Shock, well not so much shock as disgust, as Palestinains break cease fire again!

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz
I did not say the state of Israel!
But some ISraeli have done crime aganist palistines

@bender
Ok Bender what are you trying to convice me?
What do you want be to belive?

That there are too many in this world who would like to see Israel driven to the sea, and it's 6 million inhabitants slaughtered. I argue simply to prevent as many people out there to turn to that side. I know Israel isn't perfect (not like the USA, of course ) but if I chose to agree with the other side, I feel I would be agreeing with someone who would want me dead as well.

The argument isn't over which side is right or wrong, it's whether the Jewish race should survive or not. In the end, I wholeheartedly feel that it should, for that would mean the extermination of me. If not me, then 5 million of my people.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by mazzz
no, not at all, im saying that one law is just unfair to some people... and a lot of Israeli human rights groups agree

There are groups that don't like it, but since they don't offer any alternative their claims are empty. And every law is unfair to some people. Laws against thievery force poor people to work very hard instead of taking stuff from other people. Do you suppose we should allow people to steal then?

 

[mazzz]

Im not saying that the Jews should not have a state.. once again
I accept the state of Israel

Its not Muslim vs Jew
Its just human rights vialations on the palistines by the Israeli army
it has nothing to do with religion!

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Fëanor
Arafat dinstanced himself from the PLO and terrorism long ago , and israel blames him also for what Hezbollah and Hamas do anyway.... and saddam used allso to reward the families of suicide bombers , that does not mean that he controls them , im sure those lebanese that killed the palestinias were too sposored and aided by israel

and what do you expect from the palestinians an outcry? these people have been suffering for the last 50 years.

both sided in this conflict have innocent blood on their hands.

How do you explain the documents signed by Arafat approving funding for suicide belts?
And what I expect from the Palestinians is to stop fighting and to take the country they were offered three years ago.

And from you, BTW, I'm still awaiting an apology.

 

[mazzz]

but laws againt stealing have nothing to do about where your from

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by Fëanor


Arafat dinstanced himself from the PLO and terrorism long ago , and israel blames him also for what Hezbollah and Hamas do anyway.... and saddam used allso to reward the families of suicide bombers , that does not mean that he controls them , im sure those lebanese that killed the palestinias were too sposored and aided by israel

So? It encourages more terror by offering money. More people would blow themselves up if they knew their familiy were to get a reward.

and what do you expect from the palestinians an outcry? these people have been suffering for the last 50 years.

As you say, that doesn't excuse suicide bombings. You think Israelis have been living in paradise? It seems every decade the Arabs invade again. It would be much better if the two could live in peace, believe me.

both sided in this conflict have innocent blood on their hands.

I never disagreed with you here. They both do. The Palestinians don't seem to care about that though, and that's what worries me. Most Israelis condemn attacks against Palestinians. i wish it was the same the other way around.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by mazzz
Im not saying that the Jews should not have a state.. once again
I accept the state of Israel

Its not Muslim vs Jew
Its just human rights vialations on the palistines by the Israeli army
it has nothing to do with religion!

Ever heard about a war that didn't have human rights violations? Not to mention that according to international law these violations are the responsibility of the Palestinians, as they started an illigal guerilla war.

 

[mazzz]

ok, you guys can keep crying, demaning apolgies and saying no no it cant be, it not true there anti-semtic

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by mazzz
but laws againt stealing have nothing to do about where your from

Yes they do. If you're born in a poor nehibourhood or a rich one matters a lot.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by mazzz
ok, you guys can keep crying, demaning apolgies and saying no no it cant be, it not true there anti-semtic

Where have we called anything anti semetic?

 

[Pongui]

Originally posted by Fëanor
and what do you expect from the palestinians an outcry? these people have been suffering for the last 50 years.

both sided in this conflict have innocent blood on their hands.

And neither side wants to listen to you, Fëanor. It's just too difficult, in their minds.

Fight on, folks!

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz
Im not saying that the Jews should not have a state.. once again
I accept the state of Israel

Oy! You may very well, and I trust your intent...and I thank you for that, however most who are on your side don't agree with you. They want Israel smashed, and I cannot ever be on the side of someone like that...ever.

 

[mazzz]

Originally posted by G-Man
they started an illigal guerilla war.

who started it people who used to live on the land? but then were driven out to refuge camps?

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by mazzz
who started it people who used to live on the land? but then were driven out to refuge camps?

No, it was started by fanatics who want to kill every jew in Israel. And it was started by the same leadership that was offered a country and rejected it.

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by Sean Lindstrom


And neither side wants to listen to you, Fëanor. It's just too difficult, in their minds.

Fight on, folks!

I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Is this sarcasm? Who's minds?

 

[mazzz]

@Sean since when do u represent CFF?

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Sean Lindstrom
And neither side wants to listen to you, Fëanor. It's just too difficult, in their minds.

Fight on, folks!

No one forces you to be in this debate, Sean, but unless you have something to say regarding it please don't just try to stop it.

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz


who started it people who used to live on the land? but then were driven out to refuge camps?

The advancing Arab armies drove them out, not the Jews. Do some more research, little fellow.

And even though they are in refugee camps, that doesnt mean they had to resort to violence. Ghandi never resorted to violence, and he was more successful, same with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[mazzz]

Originally posted by G-Man


No one forces you to be in this debate, Sean, but unless you have something to say regarding it please don't just try to stop it.

I agree with G-man

 

[IceBlaZe]

Arafat dinstanced himself from the PLO

That's impossible, still he is still active as the head of that terror organization.