Shock, well not so much shock as disgust, as Palestinains break cease fire again!

[mazzz]

Originally posted by Benderino


The advancing Arab armies drove them out, not the Jews. Do some more research, little fellow.

And even though they are in refugee camps, that doesnt mean they had to resort to violence. Ghandi never resorted to violence, and he was more successful, same with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Israel is not depandent of Palistinians like Britan was to Indian biz to occupy India and The bus company was for Blacks

 

[mazzz]

Originally posted by IceBlaZe


That's impossible, still he is still active as the head of that terror organization.

And where do u get ur from from Mossad?

 

[Fëanor]

Originally posted by Benderino
I never disagreed with you here. They both do. The Palestinians don't seem to care about that though, and that's what worries me. Most Israelis condemn attacks against Palestinians. i wish it was the same the other way around.

they dont care? do you think palestinians like to see their families die in this conflict? and im not talking about the suicide bombers , im talking about the children , and all the other civilians. and statics show that more than twice as many palestinian civlians die than israelis. most of the people involved in this conflic want peace , except the ones with power.

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz


Israel is not depandent of Palistinians like Britan was to Indian biz to occupy India and The bus company was for Blacks

So? You're acting very narrow minded today. The point is that these two great men achieved their goals of freedom while being oppressed through nonviolent ways. Why can't the Palestinians try that? Are they inherently more violent than Indians or African Americans?

 

[mazzz]

they have, it was before the 2000 uprising...

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by Fëanor


they dont care? do you think palestinians like to see their families die in this conflict? and im not talking about the suicide bombers , im talking about the children , and all the other civilians. and statics show that more than twice as many palestinian civlians die than israelis. most of the people involved in this conflic want peace , except the ones with power.

No, I meant that the Palestinians don't care when a Palestinian murders an israeli, yet most Israelis care when an Israeli murders a Palestinian.

Who's to judge a civilian. Is the man beligerenly throwing rocks at soldiers a civilian? Or the other man with the gun under his cloak? In a guerilla war (which the palestinians started), it's hard to distinguish from a civilian and a militant.

You'll also notice that when ten men die, the Palestinians will say that ony one of them was a militant, the others were innocents, while the israelis claim that only one was innocent, and 9 were militants. i don't know who to believe, but tell me, why have you sided with the palestinian viewpoint, when its their word against the Israelis?

 

[nivi]

Originally posted by Fëanor


they dont care? do you think palestinians like to see their families die in this conflict? and im not talking about the suicide bombers , im talking about the children , and all the other civilians. and statics show that more than twice as many palestinian civlians die than israelis. most of the people involved in this conflic want peace , except the ones with power.

Civilians right, but inocent(sp)?

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz
they have, it was before the 2000 uprising...

What are you talking about? You're just speaking for the sake of it now, aren't you?

 

[phoenix_night]

Originally posted by Benderino


So? You're acting very narrow minded today. The point is that these two great men achieved their goals of freedom while being oppressed through nonviolent ways. Why can't the Palestinians try that? Are they inherently more violent than Indians or African Americans?

Why should they have to try that? If you oppress somebody, you can hardly expect a great diplomatic relationship. There's a far easier way to stop the violence than simly shooting back.

But I find the attitudes of some posters on here a little concerning. The way anything that doesn't favour Israel is considered "anti-Israeli" and so not a valid source. Well, has it occured to you there may be a reason why so much of the world views Israel in such a way? Or a reason why so many articles criticise Israel? And then, when I see a source agreeing with Israel, it is obviously far more reliable than any other source could possibly be. And no, don't mention for one second that it's biased towards Israel, it's simply correct. Of course. And then I learn of this moral high ground Israel possesses. What? How do you come to this conclusion?

Nobody can argue against such inane logic when backed up these baseless allegations, or 'facts', as I'm told they are.

 

[IceBlaZe]

And where do u get ur from from Mossad?

No, from the PLO itself.
Arafat was elected as head chairman in 1969 and has still not resigned from duty on the PLO. You can still see the PLO symbols in his outfit. Any source about the PLO will mention Arafat as it's head chairman. It's not a secrete.
Why do you have to argue about things you don't have a clue about?
You can at least ask, or do a search, before showing everyone you know nothing of the PLO. It does no good to the way you are representing your stance.

 

[mazzz]

Well if you guys are going to demand apolygies and call people trolls i really dont see what the thread can accomplish

 

[Fëanor]

Originally posted by Benderino


The argument isn't over which side is right or wrong, it's whether the Jewish race should survive or not. In the end, I wholeheartedly feel that it should, for that would mean the extermination of me. If not me, then 5 million of my people.

most of the "jewish race" , as you call it , does not live in israel.

the largest Jewish community is of 6.6 million Jews living in the United States. The second largest group is 6.1 Jews living in Israel. The third largest Jewish community is 600,000 Jews living in France. The fourth largest Jewish community is of 400,000 Jews living in Russia

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by phoenix_night


Why should they have to try that? If you oppress somebody, you can hardly expect a great diplomatic relationship. There's a far easier way to stop the violence than simly shooting back.

But I find the attitudes of some posters on here a little concerning. The way anything that doesn't favour Israel is considered "anti-Israeli" and so not a valid source. Well, has it occured to you there may be a reason why so much of the world views Israel in such a way? Or a reason why so many articles criticise Israel? And then, when I see a source agreeing with Israel, it is obviously far more reliable than any other source could possibly be. And no, don't mention for one second that it's biased towards Israel, it's simply correct. Of course. And then I learn of this moral high ground Israel possesses, what? How do you come to this conclusion.

Nobody can argue against such inane logic when backed up these baseless allegations, or 'facts', as I'm told they are.

Ask any of the posters here, and they will all agree with me. They live in Israel, you are right. Who am I to represent them. They see this first hand. They will tell you far beter than I ever could.

I still don't see why my logic is "inane". Haven't we shown you enough evidence? What more do you want?

 

[mazzz]

I know Arafar is head of the PLO, but he condems terror

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by Fëanor


most of the "jewish race" , as you call it , does not live in israel.

Oh, because losing half of the race is 'ok' ?

 

[mazzz]

your evidence comes from site that are pro Israel
so by your logic we should reject them from they must be "anti-palistinian" Sound silly doesnt it...

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz
I know Arafar is head of the PLO, but he condems terror

actions speak louder than words. COncemnations mean nothing when he lets terrorists out of jails and pays their families money for killing Israelis.

 

[Benderino]

Originally posted by mazzz
your evidence comes from site that are pro Israel
so by your logic we should reject them from they must be "anti-palistinian" Sound silly doesnt it...

We've listed several, non-biased sites. Which one are you referring to?

 

[mazzz]

Originally posted by Benderino


Oh, because losing half of the race is 'ok' ?

He never said that losing half of a race is ok...
Your puting words in his mouth

 

[phoenix_night]

Originally posted by Benderino
Ask any of the posters here, and they will all agree with me. They live in Israel, you are right. Who am I to represent them. They see this first hand. They will tell you far beter than I ever could.

Yes, they live in Israel, that seems to be the problem.

Originally posted by Benderino
I still don't see why my logic is "inane". Haven't we shown you enough evidence? What more do you want?

Without this inane logic, I fail to see how you view Israel in the way you so clearly do. You have revealed you believe Israel to be right, while the Palestinians are wrong. That Israel is so clearly with the moral high ground. How else could you come to such a simple, black and white, conclusion?

Only with this inane logic (or of course, Israeli citizensip/heritage).