Sheep, Henri II only has one child at this point in time, who happens to be female. It would not be that unusual for three of Europe's stronger nations, and in particular, the two neighbours of Navarre, to compel that state to accept certain conditions on succession, particularly if Henry II of France is married off to Joanna of Navarre.

 

[Birdjaguar]

To: Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, China, Japan, Chosun, and Ottoman
From: Sweden

We would like to open up a trade agreement allowing both our merchants to trade in our lands.

Sheep, does Japan even know Sweden exits?

 

[silver 2039]

I want to point out that Sweden has to pass through India to get to China, Japan, or Korea, so pretending I don't exist won't ensure the safety of the merchant vessels.

 

[LightFang]

Quoted from previous page as I would still like a response from Sweden and Denmark.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=196166&d=1228371042

Russia would like to propose the following:

1. Sweden, Denmark, and Russia will agree to trade along the Baltic Sea. Russia will trade lumber and especially wheat and other foodstuffs for Swedish and Danish fish and cloth.

2. The area around Ingria will be open for trade to all Swedish, Danish, and Russian merchants.

3. Russia will limit its Baltic Sea fleet to no more than 8 squadrons of warships and will recognize the prerogatives of Sweden and Denmark in Baltic matters.

4. A royal marriage will be arranged for between the Danish and Russian royal houses.

5. The Karelian peninsula and the area of Ingermanland will be divided between the countries according to the following map.

OOC: Not sure at all how the two of you want to divide it, so I only put down where I felt the Russian border should be.

Denmark feels that this offer is acceptable. We however would point out that we lose the most land in this agreement (compared to what we've already conquered). If we can accept this, so can Sweden.

To NATO (Sweden, England, Scotland...)
From Spain
We formally request to become a part of your most beneficial pact. If you aid us, we shall aid you, and all will be fruitful and prosperous in the new world.

Norway feels no reason to deny Spain inclusion into this pact. Furthermore, Norway wishes to sign some sort of trade agreement with Spain.

From: King of Scotland
To: Poland, Norway, Sweden and all other Colonial Powers
Re: Colonial Trade

I would like to sign with you some official legislation/trade agreement to allow better access between colonial markets, my ships can bring you the necessary laborers to cultivate the your new lands and then leave full of the local product, such an arrangement should bring much wealth in all our pockets.

We agree. Open the markets.

 

[Sheep]

The Kingdom of Navarre-Basques does not accept the terms of this treaty having already secured friendship from Spain we are willing to fight if forces to accept France as our overlords once more.

 

[Arian]

to Emperor China of Ming
From Kingdom Of Fez, can u make a statement about my post #539

OOC: sorry Biny, I missed that post

To: Kingdom of Fez
From: The Empire of the Great Ming

About the student exchange:
At the moment the University of Nanking already has students from 5 different nations. Although the University certainly has room for more students we have decided that this is enough for now.

About the trade pact:
We look at your overseas expansion in South America with suspicion. Therefore a trade pact can wait for now.

 

[silver 2039]

From: His Imperial Majesty Ferdinand I Hapsburg, Holy Roman Emperor, King of the Romans and the Germans, King of Bohemia, Archduke of Austria and Lord Protector of Venice
To: Francis I Valois, King of France, Maximilian I Hapsburg, Duke of Burgundy, King Charles I Hapsburg, King of Castille, Aragon, Granada and All Spain and Henri II d'Albret, King of Navarre and the Basques

This war has cost enough life. Let us not forget that we are all family. (OOC: Assuming, of course, that Francis still married Eleanor of Austria) Let us sign a peace. Austria suggests the following terms:

• Spain withdraws from French territory, and the French reciprocate.
• The Kingdom of Navarre is declared Vassal to the King of France.
• The Duchy of Burgundy is recognised as Vassal to the Archduke of Austria.
• The Hapsburgs relinquish all claims to the Low Countries.
• An alliance is signed between the states of Austria, France and Spain.
• Burgundy is treated as a Hapsburg Principality, to be inherited by the heir of the Austrian Branch as each Duke of Burgundy becomes Archduke of Austria. (OOC: Like the Prince of Wales, but independent)
• Navarre will be compelled to accept Henri II Valois as heir to their throne, and will, following the death of the current king, be treated in the same manner as Burgundy.
• France, Spain and Austria condem the Portuguese invasion of Spanish colonies, and enact an embargo on all Portuguese merchants.
• Spain and Austria pledge assistance to the Catholic Kings of France in restoring order and ending the Protestant riots.

Austria is, of course, willing to negotiate these measures, but a treaty ending the war is of the utmost urgency and importance, and under this treaty, no ruler loses land they do not currently have. There are more important threats to Europe than our fellow Catholic monarchs.

OOC: As a side-note for historical reference, particularly directed at Sheep, Henri II only has one child at this point in time, who happens to be female. It would not be that unusual for three of Europe's stronger nations, and in particular, the two neighbours of Navarre, to compel that state to accept certain conditions on succession, particularly if Henry II of France is married off to Joanna of Navarre.

To Ming Empire, Japan
From Mughal Empire

Case in point my friends

To Ming Empire, Japan
From Mughal Empire

There is a parable popular among the Hindu's here.

There are two stoats by a river they have just caught a fish and are quarreling over how it shall be divided. A fox comes along and offers to solve their dispute. He first cuts the head off the fish and gives it to one stoat, and he then cuts the tail off the fish and gives it to another stoat. Then he runs away with the middle of the fish taking the choicest parts of it for himself.

The moral of the story is that when two brother's fight the winner will be the third party. While the Hindu's are infidel they are a wise and ancient people and we would all do well to follow their wisdom.

 

[Masada]

The Confederacy wishes to point out that any quarrel with China is a quarrel with the Confederacy.

There is a parable here, which tells of land which belonged to a young man, that young man went to war, and when he came back his land was under claim by another. Of course being wise to the ways of the world, he immediately killed the thief, for taking from someone, despite an inability to enforce their own claim is theft. Nobody would gainsay him his right to do so, for to take land from one, when one is elsewhere is to set a bad precedent. One that all must resist.

We therefore deny the rights of the Mughals to act as "arbiters" for what is there to arbitrate over? It is a simple matter of theft by the Emperor of Japan, making an opportunistic grab because of the misfortunes of others. Land is not linked to the people who walk it, or do not walk it, for if that were so and you were to leave your home for just a moment others could walk in and claim it.

The Confederacy gives its full support to the Ming Empire in this situation, there is no need to compromise, for what is a matter of simple theft.

 

[Stormbringer]

Denmark feels that this offer is acceptable. We however would point out that we lose the most land in this agreement (compared to what we've already conquered). If we can accept this, so can Sweden.

Russia thanks Denmark for its wise choice and cooperation. We hope now that the rulers of Sweden agree to the same and we can look forward to peace and security on the Baltic.

 

[silver 2039]

The Confederacy wishes to point out that any quarrel with China is a quarrel with the Confederacy.

There is a parable here, which tells of land which belonged to a young man, that young man went to war, and when he came back his land was under claim by another. Of course being wise to the ways of the world, he immediately killed the thief, for taking from someone, despite an inability to enforce their own claim is theft. Nobody would gainsay him his right to do so, for to take land from one, when one is elsewhere is to set a bad precedent. One that all must resist.

We therefore deny the rights of the Mughals to act as "arbiters" for what is there to arbitrate over? It is a simple matter of theft by the Emperor of Japan, making an opportunistic grab because of the misfortunes of others. Land is not linked to the people who walk it, or do not walk it, for if that were so and you were to leave your home for just a moment others could walk in and claim it.

The Confederacy gives its full support to the Ming Empire in this situation, there is no need to compromise, for what is a matter of simple theft.

The Mughal Empire is not arbitrating, we are merely urging a restraint from war and careful consideration before action is taken. A barbarian nation such as yours of course would not be expected to understand the value of careful thought over rash action. After all you barbarians do not benefit from peace as we civilized empire's do. Your brash decelerations are those one might expect from a simpleton.

We build the cities, the roads, the great trading caravans and vessels. We know that war will wreck all of these. What do you know? What have you built? What will this war cost you? The Maori Confederacy would do well to wait until it has become older, wiser, and more civilized before it decides to comment on matters better left to its superior's.

 

[Sheep]

72 hours until Deadline

To Austria
From The Most Serene Republic

Will you accept a treaty that would allow us to maintain control of what we have now. We will drop all claims on Venice.

To Spain
From the Most Serene Republic

We will no longer attack you and sign a peace treaty as is if you will allow us to do so.

To France
From the Most Serene Republic

We can no longer aid you in the fight. Sorry my brother.

To Sardinia
From the Most Serene Republic

We shall recongise your indpendence.